Re: [DNG] repackaging tutorial

[Dragan FOSS]

On 01/09/2018 01:43 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

Are there instructions somewhere for taking apart a Debian package, making 
changes,
and building a Devuan package?


apt install debian-handbook

Cheers and HNY to all :)
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Re: [DNG] systemd'oh! DNS lib underscore bug bites everyone's favorite init tool, blanks Netflix

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/24/2017 11:37 PM, Ozi Traveller wrote:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/24/underscore_domain_name_bug/

Oops!
Actually (and TBH..), this is a bug in libidn2, which isn't in systemd 
source tree...at least for now ;>


*
[dragan@trios-eudev][/media/dragan/TRIOS/LIBSYSD/ORIG-SOURCE/UP-GIT/systemd]$ 
grep -R libidn2

meson.build:want_libidn2 = get_option('libidn2')
meson.build:if want_libidn == 'true' and want_libidn2 == 'true'
meson.build:error('libidn and libidn2 cannot be requested 
simultaneously')

meson.build:if want_libidn != 'false' and want_libidn2 != 'true'
meson.build:if not conf.get('HAVE_LIBIDN', false) and want_libidn2 != 
'false'

meson.build:# libidn is used for both libidn and libidn2 objects
meson.build:libidn = dependency('libidn2',
meson.build:required : want_libidn2 == 'true')
meson.build:['libidn2'],
NEWS:* systemd-resolved may now optionally use libidn2 instead 
of the libidn
NEWS:  for processing internationalized domain names. Support 
for libidn2

README:libidn2 or libidn (optional)
mkosi.default:libidn2-devel
mkosi.default:libidn2
.mkosi/mkosi.fedora:libidn2-devel
.mkosi/mkosi.fedora:libidn2
.mkosi/mkosi.debian:libidn2-0-dev
.mkosi/mkosi.debian:libidn2-0
[dragan@trios-eudev][/media/dragan/TRIOS/LIBSYSD/ORIG-SOURCE/UP-GIT/systemd]$ 


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Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/23/2017 12:57 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:

And, as this thread goes, you're not going to run a bloated DE on such an
underpowered machine, are you?


Traditional Amish buggy is undoubtedly efficient and usable 
transportation...for some people ;>


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Traditional_Amish_buggy.jpg
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Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/21/2017 09:02 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:

 Cinnamon 3.0.x (only amd64)


I think it's best to drop 32-bit support at all... it's such a waste of 
time and resources.

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Dragan FOSS]

Devuandom


Welcome To The Pleasuredome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrnvPCSP6Q8
;>




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Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/16/2017 09:34 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:

This thread has gotten ridiculously off-topic


Smart people can choose to be smart or stupid, as it suits them better. 
The stupid have no choice... ;>

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Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/15/2017 12:47 AM, Rick Moen wrote:

Dylan fan, Hendrix fan, BSG fan, or all three?


I wonder, I wonder... ;>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUq_T_Bhau8
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Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/14/2017 07:17 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

philosopher


NoI'm just a little grain of sand, on the Third Stone from the Sun :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7uJk0cb7Nw
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Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/14/2017 01:38 AM, Rick Moen wrote:

I really do strongly recommend all of the above guidelines.


All in all, all of the above guidelines can be defined in one line:

"Don't f*ck with admins, we have root privileges.." :D
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Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/12/2017 07:18 AM, Brad Campbell wrote:

Did I miss something


Yes.. ;)
When I wrote "recommends", and your interpretation of this word is 
"mandating", I have no choice but to think that your reading system is, 
to put it mildly, funny :)


Cheers,
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Re: [DNG] What is GNU/Linux?

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/12/2017 12:12 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:

remote ads in etc/motd


rm /etc/update-motd.d/*

:)
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Re: [DNG] What is GNU/Linux?

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/11/2017 11:38 PM, Svante Signell wrote:


lendows (tm)


Not alone.. :)
http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-windows-10-loves-ubuntu-516922.shtml
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Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/11/2017 09:11 PM, Joachim Fahrner wrote:


And what recommends Postgresql for BSD systems? "Don't install it"?

Free unix software should run on ANY unix system, not only Poetteringware.


I never tried on BSD, but on UNIX Pg runs fine :)

https://www.postgresql.org/download/solaris/

Btw...Linux Is Not UniX ;)
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Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/11/2017 05:28 PM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:

make it crystal clear: fuck off the
upstream.


Do you want to say that devuan users do not need any upstream that 
recommends systemd?

For example, Postgresql?
***
With PostgreSQL 9.6 or newer, it is recommended to build with 
--with-systemd and use the unit file shown in the documentation...

***
https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Systemd
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Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Dragan FOSS]

On 17.06.2017. 17:26, Steve Litt wrote:


Are you nuts ?


There are rumors, but there is no official evidence :)


excusing the Gnome project for the
*horrible design decisions* they've made.


If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't impose your *design* 
opinions on others and what they should or should not to use ...as 
simple as that :)

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Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Dragan FOSS]

On 17.06.2017. 19:46, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:


The only interesting information would be: "Is it possible to install and run Gnome 
without having installed systemd ?"


Of course it is possible...TRIOS is proof of concept for that.
the only part that does not work(although it must be installed because 
of dependency) is gdm(logind)


https://foss.rs/threads/trios-gnome3.5002/#post-63826
http://mirror.org.rs/trios/mia/pool/main/g/gnome-session/

And not only G3, but also all other desktop environments...Cinnamon, 
Mate, KDE etc


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Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Dragan FOSS]

On 17.06.2017. 02:39, Bruce Perens wrote:

I don't see any problem with a generic interface to the things that
libsystemd does , if one could be arrived at, or if the current API is
sufficiently generic.



I don't see any purpose that *any* package has a libsystemd dependency 
in distribution with systemd removed?

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Re: [DNG] package listing

[Dragan FOSS]

On 17.06.2017. 00:46, Hendrik Boom wrote:

I'm often iterested in the packages that are in the repos I have *not* specified
in sources.list


Maybe rmadison (devscripts) would help you?

For example:

-
[dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ rmadison -u ubuntu -a amd64 libsystemd0
 libsystemd0 | 219-7ubuntu3  | vivid   | amd64
 libsystemd0 | 219-7ubuntu6  | vivid-updates   | amd64
 libsystemd0 | 229-4ubuntu4  | xenial  | amd64
 libsystemd0 | 229-4ubuntu10 | xenial-security | amd64
 libsystemd0 | 229-4ubuntu17 | xenial-updates  | amd64
 libsystemd0 | 231-9git1 | yakkety | amd64
 libsystemd0 | 231-9ubuntu4  | yakkety-updates | amd64
 libsystemd0 | 232-21ubuntu2 | zesty   | amd64
 libsystemd0 | 232-21ubuntu3 | zesty-updates   | amd64
 libsystemd0 | 232-21ubuntu4 | zesty-proposed  | amd64
 libsystemd0 | 233-6ubuntu3  | artful  | amd64

---

Cheers,
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Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Dragan FOSS]

On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote:


The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't prevent you from
installing and using OpenRC.



The presence of libsystemd0 means that devuan is not able to function 
without systemd.


Dragan
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Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

[Dragan FOSS]

On 04/11/2017 01:27 AM, aitor_czr wrote:

As i can see, lines like:


As I can see, your version needs one more patch :)

***
--- 
/media/dragan/TRIOS/TMP/Aitor/gvfs-master-64caae2fe2bdd1aeb2d65cdcdb326f170718eb2a/debian/control

+++ /media/dragan/TRIOS/TMP/Adam/gvfs-1.22.2/debian/control
@@ -41,7 +41,6 @@
libimobiledevice-dev (>= 1.1.5) [!hurd-any],
libplist-dev,
libudisks2-dev (>= 1.97) [linux-any],
-   libsystemd-login-dev (>= 44) [linux-any],
libgtk-3-dev
 Standards-Version: 3.9.6
 Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/gvfs
***

Cheers,
Dragan

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Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

[Dragan FOSS]

On 04/10/2017 01:19 PM, aitor_czr wrote:

I removed the dependency on *libsystemd0*:


gvfs (1.22.2-1.0nosystemd1) nosystemd; urgency=medium

  * Non-maintainer upload.
  * Cure systemd infestation.

 -- Adam Borowski   Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:28:04 +0100

http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/gvfs_1.22.2-1.0nosystemd1.debian.tar.xz
*


:)
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Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

[Dragan FOSS]

The purpose of libsystemd0 is to enable packages whose code has been
'enhanced' with spurious systemd depedencies to work on systemd-less
systems. That's absolutely not harmless.


So, why not remove it? ;>
TRIOS == excellence in simplicity :)

***
[dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie non-free contrib main
deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-backports non-free contrib main
deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib 
non-free

[dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/trios.list
deb http://mirror.org.rs/trios/mia/ mia main sysdfree zfs eudev
deb-src http://mirror.org.rs/trios/mia/ mia main sysdfree zfs eudev

[dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/trios.pref
Package: *
Pin: origin "mirror.org.rs"
Pin-Priority: 1001

Package: systemd
Pin: release *
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: systemd-shim
Pin: release *
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: systemd-sysv
Pin: release *
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: libsystemd0
Pin: release *
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: libsystemd0:i386
Pin: release *
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: libsystemd-dev
Pin: release *
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: packagekit
Pin: release *
Pin-Priority: -1


[dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ apt-cache policy libsystemd0
libsystemd0:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Package pin: 215-17+deb8u4
  Version table:
 215-17+deb8u4 -1
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
[dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$

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Re: [DNG] libsx-dev and libsx0 packages don't work

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/16/2016 04:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

Unfortunately, I can't find the source code anywhere.


ftp://ftp.ac-grenoble.fr/ge/Xlibraries/
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Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

[Dragan FOSS]

On 07/13/2016 09:20 PM, KatolaZ wrote:

That's why, although I appreciate efforts like yours and those of a
dozen more who have been experimenting with pinning (we have done that
as well, for months)


Can you explain what is the *essential difference* between

Pin-Priority: -1 for systemd packages
in /etc/apt/preferences

and
...
banpkgs: systemd,systemd-sysv
...
part of amprolla.conf ?

Thanks in advance :)

Dragan
https://foss.rs/threads/trios-mia-openrc-zfs.3057

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Re: [DNG] Debian 8 Jessie can be installed without systemd.

[Dragan FOSS]

On 05/31/2016 09:05 PM, fsmithred wrote:

I do know two ways to install debian jessie without ever installing systemd:

1) Install TRIOS
2)
3)

:)
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Re: [DNG] OpenRC

[Dragan FOSS]

On 05/26/2016 01:23 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

capability of respawning daemons that crash? OpenRC can't do that.


OpenRC *can* do that:

---
Automatic respawning crashed services
---

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC

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Re: [DNG] OpenRC

[Dragan FOSS]

On 05/24/2016 02:06 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote:

Is there a link to an instruction how to use (and setup) openrc
together with sysvinit?

I'd like to use openrc as a tool to administrate daemons and services
since i find it a lot more "logical" (easy?).



TRIOS Mia is fully functional Debian jessie-based distro with OpenRC, 
Eudev, Refind UEFI manager, ZFS support, systemd completely removed...


Desktop environments: Xfce, Gnome3, Mate, Cinnamon, Enlightenment, KDE, 
Lumina..


https://foss.rs/threads/trios-mia-openrc-zfs.3057

Enjoy :)

Dragan
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Re: [DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

[Dragan FOSS]

On 05/01/2016 10:20 PM, Daniel Reurich wrote:

I need this before migrating my wheezy
workstation to Devuan Jessie.  So it is urgently needed.



Network manager without systemd dependencies :)
http://mirror.org.rs/trios/mia/pool/main/n/

Cheers,
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Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

[Dragan FOSS]

On 12/30/2015 12:03 AM, Didier Kryn wrote:

Out of the description it seems to come out of a Devuan dream, both for
what it provides and for what it doesn't.


You can try, deb packages are there:
http://mirror.org.rs/lumina/

Source:
git clone https://github.com/pcbsd/lumina.git



briefly: light year behind xfce

Cheers,
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Re: [DNG] Devuan's goal: was Our friendly community

[Dragan FOSS]

On 12/21/2015 11:03 AM, John Hughes wrote:

At the moment things are all fucked up because there is no long term
alternative to the seat management part of systemd and few people seem
prepared to work on it.


Utterly false claim...systemd is responsible for broken things.
---
1) TRIOS

[dragan@trios][~/Desktop]$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Trios
Description:Trios GNU/Linux testing
Release:testing
Codename:   mia
[dragan@trios][~/Desktop]$ ck-list-sessions
Session2:
unix-user = '1000'
realname = 'Dragan'
seat = 'Seat1'
session-type = ''
active = TRUE
x11-display = ':0'
x11-display-device = '/dev/tty7'
display-device = ''
remote-host-name = ''
is-local = TRUE
on-since = ':33:30.645278Z'
login-session-id = '1'
[dragan@trios][~/Desktop]$

2) OpenIndiana

dragan@oi:~$ pkg info kernel
  Name: system/kernel
   Summary: Core Solaris Kernel
   Description: core kernel software for a specific instruction-set 
architecture

  Category: System/Core
 State: Installed
 Publisher: openindiana.org
   Version: 0.5.11
Branch: 2015.0.2.15268
Packaging Date: October  5, 2015 04:27:57 PM
  Size: 41.80 MB
  FMRI: 
pkg://openindiana.org/system/kernel@0.5.11-2015.0.2.15268:20151005T162757Z

dragan@oi:~$ ck-list-sessions
Session1:
unix-user = '101'
realname = 'Dragan'
seat = 'StaticSeat1'
session-type = ''
display-type = 'Local'
open = 'TRUE'
active = 'TRUE'
x11-display = ':0'
x11-display-device = '/dev/vt/2'
display-device = '   ?   '
remote-host-name = ''
is-local = 'TRUE'
on-since = 'x:36.874924Z'
login-session-id = ''
idle-since-hint = ''
--

So .. fuck the systemd :)
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Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

[Dragan FOSS]

On 12/20/2015 08:56 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

systemd-shim does not depend on systemd, and it conflicts with
systemd.  You cannot install both, as claimed by John Hughes.


apt-cache rdepends systemd-shim
systemd-shim
Reverse Depends:
  systemd-shim:i386
  systemd:i386
 |xfce4-session
  systemd
 |libpam-systemd
  init-select

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Re: [DNG] Life's too short to reply to trolls

[Dragan FOSS]

On 12/19/2015 07:33 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

They damage the group


If the group is so weak, that one opponent may threaten it, then 
something is wrong with that group, right?


Be smarter, positive...expose arguments, not anger and "bans":)

Math is simple...troll is only one, group has many members, so...feed 
the troll until he explode ;)


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Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

[Dragan FOSS]

On 12/19/2015 01:05 PM, John Hughes wrote:

people who don't want to use systemd are forced into running broken
systems, so I would like to see useful work towards making it possible
to easily run alternatives to systemd.


You're obviously ignorant :)

Rock-solid Debian-jessie-based system without systemd et al (including 
logind, libsystemd0. *-shim etc..)


https://foss.rs/threads/trios-mia-openrc-zfs-rc1.3057/

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20151013.005909.eadfd010.en.html

have a good day :)

Dragan
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Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

[Dragan FOSS]

On 12/19/2015 02:45 PM, John Hughes wrote:

And all the little no-systemd irritations are fixed? hibernation/suspend
and so on?


I don't know...you can try for yourself.. :)
BTW, I think that list of "little no-systemd irritations.." is much 
shorter than list of systemd irritations ;)




Why isn't this Devuan?


TRIOS is much older project than Devuan :)

Dragan
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Re: [DNG] Distrowatch

[Dragan FOSS]

On 11/02/2015 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

Here are the distros I've heard of that
have taken an absolute stand not to*ever*  default to systemd:


If I may remind you ... Devuan  did not even exist when TRIOS was 
released :)


Dragan

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Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

[Dragan FOSS]

On 10/17/2015 05:51 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote:

On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote:

Hi,

Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd


http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/


Interesting.  Debian actually tags package version numbers with a
nosystemd modifier.  Let me wonder where the versions that require


These are customized packages made by Adam Borowski...I thought everyone 
here already knows about them...


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Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

[Dragan FOSS]

On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote:

Hi,

Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd


http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/
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[DNG] TRIOS rEFInd test

[Dragan FOSS]

Hello everyone,

We made first *unofficial* TRIOS edition for testing on UEFI computers.

http://mirror.org.rs/test/trios-uefi-test1-amd64.iso

In addition to our already standard features (ZFS support, openrc init, 
removed systemd dependencies ..) there is one truly unique feature that 
separates TRIOS from all other distributions based on Debian .. refind 
UEFI boot manager out-of-the-box.


http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/

Refind has been successfully integrated both in live TRIOS, also in 
installed system, if UEFI computer is detected.


If a computer is supported only with a standard bios, live iso will do 
fallback to isolinux.


The preferred method for testing:
Empty hard disk partitioned with the GPT partition table.
However, if you have some systems already installed on disk (Windows, 
linux ..), I recommend that before starting the installation first 
review manual disk partitioning through gparted and our installer, to 
avoid losing data.


Live-build log:
http://mirror.org.rs/test/Build%20-%2013.10.2015%20-%2000:03.log.tar.gz



Enjoy :)

Dragan

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Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

[Dragan FOSS]

On 05/24/15 01:44 AM, James Powell wrote:

SMF is more akin to uselessd, s6, and runit. It's an init system only.


http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/servers-storage-admin/intro-smf-basics-s11-1729181.html
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Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

[Dragan FOSS]

On 05/24/15 02:01 AM, James Powell wrote:

SMF still relies of various other daemons to work


No, real case is exactly opposite...all other daemons relies of SMF.

After initialisation, kernel creates PID 0 (sched), and after that, 
starts PID 1 (init).
The init process reads the /etc/inittab and /etc/default/init and 
follows the instructions.


Inittab in my OI:
--
ap::sysinit:/sbin/autopush -f /etc/iu.ap
sp::sysinit:/sbin/soconfig -d /etc/sock2path.d
smf::sysinit:/lib/svc/bin/svc.startd	/dev/msglog 2/dev/msglog 
/dev/console

p3:s1234:powerfail:/usr/sbin/shutdown -y -i5 -g0 /dev/msglog 2/dev/msglog


So, only 2 daemons that SMF depends on are SMF itself
/lib/svc/bin/svc.startd
/lib/svc/bin/svc.configd

with PID 10 and PID 12 respectively by default.

For example, if I kill svc.startd, it automatically restarts (although 
this can be turned off through the inittab..) with another PID, but 
nothing in PID 1 except /sbin/init

-
root@hipster-oi:~# kill 10
root@hipster-oi:~# ptree
12/lib/svc/bin/svc.configd
46/sbin/dlmgmtd
48/lib/inet/netcfgd
..

...
1127  gkrellm
1220  /usr/bin/gnome-terminal -x /bin/sh -c cd '/home/draganoi'  exec 
$SHELL

  1221  gnome-pty-helper
  1223  /bin/bash
1234  bash
  1241  ptree
1240  /lib/svc/bin/svc.startd
root@hipster-oi:~#
-

Beautiful in simplicity :)

Cheers,
Dragan


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Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image

[Dragan FOSS]

On 04/27/15 10:04 PM, Ingo Schmitt wrote:

deprecated init system?


A simple and stupid tautology...if you do not use something, that does 
not automatically mean that nobody uses :)

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Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image

[Dragan FOSS]

On 04/27/15 11:37 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

OpenRC edition was astounding.


[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# inxi -r


Repos: Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
   deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
   deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
   deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
   deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib 
non-free
   deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib 
non-free
   deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib 
non-free
   deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib 
non-free
   deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib 
non-free
   Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/trios.list
   deb http://mirror.org.rs/trios/ mia main non-systemd-testing zfs 
xfce4-12 backports
   deb-src http://mirror.org.rs/trios/ mia main non-systemd-testing zfs 
xfce4-12 backports


[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# inxi -Fxxx


System:Host: trios Kernel: 4.0.0-trios x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.9.2)
   Desktop: N/A info: xfce4-panel dm: lightdm Distro: Trios testing mia
Machine:   System: innotek product: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: 0  Chassis: 
Oracle type: 1
   Mobo: Oracle model: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: 0 Bios: innotek v: 
VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006
CPU:   Dual core AMD Phenom II X4 960T (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB
   flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3) bmips: 12037
   Clock Speeds: 1: 3009 MHz 2: 3009 MHz
Graphics:  Card: InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter bus-ID: 
00:02.0 chip-ID: 80ee:beef
   Display Server: X.org 1.16.4 drivers: ati,vboxvideo (unloaded: 
fbdev,vesa)
   tty size: 107x42 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio: Card Intel 82801AA AC'97 Audio Controller
   driver: snd_intel8x0 ports: d100 d200 bus-ID: 00:05.0 chip-ID: 
8086:2415
   Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.0.0-trios
Network:   Card: Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
   driver: e1000 v: 7.3.21-k8-NAPI port: d010 bus-ID: 00:03.0 chip-ID: 
8086:100e
   IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 
08:00:27:21:4b:84
Drives:HDD Total Size: 68.7GB (11.9% used)
   ID-1: /dev/sda model: VBOX_HARDDISK size: 68.7GB serial: 
VB0eeb635c-e2a78c3e temp: 0C
Partition: ID-1: / size: 61G used: 5.9G (11%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
   ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.05GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:  Processes: 188 Uptime: 2 min Memory: 306.8/3957.4MB
   Init: SysVinit v: 2.88  rc: OpenRC v: 0.13.1runlevel: 2 default: 2 
Gcc sys: 4.9.2 alt: 4.8
   Client: Shell (bash 4.3.301 running in xfce4-terminal) inxi: 2.1.28
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# dpkg -l *systemd*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name Version ArchitectureDescription
+++--===-===-==
un  libpam-systemd   none  none  (no description 
available)
un  systemd  none  none  (no description 
available)
un  systemd-services none  none  (no description 
available)
un  systemd-shim none  none  (no description 
available)
un  systemd-sysv none  none  (no description 
available)



[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# rc-status


Runlevel: default
 virtualbox-guest-utils [  started  ]
 rsyslog[  started  ]
 smartmontools  [  started  ]
 minissdpd  [  started  ]
 motd   [  started  ]
 cron   [  started  ]
 binfmt-support [  started  ]
 zfs-mount  [  started  ]
 zed[  started  ]
 dbus   [  started  ]
 avahi-daemon   [  started  ]
 bluetooth  [  started  ]
 speech-dispatcher  [  started  ]
 wicd   [  started  ]
 anacron[  started  ]
 atd 

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

[Dragan FOSS]

On 03/ 5/15 06:38 PM, Anto wrote:

Unfortunately, your php5-fpm depends on init-system-helpers. So I can
not test that as I don't want to install init-system-helpers, which is


Clean version of init-system-helpers, by Adam Borowski, is also in trios 
repo

http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-systemd-testing/i/init-system-helpers/

If you wish, you can safely add whole systemd-free repo (component 
main you can exclude from list)

---
echo deb http://mirror.org.rs/trios/ mia main non-systemd-testing  
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/trios-non-systemd.list

wget -qO - http://mirror.org.rs/mirror.org.rs.gpg.key | apt-key add -

Preferences/pinning:


Package: *
Pin: origin mirror.org.rs
Pin-Priority: 1001

Package: *
Pin: release a=jessie
Pin-Priority: 800

Package: systemd
Pin: origin 
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: systemd:i386
Pin: origin 
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: systemd-sysv
Pin: origin 
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: libsystemd0
Pin: origin 
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: libpam-systemd
Pin: origin 
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: libpam-systemd:i386
Pin: origin 
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: libsystemd0:i386
Pin: origin 
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: packagekit
Pin: origin 
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: network-manager
Pin: origin 
Pin-Priority: -1

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Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

[Dragan FOSS]

On 03/ 4/15 04:00 AM, Anto wrote:


I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS just
now.


I just removed the systemd from php-fpm, so everyone can test it.


http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-systemd-testing/p/php5/

-
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# apt-cache policy php5-fpm
php5-fpm:
  Installed: 5.6.5+dfsg-2trios1
  Candidate: 5.6.5+dfsg-2trios1
  Version table:
 *** 5.6.5+dfsg-2trios1 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 5.6.5+dfsg-2 0
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# apt-cache policy libsystemd0
libsystemd0:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Package pin: (not found)
  Version table:
 215-12 -1
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]#


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Re: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed libsystemd0

[Dragan FOSS]

 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:17:23 +0100
 From: Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org
 To: Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com, dng@lists.dyne.org, Luke Kenneth
   Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net
 Subject: Re: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed
   libsystemd0
 Message-ID: 8264f8fb-a38e-4b9c-9627-f131d7fe8...@dyne.org
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 
 TRIOS is a great effort. I personally use zfs in production and approve their 
 technical choices including openrc which I believe to be a good candidate for 
 Devuan's future too.
 
 with Devuan we will keep the focus of matching Debian as much as possible for 
 the 1.0, yet I look forward to Dragan's co to coordinate on tasks and 
 infrastructure we can share to have TRIOS benefit from our work and perhaps 
 reach more target builds.
 
 meanwhile let's give TRIOS the visibility it deserves and a big clap!
 

Jaromil,

Thank you and all the others for friendly words of support.
Cooperation is of course possible and desirable.
When the time comes for Devuan to offer packages of the same functionality that 
is already provided by Adam Borowski,
we will gladly try TRIOS version with devuan packages.

@64/32 bit
The reason why we offer only 64-bit TRIOS is zfs .. on 32-bit linux kernel, zfs 
is unstable:
http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html

Best regards,
Dragan
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Re: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed libsystemd0

[Dragan FOSS]

Author: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Date: 2015-02-17 18:49 +100
To: dng
Subject: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed libsystemd0
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=119836

!! did anyone have a clue that this has already been done? i
didn't!! :) why is this stuff so hard to find?? 

:)

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150215.211902.3366365f.en.html

TRIOS is currently the best jessie based linux distro without systemd on 
planet..period.

Live iso:

http://mirror.org.rs/image/TRIOS-Mia-RC1-Build_2015-01-08.iso

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Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

[Dragan FOSS]

 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:27:55 +
 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net
 To: dng@lists.dyne.org
 Subject: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0
   from debian and still maintaining a working desktop
 Message-ID:
   CAPweEDzEqvvwy=3miokFo9Co_T4k+BzAFn=A=fa0aurpm1j...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

 the reason why i am informing you of this is as encouragement so that
 you know it *can be done*.
 
 i would be most grateful therefore if you could make it much more
 convenient for me to be able to do this, whilst still keeping all the
 debian, TDE and deb-multimedia repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
 that i have today, by keeping the devuan project strictly focussed on
 providing alternative packages instead of polarising the GNU/Linux
 community even further than pottering has already done (by devuan not
 creating an ubuntu-style total distro fork).

This IS already done :)
-
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# inxi -r
Repos: Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
   deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
   deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
   deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
   deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib 
non-free
   deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib 
non-free
   deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib 
non-free
   deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib 
non-free
   deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib 
non-free
   Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/trios.list
   deb http://mirror.org.rs/trios/ mia main non-systemd-testing zfs
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# apt-cache policy systemd
systemd:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Package pin: (not found)
  Version table:
 215-11 -1
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# apt-cache policy libsystemd0
libsystemd0:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Package pin: (not found)
  Version table:
 215-11 -1
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# apt-cache policy lightdm
lightdm:
  Installed: 1.10.3-3
  Candidate: 1.10.3-3
  Version table:
 *** 1.10.3-3 0
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# apt-cache policy xfce4
xfce4:
  Installed: 4.10.1
  Candidate: 4.10.1
  Version table:
 *** 4.10.1 0
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# apt-cache policy skype
skype:i386:
  Installed: 4.3.0.37-1
  Candidate: 4.3.0.37-1
  Version table:
 *** 4.3.0.37-1 0
   1001 http://mirror.org.rs/trios/ mia/main i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# 
--
https://foss.rs/threads/trios-mia-openrc-zfs-rc1.3057

DL link:
http://mirror.org.rs/image/TRIOS-Mia-RC1-Build_2015-01-08.iso
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Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

[Dragan FOSS]

 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:39:26 +
 From: Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org
 To: dng@lists.dyne.org
 Subject: Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
 Message-ID: 20150212103926.GA14149@fork
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

 let me express my personal concern about the logo being too close to
 that of Debian, something that will likely be turned down by the final
 VUA decision. Please consider more logos from the poll!
 

My suggestion for devuan logo

http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan-logo-2.svg_-_Inkscape.png

Regards,
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Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd

[Dragan FOSS]

 Author: Gravis
 Date: 2015-01-14 14:21 +100
 To: dng
 Subject: Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd
 so about TRIOS, what's the deal with the forum site https://foss.rs?
 it claims in the metadata to be lang=en-US and thusly google
 _REFUSES_ to translate it because it's already in English.
 
 -Gravis 

Hi Gravis, 

Short guide for visitors to our forum, who want to translate the whole site 
into the language of choice
https://foss.rs/threads/translate-foss-serbia.3077

..
As far as I can see, GT for our forum works without any problems, but if you 
still have problems with translation, please let me know.
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Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 4, Issue 23

[Dragan FOSS]

 
 Hi Dragan, 
 
 thank you very much for your work. BTW, do you have any plan to
 provide a TRIOS webpage in english for the few of us who do not
 understand Serbian? :)
 
 HND
 
 KatolaZ
 

Hi KatolaZ,
Is it really possible that someone doesn't understand Serbian? ;)

All joking aside..TRIOS site is under complete redesign/reconstruction, and I 
will announce here on Devuan mailing list when it will be ready.
Besides TRIOS site, you are welcome to our support forum...there is one section 
with discussions in english only:
https://foss.rs/forums/help-support-chat.209/
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Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News VII

[Dragan FOSS]

 *** It was not intended for publication but was a reading note. The
 process of team publication is not yet ready: it actually needs team
 work.  What was meant is that the projects are similar in their intentions.
 
 ==
 hk

Ok, thanks for explanation, and sorry if i misunderstood something.
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Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 4, Issue 23

[Dragan FOSS]

 *** Jessie without systemd
 
 https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150108.222844.f83bac6d.en.html
 
 The TRIOS team introduces their semi-rolling Debian Jessie based
 OS that aims to work without Systemd.  It still uses udev at this
 point.  It looks very similar to Devuan, using OpenRC as the

Maybe i am wrong, but It seems that funny things happen here at devuan weekly 
news...something that exists right now,
looks very similar to something that even not exist yet :)

Anyway, NHF :)

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Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News VII

[Dragan FOSS]

 *** Jessie without systemd

 https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150108.222844.f83bac6d.en.html

 The TRIOS team introduces their semi-rolling Debian Jessie based
 OS that aims to work without Systemd. It still uses udev at this
 point. It looks very similar to Devuan, using OpenRC as the

Maybe i am wrong, but It seems that funny things happen here at devuan weekly 
news...something that exists right now,
looks very similar to something that even not exist yet :)

Anyway, NHF :)

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Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd

[Dragan FOSS]

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 at 3:38 AM
From: Martinx - ジェームズ thiagocmarti...@gmail.com
To: Dragan FOSS dragan.f...@gmx.com
Cc: Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com, dng@lists.dyne.org dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd

 If you know how to help us with the correct solution that will immediately 
work correctly, you are very welcome to our community.
 
 What about eudev? 
 
I don't know if eudev is successfully ported to debian to satisfy all 
dependencies?
Let me remind you.. a lot of packages depends on udev, and without them we 
would get pretty unusable desktop.

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