Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

n in peace. > > The poor cavemen are the guys with the huge, elaborate stone tools > ... :-> Not huge or elaborate. The tools we top developers (not poor cavemen) use are durable, effective, modular, and assemblable. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just t

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

l. It can run pretty much any OS as a guest. A container guest uses the host's OS, so the host must be Linux. The advantage is very, very quick startup and very low resources, not having to run an entire kernel in each instance. "Docker" is one implementation of a container. SteveT St

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

eve Jobs used to say, "there's an app for that": # "Systemd troll" Tobias Hunger :0: * From.*redac...@redacted.com * ^(To|Cc).*dng@lists.dyne.org /dev/null Like I said, life's too short. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshoo

Re: [DNG] Doing away with multi-threading in my project (netman)

mplete, but I'm pretty sure nothing about this problem domain requires execl(). Just have the back end running, and have the front end communicate with it in a simple and well documented manner of your design. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://ww

Re: [DNG] Doing away with multi-threading in my project (netman)

for one program to tell the other that info's ready for it, that's what SIGUSR1 and SIGUSR2 are for. Or at least what *I* use them for. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 19:45:08 +0100 Edward

Re: [DNG] [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project

o gcc > in the Makefile. I have never ever seen "../something" in an > #include > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ KatolaZ, Back in the day I used to do #include "/path/absolute" all the time. I'm pretty sure #include #include "../path/relative" would work

[DNG] OpenRC: was s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

ings like dhcpd and wpa_supplicant. I agree that OpenRC is better than world-dominator systemd and Upstart, but I'd choose sysvinit over it. And I'd *certainly* choose Epoch or any of the daemontools inspired inits (or even Suckless Init + daemontools-encore + LittKit) over it. OpenRC? I just don't get it.

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitu..?

iding behind) their written ways of doing things. So, as we consider the extent to which our society should be written down, we should consider that some future members of our society might not be as, for want of a better word, cool as we are. Remember, once upon a time Debian was truly a righteous

[DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming (was: What can I do after netman?)

icular slot into which it's plugged in is stupid, and if you take the box apart and move things around, you can break your OS. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mail

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

er, but even anti-systemd distros are going for this Freedesktop BS. Luckily, the following command is an easy way to see the names of your network interfaces: ip link | grep "^\S" | cut -d " " -f2 SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just t

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

to isolate just the info you want. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming (was: What can I do after netman?)

On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 00:08:58 +0200 (CEST) k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Hendrik: > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > Can we agree that ww shouldnn't have to change our configurations > > > if we do not change anything in the hardware? > > > > That would be a reasonable base

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:37:39 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: > JeremyBekka C wrote: > > I have been using my gmail account to read this mailing list but I > > would like to move over to a program specifically designed for > > mailing lists. I found mailman and it looks

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

IIRC wicd uses dbus, which is more and more being corrupted by freedesktop think, if not actual systemd dependencies. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng

[DNG] The systemd thought process: was What can I do after netman?

boiz is "it works great for me, so you don't need something different!" As if we all have the same use case. Oh, and just for the record, if a dbusless alternative to wicd appears, I'll use it every time. The less reliance my system has on dbus, the better I like it. SteveT Steve Litt Au

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

hat it's leaking like a sieve. I'm a brave guy, but I'm not going to recompile nCurses and everything that depends on it. I've asked Thomas Dickey several times for this change, and his attitude is "probably never." SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troub

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

gus to me. From what I understand, s6-rc gets rid of this dichotomy, which I consider artificial and created only for expediency. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng m

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

a one-shot. Demonstrating that nobody can come up with such a use case is not the same as proving that it can never happen in any use case. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ D

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

Wow Hleb, you're a dick! Don't worry, Jaromil, after this email I'll /dev/null him so as not to be tempted into a repeat performance. Here are the facts: While the rest of us, *especially* me, flapped our lips about a NetworkManager replacement, Edward actually did it. SteveT Steve Litt August 201

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

any service manager? Thanks, and keep up the good work! SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

should pick which suggestions go in. Later, when the project becomes stable, THEN put it in Git where everyone can have their way with it. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust

Re: [DNG] Where to find the latest Devuan that runs under Qemu?

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:23:43 -0400 fsmithred fsmith...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/27/2015 09:38 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Where can I find and download the latest Devuan capable of being run on Qemu (I assume this means an ISO, unless someone knows another way to do it). If you mean live

Re: [DNG] XFCE terminal alternatives?

thing I suggested is easily reversible. It's easy to flip between LXDE and Xfce. HTH, SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mail

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 15, Issue 14

:-) Check those digest subjects ;-) Steve On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:00:00 +0100 aitor_czr wrote: > Hi all, > > Patching my latest post: > > - grap > + wrap > > :) > > On 12/08/2015 01:00 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > > I forgot to add the changes to

Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

iling that, a copy of "GIT For Dummies" would suffice, except that there's no such book (and bozos unaware of trademark law label their little tutorials as "GIT For Dummies", making things even more difficult). Anyone know a good source of GIT learning that's self-discoverable and has a

Re: [DNG] APT pinning no longer works

on of > their freedom, being now unable to choose if a certain package should > be installed on their system. > > I am wondering what is Debian's rationale to do something like that? > anyone has more insights? Whoaaa, Jaromil, you're starting to sound like that Steve Litt guy. I k

Re: [DNG] APT pinning no longer works

Who, Edward, get down! Let me ship you one of my tinfoil hats so that I'm not the only one wearing one. SteveT On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 11:53:07 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Jaromil, > > In my opinion Debian are acting like a commercial entity: they want > their clients to

Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

> From: Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> > Subject: Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman. > > Anyone know a good source of GIT learning that's self-discoverable and > has a reasonable learning curve from know-nothing to expert? On Wed, 9 De

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

easier to use than Mutt. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

oblem is, how do > I quote other email threads? When working off a big, local IMAP server like I do, I find that what takes Thunderbird all night to open can take only 1 hour with Claws-Mail. If you're looking for a Thunderbird clone with a order of magnitude better performance and a more text e

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

the IMAP server owners publish their instructions for only Outlook and Thunderbird, and rely heavily on autodetection. Ugh! The following web page explains, in plain-folks terms, how to connect to IMAP servers: http://troubleshooters.com/emailtech/imap_troubleshooting.htm HTH, SteveT Steve Lit

Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

with interleave posting: Top posting is not, and throws all descendants of the top-posted reply into logical disarray. I'm copying my reply to another list where this subject has been discussed. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techni

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

iting, they obfuscate the whole thread tree below their reply. I'm not going to ascribe a motive or personal characteristic to this action and its result, but the action and result I articulated are the stone truth. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Su

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

ry poster, whether they're on gmail, mutt, or systemdmail. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@li

Re: [DNG] Pointer error in the backend of Netman

On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:28:15 + Rainer Weikusat <rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com> wrote: > *p = 5 > > is undefined behaviour. Not in the good old days. Anyone remember DOS' infamous B800 address? But of course in 2015, my response is offtopic. SteveT Steve Litt November 201

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

could recruit some of the massive brainpower exiting the Debian project? SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

ent called "Escape From Kmail" written in early 2012: http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:33:17 +0100 Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote: > Actually it takes more effort to *every* reader to read it > than it would take to the *single* writer to bottom-post. The preceding is the crux of the situation. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 f

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:33:17 +0100 Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote: > Actually it takes more effort to *every* reader to read it > than it would take to the *single* writer to bottom-post. The preceding is the crux of the situation. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 f

Re: [DNG] Please Adopt Bastille Linux Security Script for Devuan. Please.

this mailing list will not shout me down (the :-) Gregory, that you? Long time no hear. I guess I have to adjust my .procmailrc again. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troublesho

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:02:54 +0100 Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote: > Le 02/01/2016 18:39, Steve Litt a écrit : > > In other words, I don't think this stuff has to be compiled into > > the kernel monolithically: It just has to be in the right > > direct

Re: [DNG] Giving Devuan sans-initramfs capabilities

et the thing up, others would try it, and if there's demand, somebody would do the magic necessary to bring it into the package manager. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 __

Re: [DNG] Giving Devuan sans-initramfs capabilities

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 09:09:28 + KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 01:11:07PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:08:37 + > > KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > > > > > > > If your root fs

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 19:33:41 +0100 Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote: > Le 01/01/2016 18:07, Steve Litt a écrit : > > On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 15:45:49 +0100 > > Micky Del Favero <mi...@mesina.net> wrote: > > > >> Daniel Reurich <dan...@centurion.net.nz&

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 21:47:57 +0100 Micky Del Favero <mi...@mesina.net> wrote: > Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> writes: > > > This *is* poetterization, regardless of what Sun or anyone else did > > before. It's supported by Freedesktop.org, and I thi

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

; the tooling needed for that approach as packages for devuan. > > I agree with it And I'd be delighted with the ability to go initramfs-free, on my simpler pure ext4 systems. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist h

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

-necessitate initramfs for the purpose of finding executables in /usr. I bet the whole bunch will take less than 1GB of RAM. SteveT Steve Litt January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mail

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

forbid, you get stuck in there, you can dig your way out. SteveT Steve Litt January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Giving Devuan sans-initramfs capabilities

would make Devuan the only distro giving the user an easy choice of initramfs or not. Personally I'd do it for ext2 and 3 too, but I'm not greedy: If you give them this capability for ext4, soon enough you'll have a groundswell of people wanting it for 2 and 3, and it will be prioritized. SteveT S

Re: [DNG] Giving Devuan sans-initramfs capabilities

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 19:06:38 +0800 Brad Campbell <lists2...@fnarfbargle.com> wrote: > On 02/01/16 02:18, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> writes: > > > > [...] > > > For a real deployment, this is usually just hu

Re: [DNG] Giving Devuan sans-initramfs capabilities

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 18:35:29 + Rainer Weikusat <rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com> wrote: > Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> writes: > > Why does everyone think I was advocating the banishment of > > initramfs? Go back to my initial post and you'll see I was &

Re: [DNG] Giving Devuan sans-initramfs capabilities

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 18:35:29 + Rainer Weikusat <rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com> wrote: > Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> writes: > > Why does everyone think I was advocating the banishment of > > initramfs? Go back to my initial post and you'll see I was &

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:40:16 +0100 Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote: > Le 02/01/2016 03:25, Steve Litt a écrit : > > Everything you say above > > Sorry Steve if I overlooked your post. > > Debian has a tradition to do more in the initramfs than l

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

it. So why am I involved in this discussion at all? Because there's a debate over whether the merge aids the Poetterists, and there's no doubt about that in my mind: It does. And like Stephanie said several posts back, it sure was nice to set your grub command to /bin/sh, and come up in a working (though

[DNG] Anyone ever use statifier?

Hi all, Has anyone here ever used Statifier (http://statifier.sourceforge.net/statifier/main.html) to make executables sort of static? SteveT Steve Litt January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28

Re: [DNG] Windowmaker: was Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:03:40 + KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 02:47:35PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:46:04 +0100 > > richard lucassen <mailingli...@lucassen.org> wrote: > > > > > Pleas

Re: [DNG] Ummmm, no

you got it" distros like Void? Should "no dependency calculations necessary" packaging systems like Slackware's be forbidden, or mandatory? Must a liberal-artsy 4th grader use the same Linux as a nuclear scientist? What about USE CASE don't these people understand? LOL St

Re: [DNG] meta-comment re. build systems

tch me hand-compiling Firefox. But in my opinion, sometimes you're much better off kissing the package manager goodbye for a specific app, and using ./configure;make;make test;make install, or whatever else the README or INSTALL file tells you to do. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured bo

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

enu hotkeyed from Windowmaker or any other wm/de, then if your experience is anything like mine, your need for the Debian Menu will plunge to almost zero. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http:

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

class for communication with the system. > Which make easy to port. That sounds *very* nice. I've never heard it before. Thanks for letting me know so that when I get some time, I can try it. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the S

[DNG] Windowmaker: was Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

the loop. I'll tell you all the rabbit holes I've fallen down, and to the extent possible, I'll tech edit your presentation or document os John Q. Public can easily create a productive Windowmaker interface. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

; I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish! > IMHO, YMMV etc. > DaveT > > On 30/12/15 06:09, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:30:44 -0500 > > Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I installed LX

Re: [DNG] meta-comment re. build systems

ond, if I *were* to make a system to tell the init system that my service is ready to rock and roll, I'd either code my own that runs on ascii characters (and very few of them), or just use Laurent Bercot's method of sending a linefeed to some file or fifo or whatever. SteveT Steve Litt November 20

Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock's Twitter hijacked?

threatening via Twitter to > > commit suicide after being beaten by Police twice. See: > > > > https://twitter.com/imurdock > > account closed. > > http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ > > :/ Exactly what are you saying here? Is http://blog.docker.c

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

t;IMHO, YMMV etc. > > > Do you really think so? I'm a hooligan of PCManFM :) > > Like you, Altor, I prefer PCManfm, and moreover think Thunar to be a > piece of excrement... > Cheers, > > Ron. Ron, Except for Thunar's hit and miss handling of media like thumb

[DNG] Ummmm, no

eople most responsible for the randomized duct taping of Linux sometimes referred to as systemd. Still to be determined: In this case, is the correlation causational? SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troublesh

Re: [DNG] PAM usage

es ssh -X to facilitate screenshots on machines with other OS's. I spoze you could theoretically do it with a Qemu VM, but that would not yield as good images, IMHO. SteveT Steve Litt January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 __

[DNG] Don't feed the troll

Armstrong. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] #shitdevuansays: was Don't feed the troll

ht violation. Notice his graphic. Now look at this web page that I created long ago: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/systemd/lol_systemd.htm SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubl

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

C I'd make him/her justify doing so by proving it would be disadvantageous to write it in Python (or Perl or Ruby or Lua or Scheme or whatever). SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshoot

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:44:43 -0700 Gregory Nowak <g...@gregn.net> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 02:35:39PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > (Why /mnt ?) > > > > Tradition. It exists on all distros I've ever seen, and it's used > > for mountpoints

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 00:50:48 +0100 Teodoro Santoni <asbras...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey there, > > 2015-12-25 18:42 GMT+01:00, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com>: > > Anyway, if I stick in a thumb drive that contains > > partitions /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sd

[DNG] Is the Expat license compatable with Devuan?

distro? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

or this purpose. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

es piping one program into another. So, to find out about that, I'll talk to the authorities: The guys on the supervis...@list.skarnet.org list, where the biggest brains in the init and process supervision industry hang out. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troub

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 17:01:42 -0700 Gregory Nowak <g...@gregn.net> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 03:05:16PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > /mnt/sdd1 and /mnt/sdd2 would be incredibly easy to implement: I > > could have it done within an hour. > > > > The only th

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

/etc/rc.local. I predict I'll have something working by tomorrow night. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:02:49 + Rowland Penny <rpenny241...@gmail.com> wrote: > Will somebody please do what debian does when somebody says systemd > is bad on their mailing list -- Ban him! > > Rowland Calling Don Armstrong. Calling Don Armstrong. Don, we need you! :-)

[DNG] Life's too short to reply to trolls

his: Killfile and move on! SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] Devuan's goal: was Our friendly community

ast as we can, hopefully someday getting to the point where we can remove them just weeks after the obfuscationists put them in. Does that sound like the goal the rest of you remember? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Tec

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

one needs latest GTK but > there is only a version that is two versions behind. I wouldn't worry too much about any of this, because if we don't hurry up and put out a production Devuan, the future will be a moot point. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Te

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

e of devuan.org and read this: "We are working towards a stable, production ready fork of Debian Jessie, free from the entangling web of dependencies imposed by systemd." It's clear that, although choice is a huge priority, systemd is and has always been and will always be a special case.

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

ple exiting Debian slithered into the night instead of coming to Devuan. Unfortunately, I'm unable to post such an email myself (Don Armstrong saw to that.). SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Succ

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

hers. But when I hear "John Hughes" post several "libsystemd0 isn't that bad" posts on his very first day, well, Mr. Hughes' credibility descends. And when his credibility descends, one must consider the possibility that he's here only to stir up conflict. It's been tri

Re: [DNG] Name of the thumb drive automounter

On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 20:19:45 -0300 Emiliano Marini <emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote: > amountd LOL True story, I named the program to control it amtctl.py. I'll be dang if I'm going to let Lennart squat on a whole set of names. Steve Jobs has the clout to do that, not Lennart. Stev

[DNG] I've got the automounter running

this program run as a user other than root (which it's doing right now). But the good thing is, it's working, and IMHO it's working faster and more reliably than at least half the automounting addons, packaged with filemanagers, that I've tried.. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

ed apply. I had to install an OSS compatible mixer, but that wasn't hard. I've never been able to do that again, and think it would be a cool option for those who want to keep entanglement to a minimum. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Tec

Re: [DNG] I've got the automounter running

, enable you to assign an action (like unmount) to one of them. This will make it much less likely that a person will yank before unmounting. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technolo

Re: [DNG] I've got the automounter running

> suggest the user that removing the device right away is harmless and > > is the normal way. > > And the command to safely remove the devices should be easily > discoverable. Once we re using automount, we are talking about tools > that can be used by idiots.

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

ess features. HTH, SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mail

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

propose > > alsa-oss, > > Note that xfce4 in unstable doesn't support alsa anymore as sound > platform agnostic xfce4-mixer has been dropped. The replacement, > xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, is pulseaudio only. Eeeeuuu! They got to Xfce, apparently. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 fe

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

body even wanted. I'm a fan of a-la-carte myself. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://m

[DNG] Name of the thumb drive automounter

Hi all, If anybody sees a compelling reason not to call the automounter "amounter", please speak now or forever hold your peace. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

you pick your wm/de. Neckbeard that I am, I kinda wish you didn't have to hover everything on the screen to discover where you want to go next. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http

[DNG] amounter 0.2.0-alpha released

Hi all, You can grab the Amounter thumb drive automounter from https://github.com/stevelitt/amounter . Be careful: This code works for me, but it *does* do unmounts and rmdirs, and it's alpha quality code, so I'd test it first on a less important computer. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

ially since a lot of that nesting can be hidden in methods (I'm pretty sure that function pointers can be used as methods in C). But technically, what you wrote above isn't inheritance. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

ng any virtual > methods used. I'm pretty sure you could simulate polymorphism with logic that sets the struct's actual function pointer methods, but IMHO the mess that creates would exceed its benefit, kind of like the mess systemd creates exceeds its benefit. SteveT Steve L

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

development is in the mind of the developer. True, and you never *really* realize that til you've programmed in Lua, where there are probably a half a dozen different ways to OOP. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologi

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

oo and bar as long > as you don't mess with e. > > And, of course, you can have a pointer to a table of methods as the > first entry in all of these structures. Aren't C unions the "official" way to deal with these situations? SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book:

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

nd once your program is done, and the user interface is perfect, THEN you or others can use your program as a prototype and code other versions of it. Don't translate the Lazarus created Pascal to C. That would be a horrible decision. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Trouble

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