Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

s wise and prescient. And given the results of the GR I'd say Tom was asking a question both wise and obvious, not trying to tell anyone what to do. Nothing I've written above is meant to in any way belittle the fact that the Devuan project has too few

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists : solved by workaround

7;s danger and delete the dng one. So, although I have the same opinion of DKIM that I've always had, my procedural workaround means I won't need to ask anyone else for help. SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.co

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists (was: Can we fix this DMARC thing?)

, I guess I'll just have to implement a fix on my end. Anyone know of an equivalent for procmail on the *sending* side? SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mai

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists (was: Can we fix this DMARC thing?)

On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 18:19:10 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 19:12:21 -0800 > Rick Moen wrote: > > > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > > > Seriously, this DMARC thing, or at least the way it's implemented &

[DNG] Can we fix this DMARC thing?

t to fix whatever's wrong with the DMARC implementation. This is a very dangerous situation. SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] :-) Don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen

On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 15:27:00 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > On 19/12/19 10:27 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > > My advice, don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen: You'll > > lose. I know, I've lost many times. Rick and I are actually good &

[DNG] Sprung back to life

m sorry for my mistake. Steve Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] I'm sorry for my post

the person and which is the list. Sorry everyone. SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] :-) Don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen

bian Jessie's sysvinit support. Have fun. Steve Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd

On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:03:13 +0100 (CET) freemedia via Dng wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > > Not Gentoo --- they're slowly sliding toward systemd. > > this is important to me, and ive looked for more information on the > gentoo forums and website, and i cant find t

Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd

offended. See http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/politics_of_dependencies.htm You created a very informative and thought provoking web page. Thanks freemedia! SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 _

Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd

On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 11:00:28 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hi Steve. > > Steve Litt - 14.12.19, 02:55:26 CET: > > According to this message on the Debian-User email message, Debian > > is working on dumping non-systemd inits. The Debian vote methods > > are so

Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd

d > > move on with Slackware and Gentoo etc and the *BSD unices. > >     Void, Adélie ... Not Gentoo --- they're slowly sliding toward systemd. SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 __

Re: [DNG] (forw) Re: Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd

e those choosing alternate init systems." And people wonder why I despise the Debian project. SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dy

Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd

it was always the plan for Devuan to become a distro in its own right. SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglist

[DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd

Hi all, According to this message on the Debian-User email message, Debian is working on dumping non-systemd inits. The Debian vote methods are so arcane I can't tell whether that's true or false, or whether the quoted vote is early or partial information. SteveT Steve Litt Dec

Re: [DNG] fifth freedom

ds when anybody can download its source? SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Conversion script: was Formail for managing digests

artup files, be they init scripts, run scripts or Epoch .conf files, can be done offline using a conversion plus testing and touchup, and then used at boot time. SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 _

Re: [DNG] Conversion script: was Formail for managing digests

cies only of the daemon, kill them. Reload means sending the proper signal, and restart means stop then start. There are also a few logging issues. I'm not sure why this adds up to more than 200 lines in so many cases, and maybe if we had professional sysvinit i

Re: [DNG] Conversion script for maintainers

exists a conversion script that seems mighty thorough. I thought therefore that nobody in Devuan would need to create sysvinit scripts. Now if you're talking about s6, runit, Epoch and OpenRC, yes, script maintainers should be given knowledge of Unit Files. SteveT Steve Litt December 2019

[DNG] Process Supervision Rosetta Stone

ting with runit. Check it out at: http://troubleshooters.com/linux/init/rosetta.html SteveT Steve Litt November 2019 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@

[DNG] Conversion script: was Formail for managing digests

necessity a superset of script based systems, some human intervention will be necessary, but not a whole lot. Better news: There's an already made collection of runit run scripts, for the usual suspects, at http://smarden.org/runit/runscripts.html . I've put out a query for a similar coll

Re: [DNG] Please stop this nonsense - Was: Re: Formail for managing digests

pretty sure I'm right. [snip] > That's for the destructive/ranting part. > > > Now, on to the constructive/positive part. :-) Oh great, now I need to remove the procmail to /dev/null I just put on you. Because you're very right about actions, and you're taking action

Re: [DNG] Formail for managing digests

discussing. Thanks Ralph!!! SteveT Steve Litt November 2019 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Formail for managing digests

;s good. > One > possible scenario . . . if init freedom can survive long enough, > systemd might just trip over its own feet and go poof. Or perhaps IBM will get sick of this schtick and make Redhat dump systemd. Write IBM's CEO. > Hey, I can > dream . . . :D A lot of Mar

Re: [DNG] Formail for managing digests

e used for input, but the converter removes every last bit of systemdism before writing the output. Understand also this happens only once, and from then on the init-specific files are maintained as init-specific files. The converter is a one-time automated helper to quickly make starter files, confs a

Re: [DNG] Formail for managing digests

ript to work with each init, this should make life easier. SteveT Steve Litt November 2019 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 62, Issue 27

experience as you, and thereby declare their opinions not needing action. SteveT Steve Litt November 2019 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.d

[DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian: NOT Dng Digest, Vol 62, Issue 27

nd then testing and possibly tweaking the resulting daemon launch files. SteveT Steve Litt November 2019 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:34:19 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2019-11-24 19:23, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100 > > Denis Roio wrote: > > > >> At last, please, do not consider Devuan as an alternative solution > >> whic

[DNG] Affero: was - Init Freedom inJector (was: cannot exist without the help of Debian)

sure? SteveT Steve Litt November 2019 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

ec /usr/sbin/sshd -D Nice! I've been testing for functioning dependencies, and just quitting if not functioning, on the theory that eventually the dependency would be started. Your method is much more proactive. SteveT Steve Litt November 2019 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technic

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

, and if he'd succeeded in the 2014 GR, there would have been no need for Devuan. SteveT Steve Litt November 2019 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] INJ - Init Freedom inJector (was: cannot exist without the help of Debian)

; Devuan. I think Affero is a bridge too far, as it basically prevents people from making a profit using Free Software. Why not make it whatever license is most used in Devuan (probably GPL2 or GPL3)? I agree with spiralofhope not to use the "or later" designation, on any license, for

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

x27;d recommend this setup for anyone with a desktop or server requiring more than a few GB of disk space, or doing a lot of writes. SteveT Steve Litt November 2019 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 1

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

fstrim every day. Anyway, Edward's got a point, those with the opposite viewpoint have a point, so maybe the right thing is to empower the (perhaps not too knowledgeable) user to do the most advantageous thing on install. SteveT Steve Litt November 2019 featured book: Mana

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

Lack of a journal doesn't necessarily mean data loss. It just means that you might need to run fsck.ext4 on the drive after unmounting. Occasionally you do lose data: I think it has to do with crash shutdowns twice in a row without an intervening fsck.ext4. SteveT Steve Litt November 2

Re: [DNG] Raspberrypi 4

ng, you can do that with a 1 partition hard disk. I read the article and didn't see anything about the Rpi 2.4b. I wonder if that boots the same way. SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt __

Re: [DNG] Devuan as a rescue CD?

On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 21:41:36 -0400 fsmithred via Dng wrote: > On 10/26/19 5:06 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Has any of you been using Devuan as a rescue CD? If so, how has it > > been working out for you, and do you have any suggestions to make > >

[DNG] Devuan as a rescue CD?

a big problem using systemd for a narrow, contained usage like rescue, but I've also heard their project is foundering. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:44:11 -0500 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2019-10-10 13:52, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > On 2019-10-10 13:49, Steve Litt wrote: > >> On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 05:16:19 +1100 > >> Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > >> > >>&g

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 05:16:19 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi Steve, > > First off, I fully support your initiative. > > On 9/10/19 5:25 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > > I can't give you proof, but I

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

ters to IBM might things go quicker. SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 18:39:19 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > On Oct 01, 2019, Steve Litt wrote: > > [...] > > [1] In 2014 I probably had almost as many supporters on Debian-User > > as haters, but my supporters all left, leaving only the haters. > > I don't hate yo

[DNG] Sorry for the accidental email

sent it to the list. This has been a problem for me since this whole dmarc thing. Anyway, could all of you except Dimitris forget you ever saw my email? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitte

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

ters all left, leaving only the haters. SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] [D offlist NG] I wrote IBM

ut mentioning nazis. Thanks, Steve Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

tter. They > may need to find this out by themselves. Bothering? It's their job to receive letters from the public, and any half way smart business values feedback. SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/st

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:54:09 +0200 Evilham via Dng wrote: > On dg., set. 29 2019, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > On 2019-09-28 21:32, Steve Litt wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I just wrote IBM asking them to reconsider systemd, given that > >>

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 00:29:59 + Aitor wrote: > Hi Steve, > > El 29/9/19 a las 2:32, Steve Litt escribió: > > Hi all, > > > > I just wrote IBM asking them to reconsider systemd, given that IBM's > > business model is different from the old Red Hat'

[DNG] I wrote IBM

uan development effort, just to stay even. If I'm wrong, you lose a couple hours writing a letter. The web page for this letter writing campaign is as follows: http://troubleshooters.com/ibm_systemd/ Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.c

Re: [DNG] ..the D in Systemd is for Directories: Poettering says his creation will phone /home in future ... albeit with broken SSH login

od result. Which is why I asked for which people at IBM should be written to. SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] ..the D in Systemd is for Directories: Poettering says his creation will phone /home in future ... albeit with broken SSH login

sy to install. Does anyone know of people in IBM who would be appropriate receivers of letters pointing out that systemd is an unnecessarily convoluted problem? SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___

Re: [DNG] Help to install LiLo to a GPT HDD.

n chroot install. I don't think it had as much to do with GPT as the huge /dev/sda1. If I remember correctly, GPT puts a fake MBR right where you'd expect an MBR to be, and that fake MBR has all the right information, so I think LILO should be OK with that. SteveT Steve Litt Augu

Re: [DNG] New Tilda documentation

On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 11:19:29 +0100 s@po wrote: > Hi Steve, > > On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 01:20:53 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > What I still miss in tilda is a session manager, do > > > administrate remove servers, without been all the time

Re: [DNG] New Tilda documentation

dministrate remove servers? And how does "all the time typing" fit in? Perhaps I could figure out a way to make some of what you want happen. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt August 2019 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.t

Re: [DNG] New Tilda documentation

On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:24:28 +0200 Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 10:00:03 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > I know of three dropdown terminals: Guake, Tilda and Deepin > > Terminal. > > > There is also yeahconsole, a wrapper for xterm/rxvt: No fal

[DNG] New Tilda documentation

.com/linux/tilda.htm SteveT Steve Litt August 2019 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] dependency hell OR it should not be this hard

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 09:05:24 +0300 Shlomo Solomon wrote: > Let me start by saying that I'm not looking for a solution - I solved > my problem. I'm just angry and letting off some steam. [snip successful attempts using a ~10 step apt/dpkg witch's brew] I feel your pain. Probably we all do. And

Re: [DNG] Future of gNewSense: Debian or Devuan?

exactly what drivers and firmware to use, 3) Know where to find those drivers and firmware, 4) Know all the commands to correctly load those drivers and firmware from a thumb drive, and 5) Have enough spare time to go through all this. SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Troubleshooting

Re: [DNG] reinstalling GRUB2

oot-device"? Does it vary depending on MBR vs UEFI? So now you've installed Grub(2), but then how do you configure grub? Do your instructions vary depending on MBR vs UEFI? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of

Re: [DNG] EvilGnome spyware

ntioned as an accomplice. :D For the knowledgeable among us, the systemd accomplice goes without saying, because today's Gnome is nothing more or less than a systemd proxy. SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist

[DNG] What do you think of Wayland?

Hi all, What do you think of Wayland? I hear Buster now defaults to Wayland. I've always been under the impression that Wayland is just another overly complexified mess from Redhat and Freedesktop.org. SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques o

[DNG] removed encrypted file system? was date of publication of beowulf

please tell us the name of the encrypted filesystem and a URL describing the removal? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng m

Re: [DNG] dns vs connection manager

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 20:07:05 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > http://connectman.sourceforge.net/ CLI connection manager looks pretty cool, especially if I can team it up with UMENU. I might try it out as a substitute for using wpa_gui and wpa_password. SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured b

Re: [DNG] dns vs connection manager

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 22:14:45 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 08:34:59PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi Hendrik, > > > > It isn't just conman: It's all these silly "we do it all for you" > > networking helpers. I ju

Re: [DNG] dns vs connection manager

olv.conf Until Helpful Lennart decides his software should undo the +i or throw a hissyfit about not being able to change it, everything's cool. SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques __

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

mmit/4b58153dd22172d817055d2a09a0cdf3f4bd9db3 > > > > Are they crazy? Martin, close your ears for a second. J. Fahrner, Followthemoney! SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successf

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

the stationary bike's belt, building up entropy. Within 10 seconds boot begins! I've mentioned many times that although systemd holds out the promise of fast boot, it takes someone with my skills to bring that fast boot to fruition. SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Trou

Re: [DNG] Firefox-esr freezes ASCII

get their OS crashing. What browser do you use instead, Edward. All browsers suck, and I'm still looking for a good one. SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshoote

Re: [DNG] Runit service depend another script not daemon

On Mon, 08 Jul 2019 11:03:36 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > viverna - 06.07.19, 15:58: > > il devuanizzato Steve Litt il > > 06-07-19 > 07:24:37 ha scritto: > > >> Instead it's possible > > >> inject in all daemon's install a piece of

[DNG] Systemd sd_notify(): was Runit service depend another script not daemon

On Mon, 08 Jul 2019 10:54:58 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Steve Litt - 07.07.19, 01:26: > > I can't think of anything I or anyone could do, regarding runit > > runscripts, that would adversely affect sysvinit. As far as systemd, > > runit and s6 are neve

Re: [DNG] Runit service depend another script not daemon

On Sat, 06 Jul 2019 08:49:52 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Steve Litt - 06.07.19, 07:24: > > > It is not > > > difficult to think of the day when Debian will remove completely > > > sysvinit script in all packages. > > > > Pre-Cisely! > &g

Re: [DNG] Runit service depend another script not daemon

On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 20:35:45 +0200 viverna wrote: > il devuanizzato Steve Litt il 04-07-19 > 22:23:51 ha scritto: > >Hi viverna, > > > >I have a very different viewpoint than most people, so the following > >is *my opinion* and is not in the mainstream. > > &g

Re: [DNG] Runit service depend another script not daemon

On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 20:22:42 +0200 viverna wrote: > il devuanizzato Steve Litt il 03-07-19 > 01:09:55 ha scritto: > >On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 20:28:51 +0200 > >viverna wrote: > > > >> I'm not an expert of Runit and I want ask you how make a service > >

Re: [DNG] Runit service depend another script not daemon

and set off other mousetraps. I know it sounds like that. All I can tell you is that in the 4 years I've used runit, I've never detected a problem caused by non-determinism or a race condition. SteveT Steve Litt June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.t

[DNG] New Nginx documentation for beginners

Hi all, I just put up several nginx documents helpful to those who don't yet have a complete knowledge of nginx. You can access them all from the following URL: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/nginx/ Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times

Re: [DNG] simple-netaid from scratch

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 22:07:22 +0100 (BST) Jim Jackson wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:01:53 +0100 > > s@po wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 13:34:54 +0100 (BST) > > > Jim Jackson wrote: > > &

Re: [DNG] simple-netaid from scratch

ings *just doesn't matter*. And yes, as a matter of fact, I often do use "useless use of cat". Costs me nothing perceptible, and makes it easier to rearrange pipelines til I get them right. SteveT Steve Litt June 2019 featured bo

Re: [DNG] Install failure: cannot boot netinst

y wodim, but the two act similarly and have similar arguments. Device handling has changed a bit, and I usually have luck with dev=/dev/sr0 , assuming I have only one optical drive. Once you rule out a bad burn or a bad iso file, you can go back to troubleshooting the tough stuff. SteveT Steve Lit

[DNG] New VPN instructions using tinc

resource to your friends who aren't yet familiar with how VPNs work. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyn

[DNG] email clients: was Where to reply for Steve Litt

o happen, correctly, all the time. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Where to reply for Steve Litt

On Thu, 23 May 2019 15:21:30 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > Hi all, > > All: OH HAI! > > > There's been some discussion about whom to reply to. I guess it's a > > personal preference, and

Re: [DNG] calendars, contacts, to do lists

agnostic. In fact, by offloading middleman support to modules written by others, my software remains modular, DIYable, and easy to debug. SteveT Steve Litt June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive

[DNG] Where to reply for Steve Litt

y email address as the TO, and split the [DNG] so it looks like [D offlist NG], which not only warns me, but puts it in my inbox instead of my DNG folder, where I might accidentally reply to the whole list. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.t

Re: [DNG] Devuan AMI

go for clarity every time. The WAD needs serious consideration as to value. What, you don't know what a WAD is? Man, do I have to explain *everything*? See page 4 of http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/ninja_presentation.pdf . SteveT Steve Litt June 2019 feature

Re: [DNG] calendars, contacts, to do lists

On Thu, 23 May 2019 10:44:00 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > I'm looking for software to handle appointment calendars, contact > lists, and todo lists. VimOutliner is how you handle todo lists. It even has branch-wide completion statistics. Debian has a VimOutliner package, so I'd assume Devuan doe

Re: [DNG] [RFC] User services

On Sat, 11 May 2019 17:22:45 +0100 s@po wrote: > In the past Debian Wheezy had a tool for that, called 'chkconfig', it > was a lot used in the Datacenter.. # Adding a Service 'atsd': > chkconfig --add atsd; ln -s /etc/sv/daemonname /var/service/daemonname > # Enable the service in severa

Re: [DNG] User services

On Fri, 10 May 2019 21:12:15 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hi! > > Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus and > running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but whatever… > > tada… welcome to user services: > > https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-servic

Re: [DNG] New application ready to test: hopman

On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 12:11:02 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 24/04/2019 à 00:24, Steve Litt a écrit : > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:22:44 +0200 > > Didier Kryn wrote: > > > >>     Hello Devuaneers. > >> > >>     I have put on https://git.devuan.

Re: [DNG] New application ready to test: hopman

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:05:12 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 24/04/2019 à 01:05, Evilham via Dng a écrit : > > Am 24. April 2019 00:24:56 MESZ schrieb Steve Litt > > 3. Document the misbehaviour when users... Misbehave (okay, that > > was a bad joke). > >     Th

Re: [DNG] New application ready to test: hopman

On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:22:44 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: >     Hello Devuaneers. > >     I have put on https://git.devuan.org/kryn/hopman an application > to let mount/umount/open filesystems on hotplug mass storage devises > such as USB sticks or SD cards. This is a replacements for features > p

[DNG] In the words of Rodney King...

In the words of Rodney King (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King) : Can't we all get along? Can't we all put away our pea shooters, stop accusing each other, stop threatening to quit, stop quitting, come back and work on a huge pillar of the world's ability to use GNU/Linux without systemd?

[DNG] sysvinit replacement: was Please, inform users about the current 'health' of Devuan.

On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 12:20:52 +0200 aitor_czr wrote: > So, i'll give here > my opinion: any risky decision (as well as a replacement to sysvinit) > should be > taken in a devuan derivative and not in the devuan operanting system > per se,which is a base to build upon. Sounds good to me. As per

Re: [DNG] How to deploy an init.d script to Devuan 2.0 (ASCII)

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 18:54:31 +0200 Steffen Dettmer via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > At work I'm playing with Devuan in a VM supposed to replace > embedded systems. These systems have special proprietary software > which is deployed using a proprietary package manager, which > unfortunately does not supp

Re: [DNG] Way forward

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:21:06 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > I joined this project much before it was called Devuan, and I have > always considered it a battle worth to be fought, day after day. I > promised myself that I would have continued contributing to Devuan > until the day we would have started t

Re: [DNG] Way forward

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 16:19:38 +0200 Joril via Dng wrote: > On 11/04/19 16:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > >> Enzo, please enjoy your leave and come back soon. Speaking for > >> myself, you have my full and unreserved confidence. > > > > ..and mine. > > > > And mine! Mine too. And I think I s

Re: [DNG] Way forward

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:30:25 +0100 Rowland Penny via Dng wrote: > > I have said it before and I will say it again, the internet isn't > really the place for an April fools joke, Everyone knows that now, Roland, so let's just move on. SteveT ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Way forward

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:27:08 +0200 Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: > It was surprising to me to read what Jaromil wrote in one of his > replies regarding the April Fools prank. In short, the statement was > that Devuan takes no responsibility whatever the outcome of its use. Stop it Edward, this i

Re: [DNG] Way forward

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:46:13 +0300 Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 4/11/19 1:27 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > It was at least a perfect example that "politic correctness" takes > > out the fun of everything. Sorry that KatolaZ decided to leave, but > > quite understandable. > > this was no po

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