Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

2015-12-25 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 02:35:39PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > (Why /mnt ?) > > Tradition. It exists on all distros I've ever seen, and it's used for > mountpoints. Do you think the more modern, file manager-centric /media > would be a better choice? That would be no more difficult. Here's

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

2015-12-25 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:31:25PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Wait. Then what *would* you be inclined to type in? /mnt/sdd1 would be perfect; /mnt/[label] if available would be fine too. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

2015-12-25 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 03:05:16PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > /mnt/sdd1 and /mnt/sdd2 would be incredibly easy to implement: I could > have it done within an hour. > > The only thing stopping me is that /mnt/sdd1 and /mnt/sdd2 say nothing > about which physical thumb drive it refers to. And at

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-12-12 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 09:24:44AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Maybe I missed something - I don't understand why your kernel > was not able to mount the root fs. I think it was able to mount the root fs. From what I recall, it did say mounted ext4 file system on /dev/mmcblk0p2. Also, from

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-12 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 12:07:49PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > this sounds strange. since its very inception we have struggled to keep > Dyne.org infrastructure and practices as friendly as possible for people > with low or even no vision, since some of our funding members had such > conditions.

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-12-11 Thread Gregory Nowak
otice there is no swap. For the purposes of this mini howto, I didn't need it. If you need it, you can either create a partition for it, or apt-get install dphys-swapfile. A couple of things worth noting: $ cat /etc/devuan_version jessie $ aptitude search '~i systemd' It isn't installed, none

[DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-11 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 07:26:50PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > I think, it is irritating to first having to scroll down text others > have written rather than the text the latest poster has written. If > the latest poster wants his readers to refer to ealier posts, he can > state that in his

Re: [DNG] Netman Communication

2015-12-10 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:47:05AM +0100, Patrick Erdmann wrote: > would it be possible to use github comments or a seperate mailing list > for Netman? > > Some days it feels like this is the Netman Mailing list and Devuan is a > little sub project of Netman. > > I would be very happy if we find

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:47:31AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > I have considered other SOC devices, but it looks like the pi2 > has the most ram out of all of them. Thanks to everyone for your input so far. I had a more careful look at the banana pi, and see it has at least 1g of ram. I

[DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-26 Thread Gregory Nowak
Hi all, I think the subject makes my question clear enough, but I'll provide some background. The x86_64 machine I'm currently using as a router/freenet node/i2p node has some components which are on the brink of failing, the mobo seems to be one of those. So, I'm looking at what to replace it

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-26 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 11:36:12PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I'm curious about the use as a router. How many physical net > connections can a raspberry pi have? From what I read, the 2nd generation B has one 10/100 ethernet port which is a network card on one of the pi's usb ports. Besides

[DNG] OT driverless cars, was: Re: Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

2015-11-03 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 07:25:31PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > I tend to make a distinction between clueless and newbie, not just in > IT either, but that's just me. Driving vehicles comes to mind with the > new self-driven hype. Hey, don't put down the driverless cars. A lot of us blind folks

Re: [DNG] live-build experiment worked!

2015-10-07 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 09:34:08AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > - A partitionner more user-friendly than parted or fdisk: > gparted if GUI is possible, or cfdisk, which has a simple curses > interface. The drawback of cfdisk is that it doesn't know GPT > partitions tables. I don't have any GPT

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-25 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 09:20:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Here are the facts: While the rest of us, *especially* me, flapped our > lips about a NetworkManager replacement, Edward actually did it. It's worth adding I think that for those of you who have a low opinion of Edward's attempt,

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-09-18 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 01:30:59AM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: > Il 18/ago/2015 12:53 AM, "Gregory Nowak" <g...@gregn.net> ha scritto: > > As I described in another thread earlier, I tried doing an aptitude > > search sysv on a fresh install of debian jess

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 01:59:55AM +0200, poitr pogo wrote: > i'm against moderation. > if you find his posts disturbing use killfile instead. I have to agree here. He's not spamming, he's expressing his unbounded enthusiasm for all things systemd (call it trolling if you want). Frankly, I've

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 11:40:46AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: No. I installed sysvinit-core sysvinit sysvinit-utils, rebooted, and then did: # apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd # echo -e '\n\nPackage: *systemd*\nPin: origin \nPin-Priority: \ -1'

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 01:30:59AM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: I've never seen sysvinit-core dropped from Jessie or Squatch (I can't remember the name of Testing), but systemd (if not systemd-sysv) is currently an offer you can't refuse for almost any mass-market GUI software, and then

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

2015-08-08 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 10:13:45AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: Since I'm a fan of the Raspberry Pi, I definitely want to see another distro available for it that is systemd-free. There is also FreeBSD for the Pi, though I understand it is very much a work in progress, but I'm interested in

Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

2015-08-07 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 01:58:19PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: As someone else pointed out, the control flow code could be abstracted away into some kind of 'universal init script' and individual ones would just need to define the start and stop commands. And there's nothing horrible about

Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

2015-08-07 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 07:25:50PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: I am just curious, but did you try installing sysvinit and systemd-shim? Theoretically, it should give you System 5 startup and shutdown, while keeping compatibility with things that depend on systemd, like Gnome. No. If it was

Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup (was: Init scripts in packages)

2015-08-07 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 07:53:37PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: =( Bummer! There must be a way to get what you want, although I honestly do not know enough about systemd to help you out. Like yourself, I am more familiar with the System 5 way of doing things. Wish I could be more

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-03 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 02:34:52PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: I was of the impression, that to modify the kernel, a PhD was a must. Where did you get such an impression? The only things you need to modify the kernel are the ability to program in c, a sufficient understanding of kernel

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

2015-07-28 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 03:17:11PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: Of course I have to guess whether the device has been plugged in as /dev/sdb, or /dev/sde, or whatever. In case of (frequent) doubt, I switch to a root console with control-alt-F1 and a login, unplug the device, and plug it in

Re: [DNG] devuan LTS

2015-07-17 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:49:49PM -0700, James Powell wrote: There is one thing I would recommend different that the standard Debian model. Release only the right amount of packages to create a working operating system under a complete installation, and dedicate the rest of all packages to

Re: [DNG] devuan LTS

2015-07-17 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:19:50AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: The only feasible way I can see to make anything similar to what you seem to have in mind is by using BSD-like ports for non-core components. It is impossible for the ancillary stuff (whatever it means) to remain in sync with the core

[DNG] many packages VS. one package, was: Re: dng@lists.dyne.org

2015-07-17 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 08:16:06PM -0700, James Powell wrote: I never said it was set in stone. All I suggested was if you install a package like SDL, then you install all of SDL, not just part of it. This reduces overhead of making multiple packages, simplifies the distribution, and makes

[DNG] devuan LTS

2015-07-16 Thread Gregory Nowak
Hi all, the recent discussions here have made me think about what features I would like devuan to have which debian doesn't currently have. One feature that comes to mind is a long term support branch like what ubuntu has. I think this would be great for those of us who are running servers, and

Re: [DNG] proposed changes: the results

2015-07-16 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 04:41:13AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: Previously i was proposing a change of the default editor and the default MTA. Well, my proposition get a lot of traction in the list, and i'm really happy of that, it would mean that you care about devuan, and this IS a great

Re: [DNG] proposed changes: the results

2015-07-16 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:36:46AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Is ascii the set of 7 bit characters where space is 32 and tilde is 127, or does it have a different context in this email? It is that, but is also the name for the next release of devuan after jessie. Look at www.devuan.org. The

Re: [DNG] devuan LTS

2015-07-16 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 07:25:10AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: The year of updates was general availability. When that ended, regular squeeze archives got moved away, and a new repository, squeeze-lts, was created. And it's still alive and supported, on a set of architectures reduced to

Re: [DNG] I am not using systemd and plan to avoid it

2015-07-16 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 08:33:48AM +0200, Michael Bütow wrote: Happy to say that after I voted it was 633 users for and 634 against (not planning to use it). Due to the construction of the poll, the plan to avoid figure includes those of us who will be forced to use it anyway due to work

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-15 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 07:16:25PM +0200, Michael Bütow wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 for not changing the defaults at this time. I feel this could start a multitude of little holy wars (editor, mta, etc.) which we don't need right now that the first goal -

[DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-06 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 05:31:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: I'm running wheezy on my server. The only package I have that contain 'systemd' in their names are: libystemd-login0 I don't find it sneaking other systemd things onto my system when I do the usual security upgrades. Maybe if

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-05 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sun, Jul 05, 2015 at 09:53:16PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote: Probably. Then, excuse me for the noise. But you may know how it happens: you just see something that you would help with. -- Then you have ether to reply or to walk by. -- Going to look for whole the thread -- is extra task. So it

Re: [DNG] OT: Terminal application for multitrack audio (was Re: Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2))

2015-07-04 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 10:59:06AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Not sure what other apps you're looking for on a text console, so I'll put in a mention of Nama, a fairly versatile multitrack DAW that includes a terminal interface. https://freeshell.de/~bolangi/cgi1/nama.cgi/00home.html There

Re: [DNG] procps

2015-07-04 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 01:59:32PM +0300, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: On 4 Jul 2015 13:15, Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Yes indeed. Soon it is going to be systemd/linux not gnu/linux LOL! Actually, I'm reading this thread, and wondering whether I should snort with laughter, or cry. I want to do

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-04 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 07:58:44PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote: You just didn't mention your circumstances before ny advice. I did actually, but in another thread which you might have missed. But i still do not understand the value of the reader from what i have read in the gnome-orca package

[DNG] accessibility in devuan

2015-06-25 Thread Gregory Nowak
Hello everyone, I've been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks, and this is my first post here. I'd like to start by saying a big thank you to those working hard to bring us debian jessie and beyond without systemd. I like to keep an open mind, so after reading arguments for and against

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