Re: [DNG] Packages aren't the only path to alternate inits

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Le 18/06/2015 17:23, Laurent Bercot a écrit : Absolutely. Why enforce exclusion when you can have a choice ? Make a currently active vs. inactive switch, I don't know the Debian/Devuan terminology, and allow users to install

[DNG] Fwd: Gummiboot patch

Gummiboot is my favorite boot loader, mainly due to it loading the kernel from the EFI partition and thus not requiring a third partition for /boot when you use encrypted root. I first became familiar with it on Arch Linux well after their switch to systemd; but despite this project now being

Re: [DNG] GNU/Linux, Libre Linux, binary blobs, choice, freedom. philosophy

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:32 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: I think anyone who wants to revisit Debian's current free/nonfree repo structure, or its stance wrt licensing, should get their desired changes merged into Debian itself. Then, and only then, should Devuan consider them.

[DNG] Devuan EFI installer image

I've successfully made an installer image, practically usable through non-optical drives only, for amd64-compatible (U)EFI computers! Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1OGj4xwAe9_YjBBeF84NTk4Wms/view?usp=sharing Installation: decompress then dd, or maybe `zcat [...].img.gz /dev/sdb`

Re: [DNG] Devuan EFI installer image

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 2:05 AM, Daniel Reurich dan...@centurion.net.nz wrote: What's the problem with UEFI computers booting? I'd be keen to fix the installer or related packages to make it work properly... Well, the official installer image from the downloads page is simply built without EFI

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

Il 18/ago/2015 12:53 AM, Gregory Nowak g...@gregn.net ha scritto: As I described in another thread earlier, I tried doing an aptitude search sysv on a fresh install of debian jessie, and got back no results. Either I was doing something wrong, or it sounds like sysvinit-core is back in sid,

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

Il 08/ago/2015 04:12 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net ha scritto: I thought a primary motivation for Devuan was to NOT install systemd by default. It's a work in progress, and testing currently gets less effort than stable, but is actually more friendly to the anti-systemd cause for

Re: [DNG] libpam-systemd

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: Is libpam-systemd needed by devuan? Because that's the only package I have installed that would be broken by removing systemd itself. Since it appears to have something do do with authentication, I'm concerned that I

Re: [DNG] shutdown is there for one user, not for another

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: I Have a lock screen/suspend/shutdown/logout menu on the right end of the top icon panel. Only the 'switch user' item is greyed out. From my own account, which was copied from Debian Jessie, I have only a logout

Re: [DNG] xfce not shutting down on Devuan

Il 24/ago/2015 09:50 AM, iguleder d...@dimakrasner.com ha scritto: AFAIK pm-utils should be enough, but make sure you restart Xfce. On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:22:31 +0300 Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com wrote If that is the case, how do I get the 'suspend' and 'hibernate' buttons? I

[DNG] /data folder in Devuan Ascii

I had JUST used Android adb as superuser so I thought for some reason adb faithfully recreated the folder structure, but after seeing the contents of a mysterious /data/ folder appearing in my root, it quickly became clear any accidental human error isn't mine (not pointing fingers at anyone,

[DNG] Patch aptitude to download changelogs

apt-get build-essential aptitude apt-get source aptitude cd aptitude-0.6.11 $EDITOR src/cmdline/cmdline_changelog.cc:341 src/view_changelog.cc:410 → Change to [...] Origin(), Devuan) [...] $EDITOR src/gtk/changelog.cc → There's another Debian to change to Devuan, but I didn't note the line

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment Reply-To:

Il 13/ago/2015 07:01 PM, Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net ha scritto: Nevertheless, in spite of that when I reboot I'm taken to a graphical log in screen and then to some kind of desktop environment. Xfce4 is not installed. What is this environment (it has a chartreuse background), and how do

Re: [DNG] Evince, gimp and okular in devuan

Il 13/ago/2015 06:55 PM, aitor_czr aitor_...@gnuinos.org ha scritto: libcupsimage2 : Depende: libcups2 (= 1.7.5-11) pero 1.7.5-11+deb8u1 va a ser instalado Does Debian have the same problem? Last time I used my computer about a week ago I fully updated Devuan Ascii with no issue, but the version

Re: [DNG] Evince, gimp and okular in devuan

Il 13/ago/2015 07:04 PM, aitor_czr aitor_...@gnuinos.org ha scritto: I don't know, i'm in devuan jessie :) Looks like you don't have the Debian Security repos enabled (deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie-updates main #contrib non-free), which at the moment don't have a Devuan equivalent for

[DNG] Re: Alpha2 without desktop environment

Il 13/ago/2015 10:21 PM, Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net ha scritto: I guess I'll just try to reinstall. I initially tried to install testing/ascii, but couldn't complete install software. So I retreated to jessie, and had the same problem, but after choosing not to install CUPS (and no

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment

Il 13/ago/2015 09:16 PM, Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net ha scritto: However, # which xfce4-power-manager tells me it is in /usr/bin. The next step would be ‘dpkg -S /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager’ to check if it belongs to some weird package... ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Correction: Re: systemd files found in fresh devuan alpha2 install.

Il 15/ago/2015 03:05 PM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com ha scritto: There are still a few systemd-related packages iinstalled: libpam-systemd systemd systemd-shim libsystemd0 Is this normal? Yes (for now), and you can easily remove all of them, except libsystemd0, with no issues If

Re: [DNG] nano for beginners

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Anto arya...@chello.at wrote: In vi I use 10yy and then p to copy and paste 10 lines. And I use 10dd to delete 10 lines and press u to undo that if I mistakenly deleted the wrong lines. What are the equivalent commands for that in nano? ctrl+k cuts a line.

Re: [DNG] vi for beginners

A little shortcut from the extreme basics I know of vi: On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: 6) Type the following, followed by hitting enter, in order to save and quit: :wq ZZ (uppercase) saves and quits, no questions asked!

Re: [DNG] emacs for beginners

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 08:34:08PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: M- stands for hold ALT. And if you don't have an ALT key, press and release escape, then type the letter that was supposed too be alted. Will someone please

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net wrote: As for desktop environment, I assume the option of having none will remain. With all this talk of xfce, I hope those who use none will be accommodated. Extrememly likely -- the current installer (since Debian jessie alpha

Re: [DNG] security in Devuan repos

On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:29:30 -0300 edinaldo wrote: > I come to ask how the issue of security is treated as not seen (or found) > something equivalent to repos: > "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" A clean install (of Devuan jessie)

Re: [DNG] How do I get the user's home directory path?

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:52:36 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > I need to get the unprivileged user home directory path. Does anyone know of > a solution? Can you pass the user's name or UID to the backend in some way? If yes, this command could probably be adapted (credits:

Re: [DNG] Printing

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I installed lpr, and it did take a lot of cups off. Do I really need cups? Nope, especially with a Brother that's very LPR-friendly! As you found out, cups-bsd is just a port of LPR programs to CUPS. > But I still

Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 05/10/2015 18:54, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : > Yes, changing the MAC address of a real network interface can be done to fool > a DHCP server (I don't see any other reason), > but this is done in user space, after the kernel

Re: [DNG] replacing kernel 3.16.0-4

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net wrote: So I'd like to use a different kernel, but there are no alternatives in the devuan repository. How then should I install an alternative kernel? You can compile one yourself: → Install the build tools (build-essential +

Re: [DNG] (1) netman package? (2) reliablility of devuan testing?

Il 26/set/2015 20:54, "Hendrik Boom" ha scritto: > I looked for a netman package in aptitude; it doesn't seem to be around > in jessie yet. Should I look in ascii or ceres? Or aren't we at that > stage yet? Good question, but there are none right now AFAIK! > Is ascii

Re: [DNG] Printing

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Obtaining a driver from Brother's support site as a .deb file, I tried to > install it with dpkg: > > root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik/Download/BrotherPrinterDriver# dpkg -i > hl3170cdwlpr-1.1.2-1.i386.deb As the name

Re: [DNG] Architecture question and other installation issues

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:08 AM, Joel Roth wrote: > I installed devuan following dev1fanboy's guide and ended up with an amd64 > kernel and i386 package binaries. > > First of all, I'm curious if those choices are explicit in the installer. > (I thought had I asked for amd64.)

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

On November 27, 2015 1:44:00 PM GMT+01:00, "Rainer H. Rauschenberg" wrote: >Will this really work? AFAIR Raspbian was created because of the >specific >Arm-processor/Soc that Raspeberry Pi uses, which doesn't suit armhf as >well as armel, so many programms have

Re: [DNG] Cannot update Iceweasel as it depends on libdbus-1-3

On November 23, 2015 6:37:59 PM GMT+01:00, Eloy Espinaco wrote: > >How should I handle this? I can force the instalation and I think that it will >work anyway, but it is too manual. Is there anything I'm missing here? Devuan basically works on a blacklist system, where