Re: [DNG] On talk.do and Web forums

2016-09-28 Thread Peter Olson
n enormous interface. We need only an iota of it to work well. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-16 Thread Peter Olson
ght? It would require a separation in PID1's RC to move supervisable things into the other list, or perhaps a way for a PID1 supervisable task to ask for other supervision. Bleah, this could be more clearly expressed :-) Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Which license for UMENU2?

2016-08-23 Thread Peter Olson
T and BSD licenses > and the X11 license. What complication don't you like about GPLv3+ ? > Any opinions on which to choose? > > Thanks, > > SteveT Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over

2016-08-19 Thread Peter Olson
"ready to use" again. I'm able to vote multiple > times because I'm originally from Chicago. Boston has dibs on that as well. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] GRUB shell

2016-08-18 Thread Peter Olson
> On August 17, 2016 at 9:32 AM fsmithred <fsmith...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 08/17/2016 07:09 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > On 08/17/2016 12:32 PM, Peter Olson <pe...@peabo.com> wrote: > >> What does "e" plus

Re: [DNG] GRUB shell (was: vdev)

2016-08-16 Thread Peter Olson
> On August 14, 2016 at 7:12 AM fsmithred <fsmith...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 08/14/2016 05:50 AM, Peter Olson wrote: > >> On August 14, 2016 at 5:31 AM Arnt Karlsen <a...@iaksess.no> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> ..one neat thing abo

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-14 Thread Peter Olson
s I can tell, Grub has no help built in. You have to be an expert to use it. What does "e" plus tab key twice do? Is there some way I could try this on a system which boots successfully to find out about this? Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-12 Thread Peter Olson
terday, already read. But in either case, it shows up in an incongruous position in the discussion thread, where I cannot make sense of the discussion. Please fix this. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Bootloaders (was: SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs)

2016-08-10 Thread Peter Olson
> On August 10, 2016 at 3:01 AM Simon Hobson <li...@thehobsons.co.uk> wrote: > > Peter Olson <pe...@peabo.com> wrote: > > > I have a machine in that state right now, and rather than try to debug it > > at the Grub prompt, I am just going to reinstall the sy

Re: [DNG] Bootloaders (was: SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs)

2016-08-09 Thread Peter Olson
> On August 9, 2016 at 11:06 PM Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > > Quoting Peter Olson (pe...@peabo.com): > > > Of course, it is difficult to shoot yourself in the foot with GRUB ... > > > > > > I have a machine in that state right now, and r

Re: [DNG] Bootloaders (was: SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs)

2016-08-09 Thread Peter Olson
> On August 9, 2016 at 3:04 AM Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > > Quoting Peter Olson (pe...@peabo.com): > > > I apologize for top-posting, but I have no idea what you are talking about. > > > > For the record, I am not fond of GRUB2 either. >

Re: [DNG] SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs.

2016-08-09 Thread Peter Olson
I apologize for top-posting, but I have no idea what you are talking about. For the record, I am not fond of GRUB2 either. Peter Olson > On August 9, 2016 at 1:52 AM Edward Bartolo <edb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Considering the fact that many Linux users moan about not bein

Re: [DNG] Fearsome rumblings from GNU

2016-08-07 Thread Peter Olson
got lost in the forwarding?) I haven't looked into the changelog of coreutils to try to find out, but it would be helpful to know what is at issue here. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-16 Thread Peter Olson
> On July 16, 2016 at 4:47 AM Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > I'm a fan of Donald Knuth as well. My funny story is that when I > > was in college, I got an offer from Addison-Wesley to preorder the > > s

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-16 Thread Peter Olson
sily. It is more expensive :-) If you have ever used the other tape to secure cables to the floor and then uprooted those cables when tearing down, you will know the misery of trying to remove the other kind of tape now wrapped seamlessly around the cable. Peter Olson ___

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Peter Olson
> On July 15, 2016 at 5:12 AM Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > You misunderstand what the IOCCC is about. It's a game. Nobody > > trying to write useful code will do anything like what IOCCC writes. > >

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Peter Olson
is: if (literal == value) stuff; and not if (literal = value) stuff; which the compiler will flag as an error. The compiler is your friend, if you help it a bit. Peter Olson > those who are attacking are only interested in making disguised > personal attacks to dissuade me from

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-07-08 Thread Peter Olson
> closing bracket. If more brackets follow the process should be > repeated. What happens with a = b((7, c[3)]) Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] OT: Algol w, 68, Pascal, Ada

2016-07-05 Thread Peter Olson
y use > the same words to denote basic types (Boolean, Integer, Natural), and > they're wordy. > > Didier An anecdote about Niklaus Wirth: He said he was once asked how to pronounce his name, and replied, "If you call me by name, it is Neeklaws V

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-06-24 Thread Peter Olson
ted it :-) The whole idea of := or assignment in general is suspect. Use a functional programming language like Scheme/LISP, Haskell, or OCAML instead. > Not trying to start a flamewar. Just demonstrating that there is a > different opinion possible regards this. :-) Peter O

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-06-24 Thread Peter Olson
On 2016-06-24 12:17, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Peter Olson <pe...@peabo.com> writes: >>> On June 23, 2016 at 10:48 AM Edward Bartolo <edb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> if (count > 0) >>> while(putchar(' ') && --count); >> >> I strong

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-06-23 Thread Peter Olson
error message if you type only one = in the latter form, whereas the first form will happily execute by setting abc to 42 and always taking the true clause. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-06-20 Thread Peter Olson
ram structure */ if (checkError (stdin, argv[0])) return 1; /* this version checks for errors */ if (checkError (stdout, argv[0])) return 1; /* I didn't actually reproduce this error, it is hard to test */ return 0; } I

Re: [DNG] package request

2016-06-14 Thread Peter Olson
> On June 14, 2016 at 1:43 AM Irrwahn <irrw...@freenet.de> wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 00:37:59 -0400 (EDT), Peter Olson wrote: > > [About possible branding issues for a hypothetical > future Pale Moon package in De(vu|bi)an.] > > > This is why ther

Re: [DNG] package request

2016-06-13 Thread Peter Olson
owsers, and it's > more stable than the webkit based browsers. My thanks also, I have been using it too. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] resolved

2016-06-07 Thread Peter Olson
te issues that we might like to be concerned about. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Peter Olson
g evolution of programs like grep because now they have to support Unicode and who knows what else? Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-29 Thread Peter Olson
are UX ideas that have merit. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Peter Olson
> > sudo vs su is an interesting decision to make, but not allowing root > login is a matter of too much security to get your job done. Or you can sudo, edit /etc/passwd to change your login directory temporarily to something not in /home, logout, and log

Re: [DNG] hashtag retarded

2016-05-09 Thread Peter Olson
ith the OT or trolling messages here. > Some may argue this is the strategy adopted by enemies of init > freedom, which may be correct. However, sometimes one has to adopt an > adversary's strategy if it proves to be the only possible of way > solution. > &

[DNG] booting old system on a different partition

2016-05-08 Thread Peter Olson
. Gotta love grub, which is useful only when nothing is wrong :-) Any advice about how to proceed? Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Why I was away.

2016-05-05 Thread Peter Olson
> On May 5, 2016 at 12:53 PM Edward Bartolo <edb...@gmail.com> wrote: [...] > Some may think I am insane, but sometimes even the company of a four > legged friend can be beneficial. > > Edward And it runs another OS which is free of sys

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

2016-05-03 Thread Peter Olson
y contain programs for administrative purposes such as adduser which require privileges and are not needed by user logins or might not be expected for ordinary user access. On some distros ifconfig is in one of these and isn't visible to the user, even though it might be us

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Peter Olson
wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_butlers for some ideas. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Icerbergs aren't small just because they're mostly underwater

2016-01-26 Thread Peter Olson
> On January 26, 2016 at 2:30 PM Rainer Weikusat > <rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com> wrote: > > Peter Olson <pe...@peabo.com> writes: > >> On January 25, 2016 at 5:54 PM Rainer Weikusat > >> <rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com> wrote: > > >

Re: [DNG] Icerbergs aren't small just because they're mostly underwater

2016-01-25 Thread Peter Olson
es for it. Also: Windows and Mac path names follow different rules. Use the libraries. I actually like the example of Python's os.path library, which implements a unified set of portable routines for manipulating path names. Peter Olson Off topic P.S.: memoize means somethi

Re: [DNG] Icerbergs aren't small just because they're mostly underwater (was: "Common knowledge?"-question)

2016-01-25 Thread Peter Olson
ve and hacking. > > KatolaZ This also brings up the question of whether you should roll your own get_name or use basename(3) which already does the same thing except in some edge cases. It's easier for the student to understand the code if it is implemented as get_name, but the student ought

Re: [DNG] "Common knowledge?"-question

2016-01-23 Thread Peter Olson
> On January 23, 2016 at 1:36 PM Rainer Weikusat > <rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com> wrote: > > Peter Olson <pe...@peabo.com> writes: > 5>> On January 22, 2016 at 4:34 PM Rainer Weikusat > <rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com> wrote: >

Re: [DNG] "Common knowledge?"-question

2016-01-22 Thread Peter Olson
by clearing the sixth bit. I'm unhappy for two reasons: the failure mode of alloca is SIGSEGV or some other malfunction and there is no way to test for it the *buf &= ~0x20; breaks for UTF8 strings. Nevermind that the function implicitly references stderr except when it d

Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-17 Thread Peter Olson
, usually for the purpose of drawing a contrast. The abbreviation cf is sometimes mistakenly used to mean see also." Usually it written differently ... "blah, blah, blah, cf. this other thing" However, other Latin abbreviations are used this way, cf. "q.v", &qu

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

2015-11-13 Thread Peter Olson
to > strawman the conversation away from monolithic entanglement, [snip] > Proud or not, you don't want to assist the systemd marketeers in > shutting down discussion about systemd's architecture, do you? "discussion about systemd's architecture" I have to smile ... what discus

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Peter Olson
> On September 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM Laurent Bercot <ska-de...@skarnet.org> wrote: > > >> if you can confirm the plan of releasing s6-rc within september > > I confirm it. > > And, lo and behold, I'm on schedule for once. > s6-rc-0.0.1

[DNG] Messages from the future (Was: Re: [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project)

2015-09-17 Thread Peter Olson
> On February 24, 2032 at 3:32 PM aitor_czr <aitor_...@gnuinos.org> wrote: Your last few messages have had Date: lines far in the future. Check your clock! Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.or

Re: [DNG] Programming languages for netman?

2015-09-12 Thread Peter Olson
, but Americans call him by value. Sorry, couldn't help myself :-) Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Debugging netman auto-connect.

2015-09-11 Thread Peter Olson
h some variation *Joseph-Louis Lagrange* :-) Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Linux-related critique

2015-08-18 Thread Peter Olson
. They regurgitate :-) Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] many packages VS. one package, was: Re: dng@lists.dyne.org

2015-07-17 Thread Peter Olson
that have nothing to do with installing (or even identifying by name) the package I want, not to mention how complete the doc/devel/debug environment I might like. /rant Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-15 Thread Peter Olson
changes with vi, quite simply, which had to be repaired by source code control :-) :-( Well, I probably could have done that with any other of multiple editors. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-04 Thread Peter Olson
Cubic ( http://cubicboard.org/ ) and OpenCores ( http://opencores.org/ ) has been around for a while. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-03 Thread Peter Olson
software, we'd be using Windows. +1 Peter Olson (apologies if this duplicates a reply sent from the wrong email address which might pass moderator approval) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-03 Thread Peter Olson
in general. But I don't want to make it easy for people who could install fine with the free installation to select the other one just in case. There is possibly an opportunity to gather information about what cases don't work with the free download. Peter Olson

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-05-03 Thread Peter Olson
that might qualify. Here's a starting point if you are interested in learning more about it: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/06/02/the-beos-filesystem/ Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread Peter Olson
On March 22, 2015 at 6:29 AM Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Peter Olson wrote: RMS didn't call me a troll, he answered the question. Somebody else took it upon himself to refer to the question as trolling. I haven't decided yet whether to speak to that person

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Peter Olson
systemd? No. I know it's free software, so you can make your own opinion about it. #lp2015 The exact quote is Do you have an opinion about the prevalence of systemd in most distributions? Peter Olson follows up Stefano Zacchiroli (former Debian leader and present board member of OSI

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-21 Thread Peter Olson
, etc.). Miles Fidelman Freedom 0 probably already covers this. The freedom to run a program, as you wish, includes the freedom not to run the program, if that is what you wish. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-21 Thread Peter Olson
whether to speak to that person tomorrow about it. Peter Olson Well, RMS doesn't do anymore development work as far as I know, so maybe his opinion doesn't matter. Still, as a well-known time-honored spokesperson for free software (I know he doesn't want us calling it open source) I would have

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Peter Olson
the initial citation of A to B and A will be none the wiser. Doubtless there are other worms in this can, so I rest my case. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Beginning of Devuan Dmenu Howto

2015-03-01 Thread Peter Olson
still don't know how Devuan's dmenu package will look. Does dmenu act without me pressing Enter? I'm wondering what happens when I make a typo that happens to match the name of a program I never heard of. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Peter Olson
hurled into it. Superimpose a circle bar left over it to prohibit it. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

2015-02-16 Thread Peter Olson
, or the safety of the user interfaces. -- hendrik “Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.” ― Edmund Burke Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Peter Olson
and systematic attack. Well, don't read too much literally into this except to note that we all know that systemd subverts this. It's not just the Unix way, it's the reliability way. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-16 Thread Peter Olson
guidance (RFC/config-etc). Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

2015-02-16 Thread Peter Olson
On February 16, 2015 at 8:25 PM Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 07:34:57PM -0500, Peter Olson wrote: “Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.” ― Edmund Burke Peter Olson I think the original quote was by Santayana: George

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Peter Olson
and MD126. But I still didn't know how to fix it. Unfortunately, the upgrade was mandatory to fix a fatal flaw in the version of ecryptfs in the previous version which had destroyed some of my files. I switched to a different distro to get around this. Peter Olson