Re: [DNG] repackaging tutorial

On 01/09/2018 01:43 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: Are there instructions somewhere for taking apart a Debian package, making changes, and building a Devuan package? apt install debian-handbook Cheers and HNY to all :) ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] systemd'oh! DNS lib underscore bug bites everyone's favorite init tool, blanks Netflix

On 07/24/2017 11:37 PM, Ozi Traveller wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/24/underscore_domain_name_bug/ Oops! Actually (and TBH..), this is a bug in libidn2, which isn't in systemd source tree...at least for now ;> *

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On 07/23/2017 12:57 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: And, as this thread goes, you're not going to run a bloated DE on such an underpowered machine, are you? Traditional Amish buggy is undoubtedly efficient and usable transportation...for some people ;>

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On 07/21/2017 09:02 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: Cinnamon 3.0.x (only amd64) I think it's best to drop 32-bit support at all... it's such a waste of time and resources. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

Devuandom Welcome To The Pleasuredome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrnvPCSP6Q8 ;> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 07/16/2017 09:34 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: This thread has gotten ridiculously off-topic Smart people can choose to be smart or stupid, as it suits them better. The stupid have no choice... ;> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 07/15/2017 12:47 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Dylan fan, Hendrix fan, BSG fan, or all three? I wonder, I wonder... ;> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUq_T_Bhau8 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 07/14/2017 07:17 AM, Steve Litt wrote: philosopher NoI'm just a little grain of sand, on the Third Stone from the Sun :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7uJk0cb7Nw ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 07/14/2017 01:38 AM, Rick Moen wrote: I really do strongly recommend all of the above guidelines. All in all, all of the above guidelines can be defined in one line: "Don't f*ck with admins, we have root privileges.." :D ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

On 07/12/2017 07:18 AM, Brad Campbell wrote: Did I miss something Yes.. ;) When I wrote "recommends", and your interpretation of this word is "mandating", I have no choice but to think that your reading system is, to put it mildly, funny :) Cheers, Dragan

Re: [DNG] What is GNU/Linux?

On 07/12/2017 12:12 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: remote ads in etc/motd rm /etc/update-motd.d/* :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] What is GNU/Linux?

On 07/11/2017 11:38 PM, Svante Signell wrote: lendows (tm) Not alone.. :) http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-windows-10-loves-ubuntu-516922.shtml ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

On 07/11/2017 09:11 PM, Joachim Fahrner wrote: And what recommends Postgresql for BSD systems? "Don't install it"? Free unix software should run on ANY unix system, not only Poetteringware. I never tried on BSD, but on UNIX Pg runs fine :) https://www.postgresql.org/download/solaris/

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

On 07/11/2017 05:28 PM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: make it crystal clear: fuck off the upstream. Do you want to say that devuan users do not need any upstream that recommends systemd? For example, Postgresql? *** With PostgreSQL 9.6 or newer, it is recommended to build with

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 17.06.2017. 17:26, Steve Litt wrote: Are you nuts ? There are rumors, but there is no official evidence :) excusing the Gnome project for the *horrible design decisions* they've made. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't impose your *design* opinions on others and

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 17.06.2017. 19:46, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: The only interesting information would be: "Is it possible to install and run Gnome without having installed systemd ?" Of course it is possible...TRIOS is proof of concept for that. the only part that does not work(although it must be

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 17.06.2017. 02:39, Bruce Perens wrote: I don't see any problem with a generic interface to the things that libsystemd does , if one could be arrived at, or if the current API is sufficiently generic. I don't see any purpose that *any* package has a libsystemd dependency in distribution

Re: [DNG] package listing

On 17.06.2017. 00:46, Hendrik Boom wrote: I'm often iterested in the packages that are in the repos I have *not* specified in sources.list Maybe rmadison (devscripts) would help you? For example: - [dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ rmadison -u ubuntu -a amd64 libsystemd0 libsystemd0

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote: The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't prevent you from installing and using OpenRC. The presence of libsystemd0 means that devuan is not able to function without systemd. Dragan ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On 04/11/2017 01:27 AM, aitor_czr wrote: As i can see, lines like: As I can see, your version needs one more patch :) *** --- /media/dragan/TRIOS/TMP/Aitor/gvfs-master-64caae2fe2bdd1aeb2d65cdcdb326f170718eb2a/debian/control +++ /media/dragan/TRIOS/TMP/Adam/gvfs-1.22.2/debian/control @@

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On 04/10/2017 01:19 PM, aitor_czr wrote: I removed the dependency on *libsystemd0*: gvfs (1.22.2-1.0nosystemd1) nosystemd; urgency=medium * Non-maintainer upload. * Cure systemd infestation. -- Adam Borowski Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:28:04 +0100

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

The purpose of libsystemd0 is to enable packages whose code has been 'enhanced' with spurious systemd depedencies to work on systemd-less systems. That's absolutely not harmless. So, why not remove it? ;> TRIOS == excellence in simplicity :) *** [dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ cat

Re: [DNG] libsx-dev and libsx0 packages don't work

On 07/16/2016 04:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Unfortunately, I can't find the source code anywhere. ftp://ftp.ac-grenoble.fr/ge/Xlibraries/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On 07/13/2016 09:20 PM, KatolaZ wrote: That's why, although I appreciate efforts like yours and those of a dozen more who have been experimenting with pinning (we have done that as well, for months) Can you explain what is the *essential difference* between Pin-Priority: -1 for systemd

Re: [DNG] Debian 8 Jessie can be installed without systemd.

On 05/31/2016 09:05 PM, fsmithred wrote: I do know two ways to install debian jessie without ever installing systemd: 1) Install TRIOS 2) 3) :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] OpenRC

On 05/26/2016 01:23 AM, Steve Litt wrote: capability of respawning daemons that crash? OpenRC can't do that. OpenRC *can* do that: --- Automatic respawning crashed services --- https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] OpenRC

On 05/24/2016 02:06 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: Is there a link to an instruction how to use (and setup) openrc together with sysvinit? I'd like to use openrc as a tool to administrate daemons and services since i find it a lot more "logical" (easy?). TRIOS Mia is fully functional Debian

Re: [DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

On 05/01/2016 10:20 PM, Daniel Reurich wrote: I need this before migrating my wheezy workstation to Devuan Jessie. So it is urgently needed. Network manager without systemd dependencies :) http://mirror.org.rs/trios/mia/pool/main/n/ Cheers, Dragan

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

On 12/30/2015 12:03 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Out of the description it seems to come out of a Devuan dream, both for what it provides and for what it doesn't. You can try, deb packages are there: http://mirror.org.rs/lumina/ Source: git clone https://github.com/pcbsd/lumina.git briefly:

Re: [DNG] Devuan's goal: was Our friendly community

On 12/21/2015 11:03 AM, John Hughes wrote: At the moment things are all fucked up because there is no long term alternative to the seat management part of systemd and few people seem prepared to work on it. Utterly false claim...systemd is responsible for broken things. --- 1) TRIOS

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

On 12/20/2015 08:56 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: systemd-shim does not depend on systemd, and it conflicts with systemd. You cannot install both, as claimed by John Hughes. apt-cache rdepends systemd-shim systemd-shim Reverse Depends: systemd-shim:i386 systemd:i386 |xfce4-session systemd

Re: [DNG] Life's too short to reply to trolls

On 12/19/2015 07:33 PM, Steve Litt wrote: They damage the group If the group is so weak, that one opponent may threaten it, then something is wrong with that group, right? Be smarter, positive...expose arguments, not anger and "bans":) Math is simple...troll is only one, group has many

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

On 12/19/2015 01:05 PM, John Hughes wrote: people who don't want to use systemd are forced into running broken systems, so I would like to see useful work towards making it possible to easily run alternatives to systemd. You're obviously ignorant :) Rock-solid Debian-jessie-based system

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

On 12/19/2015 02:45 PM, John Hughes wrote: And all the little no-systemd irritations are fixed? hibernation/suspend and so on? I don't know...you can try for yourself.. :) BTW, I think that list of "little no-systemd irritations.." is much shorter than list of systemd irritations ;) Why

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch

On 11/02/2015 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Here are the distros I've heard of that have taken an absolute stand not to*ever* default to systemd: If I may remind you ... Devuan did not even exist when TRIOS was released :) Dragan ___ Dng mailing

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

On 10/17/2015 05:51 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote: Hi, Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/ Interesting. Debian

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote: Hi, Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

[DNG] TRIOS rEFInd test

Hello everyone, We made first *unofficial* TRIOS edition for testing on UEFI computers. http://mirror.org.rs/test/trios-uefi-test1-amd64.iso In addition to our already standard features (ZFS support, openrc init, removed systemd dependencies ..) there is one truly unique feature that

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

On 05/24/15 01:44 AM, James Powell wrote: SMF is more akin to uselessd, s6, and runit. It's an init system only. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/servers-storage-admin/intro-smf-basics-s11-1729181.html ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

On 05/24/15 02:01 AM, James Powell wrote: SMF still relies of various other daemons to work No, real case is exactly opposite...all other daemons relies of SMF. After initialisation, kernel creates PID 0 (sched), and after that, starts PID 1 (init). The init process reads the /etc/inittab

Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image

On 04/27/15 10:04 PM, Ingo Schmitt wrote: deprecated init system? A simple and stupid tautology...if you do not use something, that does not automatically mean that nobody uses :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image

On 04/27/15 11:37 PM, Steve Litt wrote: OpenRC edition was astounding. [root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# inxi -r Repos: Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free deb-src

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

On 03/ 5/15 06:38 PM, Anto wrote: Unfortunately, your php5-fpm depends on init-system-helpers. So I can not test that as I don't want to install init-system-helpers, which is Clean version of init-system-helpers, by Adam Borowski, is also in trios repo

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

On 03/ 4/15 04:00 AM, Anto wrote: I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS just now. I just removed the systemd from php-fpm, so everyone can test it. http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-systemd-testing/p/php5/ - [root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]#

Re: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed libsystemd0

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:17:23 +0100 From: Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org To: Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com, dng@lists.dyne.org, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net Subject: Re: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed libsystemd0 Message-ID:

Re: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed libsystemd0

Author: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton Date: 2015-02-17 18:49 +100 To: dng Subject: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed libsystemd0 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=119836 !! did anyone have a clue that this has already been done? i didn't!! :) why is this stuff so hard to

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:27:55 + From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop Message-ID:

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:39:26 + From: Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design Message-ID: 20150212103926.GA14149@fork Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 let me express my personal concern about the logo being too close

Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd

Author: Gravis Date: 2015-01-14 14:21 +100 To: dng Subject: Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd so about TRIOS, what's the deal with the forum site https://foss.rs? it claims in the metadata to be lang=en-US and thusly google _REFUSES_ to translate it because it's already in English.

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 4, Issue 23

Hi Dragan, thank you very much for your work. BTW, do you have any plan to provide a TRIOS webpage in english for the few of us who do not understand Serbian? :) HND KatolaZ Hi KatolaZ, Is it really possible that someone doesn't understand Serbian? ;) All joking aside..TRIOS

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News VII

*** It was not intended for publication but was a reading note. The process of team publication is not yet ready: it actually needs team work. What was meant is that the projects are similar in their intentions. == hk Ok, thanks for explanation, and sorry if i misunderstood something.

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 4, Issue 23

*** Jessie without systemd https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150108.222844.f83bac6d.en.html The TRIOS team introduces their semi-rolling Debian Jessie based OS that aims to work without Systemd. It still uses udev at this point. It looks very similar to Devuan, using OpenRC as

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News VII

*** Jessie without systemd https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150108.222844.f83bac6d.en.html The TRIOS team introduces their semi-rolling Debian Jessie based OS that aims to work without Systemd. It still uses udev at this point. It looks very similar to Devuan, using OpenRC as the

Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 at 3:38 AM From: Martinx - ジェームズ thiagocmarti...@gmail.com To: Dragan FOSS dragan.f...@gmx.com Cc: Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com, dng@lists.dyne.org dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd  If you know how to help us with the correct solution