Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2021-01-01 19:07, Hendrik Boom wrote: > It is that intermediate window manager that was responsible for border > sized and so forth. It couldn't draw the borders -- it wasn't attached > to a screen. It just told the server what to draw. Yes, of course. That is what I meant. Nonetheless,

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2021-01-01 15:05, Hendrik Boom wrote: > This kind of remapping, and others, such as managing window borders, > is done by the window manager in X. The window manager is a separate > process, doesn't need to be present, and can even run on a separate > machine from the client and/or server. I

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-12-31 12:21, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:53:51AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > It didn't have to be this way. In 2020, better alternatives could have > > been made. If I were the project manager, the first thing I'd do is > > uncouple keyboard, mouse and video

Re: [DNG] Overlay filesystems and readonly partition mounts.

2020-12-26 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-12-25 18:45, Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: > I read the suggested shell script to provide an overlay filesystem in > Raspbian and found nothing that can damage my setup. I will use that > script. All file writes will directed to RAM. Can you share a link to those instructions please?

Re: [DNG] Vdev [ was Re: if2mac init.d service for persistent network interface names]

2020-12-25 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-12-25 10:21, Steve Litt wrote: > Hearing this thread's perplexity, I long for the days of mknod. But that wouldn't have helped with the network interfaces, because (in an un-Unixy way) their names have never been file names on the systems we're discussing now. -- Ian

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-24 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-12-24 16:19, Rick Moen wrote: > > Another such an example is > >John and me went swimming. > > Here 'and' serves as a preposition. > > I'm not sure where the location is, where 'and' fails to be a > conjunction when used between two nouns in that fashion, but I'm > curious what

Re: [DNG] if2mac init.d service for persistent network interface names

2020-12-24 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-12-24 10:40, Hendrik Boom wrote: > And they seem no longer to be considered to be devices. They are not > present in /dev. They never have been there (under Linux), to my best knowledge (and my history is also long). Maybe you are thinking of some other system? -- Ian

Re: [DNG] if2mac init.d service for persistent network interface names

2020-12-19 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-12-18 21:28, tito via Dng wrote: > I love physical connections therefore I prefer NICs over Wifi, so 12 > of them are not so much (a few clients, a server, pos, couple of > printers, Nas, cash register, 2 modems...) No quarrel with the rest of your post, but I would do this with just one

Re: [DNG] snapd in Devuan? Dependency on systemd...

2020-12-01 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-12-02 01:09, Bernard Rosset via Dng wrote: > Certbot has removed support of certbot-auto for Debian-based systems Sorry, I feel contrarian today (and many other days too). So there: http://michael.orlitzky.com/articles/lets_not_encrypt.xhtml -- Ian

Re: [DNG] problematic mouse driver?

2020-11-22 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-11-22 17:13, Antony Stone wrote: > I _had_ thought there was this thing called "the clipboard" to which > copied text was, well, copied, and that it could then be pasted > afterwards into whatever you wanted, but indeed, it no longer exists > if you close the window it was selected from.

Re: [DNG] problematic mouse driver?

2020-11-18 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-11-17 06:07, Haines Brown wrote: > About the time I upgraded to Bwowulf I experienced periodic problems > having the mouse pasting scanneted text with middle mouse button. Do people in this thread know about PointerKeys, and that it is an honest X11 feature, not something added by Gnome

Re: [DNG] Configuring cron and exim4 to send e-mail after running cronjob

2020-11-15 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-11-15 09:02, kdibble wrote: > msmtp works well for these type of things. > > Beware though as the package includes an apparmor profile which can > cause problems if you don't use the defaults. _And_ unless you turn off apparmor. Sorry if this is obvious. But I concur with the

[DNG] DNS separation

2020-11-05 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-11-03 02:36, Steve Litt wrote: > When it comes to separation of authoritative and resolver parts of DNS, > the documentation from the old djbdns makes it very clear, and is an > excellent starting point. I have just acted on this as well, and now authoritative answers for my domain are

[DNG] OT: uBlock origin on Firefox: where's the data?

2020-10-11 Thread Ian Zimmerman
I would like to regularly back up my uBlock settings, and do it in an automated way. That is, I want to avoid clicking through the "Export to file" dialog every time, because I always forget to do it, and because it is dumb. So where is the data in fact stored? Let's start with the subscription

Re: [DNG] Is t worth the effort for SPF?, DMARC>, DKIM?, etc

2020-10-02 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Relevant post and discussion on Ian Jackson's blog: https://diziet.dreamwidth.org/6947.html -- Ian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] (Almost) no sound under Beowulf

2020-10-01 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-10-01 13:23, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > So if you have no pulseaudio and audio is ok with firefox-esr 78, IMHO > it should mean that the ff release you have has been built with ALSA > support (nice if they have restored it!!!) or that you run ff throught > apulse... No apulse either.

Re: [DNG] (Almost) no sound under Beowulf

2020-09-30 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-09-30 20:02, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Firefox, from a certain version onwards (sorry but I don't remember > which one), removed support for ALSA from the default build > configuration (maybe it will be restored in the future, I don't know > if it has already been but I don't think so),

Re: [DNG] ..devuan to the rescue? Easiest possible newbie email server setup, ideas?

2020-09-27 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-09-27 19:11, Simon Hobson wrote: > You mean, like in the web hosting days before hostname headers where > you needed a different IP address for each hosted domain name ? That's > very 20th century and not a luxury most of us have. FWIW, Linode (where my sole server is hosted) gives me a

Re: [DNG] Failed run live usb iso

2020-09-27 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-09-26 18:29, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > did you do a "sync" afterwards and waited till it returned? If not, > then the image was not written completely. You can monitor the writing > process with "watch iostat" (if you have sysstat installed) Or run dd with oflag=direct. I also try to

Re: [DNG] ..devuan to the rescue? Easiest possible newbie email server setup, ideas?

2020-09-25 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-09-24 12:07, Rick Moen wrote: > I've had no problems _without_ DMARC/DKIM (but with a strongly > asserted SPF record). Have been operating home *ix SMTP smarthosts on > static IP with matching rDNS, and maintaining a clean, high-reputation > system since the 1980s. > > I've tried to

Re: [DNG] OT? Re: ..devuan to the rescue? Easiest possible newbie email server setup, ideas?

2020-09-23 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-09-23 12:15, terryc wrote: > The norm seems to be to just accept everything and process it, but > until recently, all my internet services cam with a data charge. So for > our domain, the easiest & cheapest method is just to block known > spammers and not pay data charges. Much depends

Re: [DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility

2020-09-22 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-09-22 17:25, Antony Stone wrote: > If you're writing portable scripts you don't want to rely on symlinks > pointing to the same targets on everything. > > If your scripts aren't (intended to be) portable, then it really > doesn't matter - do what you like in the privacy of your own

Re: [DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility

2020-09-22 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-09-22 11:21, Steve Litt wrote: > I would never use Bash in a shellscript. I think that's a bit too strong. Some scripting situations are a perfect fit for the shell with the exception of one or two little features missing in the POSIX shell but present in bash. My top examples would be

Re: [DNG] Xorg stopped working after upgrade to Beowulf

2020-09-22 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-09-22 11:10, Steve Litt wrote: > Second, a more security-respecting solution is there might be a group, > which your users can belong, that allows them to run X. Perhaps > group video ??? I just looked at /usr/bin/Xorg on my Void box and it's > not suid anything. I performed some ls

Re: [DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility

2020-09-17 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-09-17 20:34, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > apt install netplug wpasupplicant ifupdown I happen to dislike ifupdown almost as much as NetworkManager. It is a poorly documented opaque mess. The fact that it's a debian invention (AFAIK) and not an import from RH-land is about the only

[DNG] dynamic resolver configuration [Was: Danger: Debian POSIX hostility]

2020-09-16 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-09-16 02:11, Steve Litt wrote: > Speaking of Netowrk manager, am I the only one who hates it messing > with /etc/resolv.conf? You know what I'd like? I'd like > /etc/resolv.conf to be a symlink to one of many files, such as > resolv.dhcp, which *could* be modified by the network manager,

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

2020-09-05 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-09-05 13:41, Hendrik Boom wrote: > This seems to say we now have two independent levels of bad block > checking. > > When the low-level one fails, the other takes over. I't expect the > file system to be unlikely to see bad blocks until the drive is hosed. That is true if the drive is

Re: [DNG] Question

2020-08-25 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-08-25 08:47, Joril via Dng wrote: > > Have found that devuan 3.0 or Beowulf is the present stable > > product. Is there a 'testing' equivalent Devuan product? > > I believe you are looking for Devuan Chimaera? > See https://devuan.org/os/releases Can you mix releases with the

Re: [DNG] terminology

2020-08-23 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-08-23 03:19, spiralofhope wrote: > > Is there an establiched word in the Linux/Unix xommunity > > for something which might be a file or a directory? > > Perhaps something like inode? struct stat ;-) -- Ian ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] my experience upgrading to NFT

2020-08-03 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-08-02 22:35, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Does iptables still work on beowulf? As long as you use update-alternatives to choose /usr/sbin/iptables-legacy. Please see the other subthreads - I am new to this topic myself, in fact I have not realized until today that I was running nftables for

Re: [DNG] my experience upgrading to NFT

2020-08-02 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-08-02 17:00, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I upgraded one of my larger and more complex servers from ASCII to > > Beowulf. Switching to NFT was very easy after the upgrade. Just > > create > > What is NFT? nftables, the slowly arriving successor to iptables. -- Ian

Re: [DNG] Signature filtering (was: Devuan 3.0 Orca Problem)

2020-07-26 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-07-26 10:26, Steve Litt wrote: > For procedural reasons I haven't been using the double-dash, but I'm > going to start trying to use it again. I configure my mutt/neomutt to render sigs in white on light background :-) I _can_ still read it if I really strain my eyes. -- Ian

Re: [DNG] OT: mpv drops GNOME support

2020-07-21 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-07-21 11:15, Simon Walter wrote: > I love the poetry a commenter left. He knows how I feel. Yeah, that sums it up perfectly. I'm thinking of making an email sig again :P -- Ian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Merged usr consequences [Was: Upgrade problem]

2020-07-08 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-07-07 12:20, Steve Litt wrote: > You need certain executables, pre-mount, before a separate /usr can be > mounted. These went in /sbin, which is on the root and always > available. If you could mount the root partition, you could proceed. > > But now, if you mount /usr somewhere off the

[DNG] Merged usr consequences [Was: Upgrade problem]

2020-07-07 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-07-07 11:26, Steve Litt wrote: > Void Linux also symlinks all the various *bin directories together, > even though it's a runit distro. My objection is this merge forces you > to have an initramfs. This doesn't sound right, can you explain why you need an initramfs with merged /usr if

[DNG] annoying pulse symlinks

2020-06-20 Thread Ian Zimmerman
This is a Debian question, but I don't expect any difference between Debian and Devuan in these matters, and I feel I have a better chance getting a useful answer here. Roughly once in a blue moon, "something somewhere" creates a symlink of the form

Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab

2020-06-12 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-06-12 17:01, J. Fahrner via Dng wrote: > I'm running Devuan Beowulf on an Odroid C2 mini computer. Since it's > internal flash disk is limited, I run it with an external usb drive > attached. When this disk is active in /etc/fstab the boot process > hangs forever. Distribution kernel or

Re: [DNG] Debian abandons LSB

2020-06-11 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-06-11 11:46, Simon Hobson wrote: > > > What's left in Debian are bits that are actually used by some > > > programs. > > > > Such as the LSB headers in init scripts? > > > > Some SysV init maintainers have very strict opinions on those > > headers, considered a language for the insserv

Re: [DNG] Out of data ca-certificates causing problems with wget and curl now...

2020-06-01 Thread Ian Zimmerman
> $ wget -v4U "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 > Firefox/60.0" https://www.idrix.fr/VeraCrypt/canary.txt--2020-06-01 09:15:48-- > https://www.idrix.fr/VeraCrypt/canary.txt > Connecting to 127.0.0.1:8118... connected. > ERROR: The certificate of ‘www.idrix.fr’ is not trusted.

Re: [DNG] kernel instabilities

2020-05-29 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-28 16:15, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I can't say I understand the version numbers -- both 4.9.0-6 and > 4.9.88? *-4.9.0-6 is the deb package _name_, 4.9.88 is the version (based on kernel.org source version). Confusing, yes, but nothing new, except possibly uname being able to report the

Re: [DNG] LILO Framebuffer and X screen resolution

2020-05-28 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-23 14:36, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: > I have been using Debian for the last 20+ years. I don't like systemd > and that has kept me on Stretch, where I can still use SysV as init. I > have tried several times to upgrade to Buster without SysV, but have > had no luck. So here I am at

Re: [DNG] Mixing different init benefits: was: without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-26 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-26 17:51, Didier Kryn wrote: > Did it exist prior to the creation of Systemd? I think it depends on how you count. There was a predecessor project called dmd which was created to be PID 1 on Hurd. If you count dmd then it precedes systemd, otherwise not. -- Ian

Re: [DNG] Mixing different init benefits: was: without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-25 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-21 14:09, Steve Litt wrote: > * Busybox init > * Epoch > * OpenRC > * Runit > * s6 (plus s6-rc) > * Suckess init plus [daemontools | runit | s6] > * systemd > * sysvinit * GNU Shepherd ? https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ -- Ian ___

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-20 18:45, Steve Litt wrote: > It really is just that simple. There's no need to add anything to > accommodate badly behaved init system authors. I wanted to add: 5. reaping orphan processes when they die but I had the good sense to read the wikipedia article "Orphan process" first,

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-18 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-18 16:42, Didier Kryn wrote: > In particular by porting Window$ on top of Systemd-Gnu-Linux, just > like MacOS lives on top of FreeBSD and makes big profit. How would that work from the legal POV? Linux is still GPL, pretty much for this very reason. I do believe that systemd was

Re: [DNG] tobacco patch?

2020-05-16 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-16 16:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > What do you mean by "tobacco patch"? It's an analogy with a medical device used to help smokers with quitting. -- Ian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-16 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-16 13:10, Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > I meant multiple subtrees of device node files classified in lots > of different and overlapping ways, by-uuid, and on and on. I'll take that one :-P Last year I nearly lost all my image and audio data, some 100G. I guess that's small potatoes

Re: [DNG] Check default_transport if you can't send email through Postfix

2020-05-15 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-12 23:58, Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > Passing along as Postfix is now default MTA for Devuan/Debian. > Untested by this reporter. (Personally, I still like Exim4.) Hi Rick :) Is there a reference to a Debian mailing list (or a similar digital history document) where the decision to