[DNG] accessibility in devuan

Hello everyone, I've been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks, and this is my first post here. I'd like to start by saying a big thank you to those working hard to bring us debian jessie and beyond without systemd. I like to keep an open mind, so after reading arguments for and against

Re: [DNG] OT: Terminal application for multitrack audio (was Re: Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2))

On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 10:59:06AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Not sure what other apps you're looking for on a text console, so I'll put in a mention of Nama, a fairly versatile multitrack DAW that includes a terminal interface. https://freeshell.de/~bolangi/cgi1/nama.cgi/00home.html There

Re: [DNG] procps

On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 01:59:32PM +0300, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: On 4 Jul 2015 13:15, Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Yes indeed. Soon it is going to be systemd/linux not gnu/linux LOL! Actually, I'm reading this thread, and wondering whether I should snort with laughter, or cry. I want to do

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 07:58:44PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote: You just didn't mention your circumstances before ny advice. I did actually, but in another thread which you might have missed. But i still do not understand the value of the reader from what i have read in the gnome-orca package

[DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 05:31:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: I'm running wheezy on my server. The only package I have that contain 'systemd' in their names are: libystemd-login0 I don't find it sneaking other systemd things onto my system when I do the usual security upgrades. Maybe if

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

On Sun, Jul 05, 2015 at 09:53:16PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote: Probably. Then, excuse me for the noise. But you may know how it happens: you just see something that you would help with. -- Then you have ether to reply or to walk by. -- Going to look for whole the thread -- is extra task. So it

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 11:40:46AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: No. I installed sysvinit-core sysvinit sysvinit-utils, rebooted, and then did: # apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd # echo -e '\n\nPackage: *systemd*\nPin: origin \nPin-Priority: \ -1'

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 01:30:59AM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: I've never seen sysvinit-core dropped from Jessie or Squatch (I can't remember the name of Testing), but systemd (if not systemd-sysv) is currently an offer you can't refuse for almost any mass-market GUI software, and then

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 03:17:11PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: Of course I have to guess whether the device has been plugged in as /dev/sdb, or /dev/sde, or whatever. In case of (frequent) doubt, I switch to a root console with control-alt-F1 and a login, unplug the device, and plug it in

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 02:34:52PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: I was of the impression, that to modify the kernel, a PhD was a must. Where did you get such an impression? The only things you need to modify the kernel are the ability to program in c, a sufficient understanding of kernel

Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 01:58:19PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: As someone else pointed out, the control flow code could be abstracted away into some kind of 'universal init script' and individual ones would just need to define the start and stop commands. And there's nothing horrible about

Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 07:25:50PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: I am just curious, but did you try installing sysvinit and systemd-shim? Theoretically, it should give you System 5 startup and shutdown, while keeping compatibility with things that depend on systemd, like Gnome. No. If it was

Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 07:53:37PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: =( Bummer! There must be a way to get what you want, although I honestly do not know enough about systemd to help you out. Like yourself, I am more familiar with the System 5 way of doing things. Wish I could be more

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 10:13:45AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: Since I'm a fan of the Raspberry Pi, I definitely want to see another distro available for it that is systemd-free. There is also FreeBSD for the Pi, though I understand it is very much a work in progress, but I'm interested in

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 07:16:25PM +0200, Michael Bütow wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 for not changing the defaults at this time. I feel this could start a multitude of little holy wars (editor, mta, etc.) which we don't need right now that the first goal -

[DNG] devuan LTS

Hi all, the recent discussions here have made me think about what features I would like devuan to have which debian doesn't currently have. One feature that comes to mind is a long term support branch like what ubuntu has. I think this would be great for those of us who are running servers, and

Re: [DNG] proposed changes: the results

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 04:41:13AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: Previously i was proposing a change of the default editor and the default MTA. Well, my proposition get a lot of traction in the list, and i'm really happy of that, it would mean that you care about devuan, and this IS a great

Re: [DNG] devuan LTS

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:49:49PM -0700, James Powell wrote: There is one thing I would recommend different that the standard Debian model. Release only the right amount of packages to create a working operating system under a complete installation, and dedicate the rest of all packages to

Re: [DNG] proposed changes: the results

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:36:46AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Is ascii the set of 7 bit characters where space is 32 and tilde is 127, or does it have a different context in this email? It is that, but is also the name for the next release of devuan after jessie. Look at www.devuan.org. The

Re: [DNG] devuan LTS

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 07:25:10AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: The year of updates was general availability. When that ended, regular squeeze archives got moved away, and a new repository, squeeze-lts, was created. And it's still alive and supported, on a set of architectures reduced to

Re: [DNG] I am not using systemd and plan to avoid it

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 08:33:48AM +0200, Michael Bütow wrote: Happy to say that after I voted it was 633 users for and 634 against (not planning to use it). Due to the construction of the poll, the plan to avoid figure includes those of us who will be forced to use it anyway due to work

Re: [DNG] devuan LTS

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:19:50AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: The only feasible way I can see to make anything similar to what you seem to have in mind is by using BSD-like ports for non-core components. It is impossible for the ancillary stuff (whatever it means) to remain in sync with the core

[DNG] many packages VS. one package, was: Re: dng@lists.dyne.org

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 08:16:06PM -0700, James Powell wrote: I never said it was set in stone. All I suggested was if you install a package like SDL, then you install all of SDL, not just part of it. This reduces overhead of making multiple packages, simplifies the distribution, and makes

[DNG] OT driverless cars, was: Re: Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 07:25:31PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > I tend to make a distinction between clueless and newbie, not just in > IT either, but that's just me. Driving vehicles comes to mind with the > new self-driven hype. Hey, don't put down the driverless cars. A lot of us blind folks

Re: [DNG] live-build experiment worked!

On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 09:34:08AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > - A partitionner more user-friendly than parted or fdisk: > gparted if GUI is possible, or cfdisk, which has a simple curses > interface. The drawback of cfdisk is that it doesn't know GPT > partitions tables. I don't have any GPT

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 01:59:55AM +0200, poitr pogo wrote: > i'm against moderation. > if you find his posts disturbing use killfile instead. I have to agree here. He's not spamming, he's expressing his unbounded enthusiasm for all things systemd (call it trolling if you want). Frankly, I've

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 09:20:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Here are the facts: While the rest of us, *especially* me, flapped our > lips about a NetworkManager replacement, Edward actually did it. It's worth adding I think that for those of you who have a low opinion of Edward's attempt,

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 01:30:59AM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: > Il 18/ago/2015 12:53 AM, "Gregory Nowak" <g...@gregn.net> ha scritto: > > As I described in another thread earlier, I tried doing an aptitude > > search sysv on a fresh install of debian jess

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:47:31AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > I have considered other SOC devices, but it looks like the pi2 > has the most ram out of all of them. Thanks to everyone for your input so far. I had a more careful look at the banana pi, and see it has at least 1g of ram. I

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

otice there is no swap. For the purposes of this mini howto, I didn't need it. If you need it, you can either create a partition for it, or apt-get install dphys-swapfile. A couple of things worth noting: $ cat /etc/devuan_version jessie $ aptitude search '~i systemd' It isn't installed, none

Re: [DNG] Netman Communication

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:47:05AM +0100, Patrick Erdmann wrote: > would it be possible to use github comments or a seperate mailing list > for Netman? > > Some days it feels like this is the Netman Mailing list and Devuan is a > little sub project of Netman. > > I would be very happy if we find

[DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 07:26:50PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > I think, it is irritating to first having to scroll down text others > have written rather than the text the latest poster has written. If > the latest poster wants his readers to refer to ealier posts, he can > state that in his

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 09:24:44AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Maybe I missed something - I don't understand why your kernel > was not able to mount the root fs. I think it was able to mount the root fs. From what I recall, it did say mounted ext4 file system on /dev/mmcblk0p2. Also, from

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 12:07:49PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > this sounds strange. since its very inception we have struggled to keep > Dyne.org infrastructure and practices as friendly as possible for people > with low or even no vision, since some of our funding members had such > conditions.

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 02:35:39PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > (Why /mnt ?) > > Tradition. It exists on all distros I've ever seen, and it's used for > mountpoints. Do you think the more modern, file manager-centric /media > would be a better choice? That would be no more difficult. Here's

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:31:25PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Wait. Then what *would* you be inclined to type in? /mnt/sdd1 would be perfect; /mnt/[label] if available would be fine too. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 03:05:16PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > /mnt/sdd1 and /mnt/sdd2 would be incredibly easy to implement: I could > have it done within an hour. > > The only thing stopping me is that /mnt/sdd1 and /mnt/sdd2 say nothing > about which physical thumb drive it refers to. And at

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20:36PM -0600, d_pridge wrote: > Would  /mnt/[label]/sdd1  help ID the drive? I'm not sure what you're asking. It could however solve the problem of what to do if two drives are plugged in that have the same label. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public

Re: [DNG] I've got the automounter running

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 01:29:29PM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > A couple of years ago, I surprised a group I'd given a presentation to by > "Safely removing" hardware before I yanked my USB stick ! Yeah. I noticed a tech savvy friend of mine yanking his flash drive whenever he pleases. I told

[DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

Hi all, I think the subject makes my question clear enough, but I'll provide some background. The x86_64 machine I'm currently using as a router/freenet node/i2p node has some components which are on the brink of failing, the mobo seems to be one of those. So, I'm looking at what to replace it

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 11:36:12PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I'm curious about the use as a router. How many physical net > connections can a raspberry pi have? From what I read, the 2nd generation B has one 10/100 ethernet port which is a network card on one of the pi's usb ports. Besides

Re: [DNG] devuan installer and overheating

On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 09:24:56AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > please remember critical feedback and insights are welcome! we need > to improve things still. but perhaps not in the d-i installer, which > is quite of an hairball. Does that mean that feedback issues open against the installer aren't

Re: [DNG] devuan installer and overheating

On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 11:01:42PM +0200, Paweł Cholewiński wrote: > Look here https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/debian-installer/issues > Some issues have 1.0.0-beta2 milestone and they are going to be resolved > with beta2. Ok, thanks. I didn't see that in my search, and filed installer

Re: [DNG] apt-get upgrade does nothing

On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 08:17:08PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 29 May 2016 20:21:54 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > Do you have jessie-updates and jessie-security in your sources.list? > > > I don't know. My /etc/apt/sources.list is shown at > http://lpaste.net/164802 .

Re: [DNG] encryption

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 07:34:11AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > Maybe we had this discussion before and I missed it. I did a Google search > and didn't find it. Anyway, here is my question... > > I want to create one encrypted folder on my hard drive. I don't necessarily > need heavy-duty

Re: [DNG] Vote for/against netman name change

On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:03:24AM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Do you agree to renaming netman? no Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch

Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero

On Sun, Feb 07, 2016 at 07:26:27PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > I recently got one of those new raspberry pi zero. The little thing > should have exactly the same hw of the first version of rpi. Hence, I > thought I could have migrated it swiftly from raspbian (jessie) to > devuan, and I was eager to

Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero

On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 01:27:19PM +1100, Simon Wise wrote: > raspbian is in between armel and armhf because debian armel is (or > was then) compiled without hard float support while debian armhf is > compiled for arm7 ... so since PIs are arm6 with FPU neither is > suitable Just to be clear, the

Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:43:40AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 07:46:40PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Call me paranoid but I am noticing big companies like Microsoft making > > it very difficult to buy a computer or laptop without Windows > > installed.

Re: [DNG] "Common knowledge?"-question

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 09:34:28PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Can the effect of the following C function > > static void print_start(char const *name, char const *what) > { > char *buf, *p; > unsigned name_len, what_len, total; > > name_len = strlen(name); > what_len =

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 2 devuan image

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 06:24:08AM +1100, Ozi Traveller wrote: > I'm hoping you might be able to tell me how move passed this error? I have > devuan-keyring installed, it should build otherwise. I've already built a > bootable debian image with the script so I know it works. > > Thanks I'm not

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 2 image

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 05:44:16PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > The image I would like people to test can be found here: Thanks for your work. I unfortunately can't test ATM because I have only one rpi2 acting as a router. I plan to get another unit to play with (possibly a rpi3) in the future. If

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 2 image

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 09:26:23PM +0100, Antonio Trkdz.tab wrote: > can some of you be so kind to point out in a clear form (and possibly link > it to uname outputs) the architectures needed by each raspberry version, > namely 1,2 and 3? > Thank you in advance!

Re: [DNG] Accessibility: Does the devuan installer default to ALSA?

On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 08:53:06AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 08/03/16 06:45, Joel Roth wrote: > > Hi Devuan, > > > > I'm following the blinux mailing list, for blind users of > > Linux, and there is a report of someone having trouble with > > pulse audio. So that leads me to ask, will

Re: [DNG] devuan installer main menu access

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 06:30:42PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: > 4.1] Was it a case of 'fat-fingerng'? I don't think so, but it's asking > a lot to attempt to re-create this because with slow bandwidth, each > install attempt takes a long time to get to this stage. Today's > connection was

Re: [DNG] Meaningful and concise posts: was Dng Digest, Vol 19, Issue 76

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:05:01AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I see you receive the digest version of this list's posts. Many people > do. People on the digest have a responsibility to change the subject > line to the subject of the post to which they're responding. They also > have the

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 07:05:06PM +, Noel Torres wrote: > Just curious... > > Why not using CUPS ? Too bulky and cumbersome. Go to a web interface. Follow link to install device. Choose device from a list ... I prefer to read up on the syntax of a config file or two, and just edit them, or

Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:52:57AM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > I think it's also removed in the boot menu of my unofficial live beta, but > it's still there in refractasnapshot. No plans to get rid of that. Ok, I'm confused. Is the mini live image that KatolaZ produced a small version of your

Re: [DNG] Signature verification

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:43:37PM +0200, Paweł Cholewiński wrote: > How to check integrity of this SHA256SUMS file and how to ensure the > data is the same as it was when it was originally created - how to > verify digital signature of this file (if it have digital signature). I > never verified

Re: [DNG] dealing with wifi

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 09:27:17PM +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > Principally, to avoid wicd from starting automatically > i'll have to pull out the wicd script out of /etc/init.d/ , correct? Not necessarily. Simply doing: update-rc.d wicd disable will prevent wicd from being started or

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 12:56:53AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > I don't know whether you are correct or not :) It includes all the > drivers shipped with the standatrd Devuan kernel (including alsa), but > being a minimal image it does not have alsa-utils or other > sound-related amenities (yet!). > >

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 09:25:10PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > OK guys, I am happy to announce that after having put the default > initramfs on a strict diet (basically, removing useless modules and > libraries unnecessary at boot), the unofficial minimal live is able to > boot on just 96 MB of RAM :)

Re: [DNG] asteroids and release names.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 08:36:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Ascii will be the name of version 1, won't it? That will be jessie as far as I know. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your

Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 09:00:44PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I know many of you are using Devuan in production and as your Daily > Driver. Patrick from debian-user expressed some trepidation about > moving to Devuan in his impending escape from a systemd-encumbered > Debian, and I figure maybe if

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now works.

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 06:27:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I'm using the driver from Brother, and lpr from lprng. I found the > lprng-doc package. I suppose the next thing is to read it, While I haven't used a brother printer, I do seem to have a recollection of doing lpr file.pdf, and

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:07:01AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > I am pretty sure it's trivial to install a different login manager > if SLiM is not to your liking. Or has systemd crept into the rest of > them? No, lightdm is installable and systemd free on devuan. That along with

Re: [DNG] Gtk3-theme

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:32:48AM +0100, Jochen Fahrner wrote: > If you want to completely avoid Gtk, you have to go without many > non-gnome apps like LXDE and Xfce desktop environments, Claws Mail, > AbiWord, Chrome, Firefox, Midori, Pidgin and many more. I'll add orca to that list, given

[DNG] is there a better place to report these issues

Hello everyone. I reported the following issues during the first beta of devuan. They are still unresolved in the current beta iteration, and haven't been acknowledged since I reported them. Is there a better place for me to report these:

[DNG] can't clone from git.devuan.org

Hi all. I can't clone from git.devuan.org: git clone --depth=1 https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk.git Cloning into 'arm-sdk'... fatal: unable to access 'https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk.git/': Problem with the SSL CA cert (path? access rights?) Is this not an anonymous repo, do I need to

Re: [DNG] On talk.do and Web forums

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:09:20PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > Traffic on ye olde dng@lists.dyne.org has gone down a lot. > Is it because of this new-fangled Discourse thing? I'll admit I don't miss the traffic. In fact, I had considered switching over to the announce list, but then the traffic

Re: [DNG] Firefox nightly [now] requires Pulse Audio

On Sun, Oct 02, 2016 at 12:37:16AM +, Go Linux wrote: > I hope that someone will be able to devise a way to keep alsa a viable > alternative. You can read the sad news here . . . > > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20=130028 > As someone in that discussion points out, debian may

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 01:05:27PM +0100, hellekin wrote: > The devuan-discuss mailing list was created to harmonize the lists: > devuan-announce, devuan-discuss, and devuan-dev, and to move away from > the "Debian is Not GNOME" antagonist pattern. If you wouldn't have just mentioned "the "Debian

Re: [DNG] Why does systemd do such stupid things

On Sun, Nov 06, 2016 at 06:11:23PM +, Rowland Penny wrote: > I don't really object to re-naming a newly found ethernet card, what > concerned me was the fact it happened silently. Not that silently, the dmesg output told you exactly what happened. This has also been how udev informed of the

[DNG] rpi3 serial console

Hi all. Can anyone out there with a raspberry pi 3 and a pl2303 cable please confirm that the devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_arm64_raspi3.img.xz image actually has a working serial console? I do see that cmdline.txt in the first fat partition defines ttyAMA0, so it should work, but doesn't seem to

Re: [DNG] rpi3 serial console

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:04:59PM -0500, Christopher Clements wrote: > First of all, this might help you with the GPIO stuff: > https://pinout.xyz/pinout/uart Thanks Christopher. According to the above, the GPIO for the rpi2 and rpi3 are indeed the same ... good. > You might need to make sure

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:53:41AM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote: > Just to make sure I've not made a mess of things (been a while since > I've done the debian-style inplace update), someone mind > double-checking the result of my dist-upgrade / sources.list? Looks good to me. Greg -- web site:

Re: [DNG] [OT] setnet v0.2: a shell script for network config

On Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 10:44:34AM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > Does it shiw correctly with "iw dev"? That's iw from > http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw/ I'm currently running the armhf image testing another issue I'm preparing to report. If someone doesn't answer before I

Re: [DNG] [OT] setnet v0.2: a shell script for network config

On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 10:08:52PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > Steve, that's already been fixed. The detection of interface type is > implemented using iwconfig now, and is not based on interface names > any more. That isn't going to work everywhere unfortunately. As of now, the built-in wifi adapter

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

On Tue, Jan 03, 2017 at 12:42:48PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > I would suggest, if the installing sysadmin has opted to not configure > any DNS nameservice at all, i.e., was prompted for nameserver IP and > provided none, and also had did not opt to have one given to the host > with a DHCP lease,

Re: [DNG] [OT] setnet.sh version 0.2.1 released

On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 12:38:45AM +, KatolaZ wrote: > P.S.: For Greg: I would relaly appreciate your feedback on setnet. If > you find it useful, we can start putting together something similar > for audio devices... ;) Sounds good. I'll try to take a look at it, and get back to you soon,

Re: [DNG] [OT] setnet v0.2: a shell script for network config

On Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 10:44:34AM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > Does it shiw correctly with "iw dev"? That's iw from > http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw/ Yes, iw dev works nicely. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 09:37:45PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of > people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt > on it please. You can add Gregory Nowak to that too. I was for the most part qu

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 01:19:18PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > You can include me in your list if you want. But I think for a Debian user > who is currently questioning the need for systemd, knowing his alternatives > is much more useful than knowing that I (some guy they don't know) stopped >

[DNG] /etc/debian_version

Hi all. So I noticed that on systems upgraded to devuan jessie from debian wheezy, I still have a /etc/debian_version. I don't have this file on a couple devuan systems installed from scratch. I figured I didn't need a /etc/debian_version reading 7.1.1 anymore, so I blew it away on one of my

Re: [DNG] /etc/debian_version

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 01:06:53PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > Yet I believe we should file this as a bug as /etc/debian_version is > not there on new installs. The /etc/debian_version file is checked by > an enormous quantity of scripts in all sorts of deployements, we have > encountered this problem

[DNG] reportbug, unable to connect to devuan bts

Hi all, I'm trying to run reportbug, and it tells me it can't connect to devuan bts. I can connect to it just fine from the machine in question using lynx over http and https. When I run tcpdump while running reportbug, I see it's trying to connect to dyne.servus.at over https. When I try to

Re: [DNG] reportbug, unable to connect to devuan bts

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 10:09:39PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > all the known outstanding issues which were not just bare comments > have been already imported in bugs.devuan.org (and most of them have > also been fixed and closed). Here's one example why I asked about this. I filed an issue on gitlab

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 09:35:06PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at face > value and answered why it's so dam hard to alt-init a systemd-infested > system. You can see my answer here: > >

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 03:51:54PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > > All those users are being left without any other choice than throwing > > their hw away by many distributions, without a concrete motivation > > (well, except the usual "it's old so it must be

Re: [DNG] virtualbox-dkms fails to build on Devuan

On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 03:35:24PM -0500, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: > Setting up virtualbox-dkms (5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2) ... This isn't from jessie, it's from backports. > Building for 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 This is also from backports, not from jessie. From the vbox changelog: "* Linux hosts:

Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 07:09:29PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > I get lots of those errors in my postfix log: > > Jul 3 18:09:16 server postfix/smtpd[2840]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT > from tupac2.dyne.org[178.62.188.7]: 450 4.7.1 : > Helo command rejected: Host not found; >

Re: [DNG] reportbug, unable to connect to devuan bts

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 07:36:11PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > thanks for your patience. Your issue was already in bugs.devuan.org > (since the 24th March): Thanks KatolaZ for pointing it out. That also explains why searching against apt-cacher-ng didn't come back with any results. Greg -- web

[DNG] auto.mirror.devuan.org or us.mirror.devuan.org

Hi all, I've been wondering this for a while now, so finally figure I'd ask. For those of us in the U.S. is there a difference if we use us.mirror.devuan.org, or auto.mirror.devuan.org? If there is a difference, then what is it exactly? Is one recommended more than the other? Thanks. Greg --

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 01:38:00AM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > This would lead network interface names default to the old "eth0" or > "wlan0" scheme, rather than the new(?) "enp0s3"-like scheme. It implies > having "net.ifnames=1" in the kernel cmdline to get the "enp0s3"-like > scheme and not

Re: [DNG] Adjusting LCD backlight in XFCE4

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 03:48:14PM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > Any hints would be appreciated. Did you try what I suggested: Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype:

[DNG] 403 forbidden on installer-iso

Hi all, I'm getting a "403 Forbidden" message on: Can anyone else confirm this? Thanks. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

Awesome, and great news! The torrent is downloading as I type, and I plan to seed all of it 24/7. Thanks to all those who made Jessie possible. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts

Re: [DNG] apt-get update issues today

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 05:41:44PM -0500, hal wrote: > I tried apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade today and not > sure what's going on. Some kind of issue with makedev or udev > along with a warning about the kernel and initramfs-tools > > Can somone offer some insight on how to resolve the

Re: [DNG] apt-get update issues today

On Sun, May 07, 2017 at 06:07:40AM -0500, hal wrote: > Thank you, it appears now there is some problem with libudev1 and a package > that was placed on hold. > >E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. >(new paste) https://pastebin.com/ky1EVGgL > > Could this be due

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 02:12:28PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > Aren't these things that naturally belong into X or the input itself, It would be nice if x itself implemented an accessibility framework, but it currently doesn't as far as I know. If it did, people with

  1   2   3   >