Re: [DNG] Red Hat ends KDE support

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 15:40:56 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I bounced to Mandrake briefly then Suse for an even shorter time before > > realizing that apt was better than rpm and became a Debian user. > It was the janitor at my local church that told me to switch form Mandrake > to Debian.

Re: [DNG] Repent! [Re: No spaces between menus in XFCE terminal.]

On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 03:59:47 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>   Thou shalt be flogged for uttering this  blasphemy! > > De gustibus non est disputanum. >   Thou shalt have no other theme than DarkPurpy! And me thinking Linux was all about user's freedom of choice... Cheers, Ron. --

Re: [DNG] Unbound details: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:04:36 +0100 Simon Hobson wrote: > Ouch - like I said, the message is clear that they don't want to support and > promote it. Given that one of the main reasons for people to run OS X Server > is for the "easy to use GUI", I'd say that it pretty well removes most of the

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 23:07:46 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > 1. If you have alsamixer installed, see if anything is muted. Or in pavucontrol Cheers, Ron. -- The magic of our first love is our ignorance that it can ever end.

Re: [DNG] I'm not going to respond to messages like that.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 23:06:59 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > 'The failure mode of clever is "asshole."' This is a family list; so: 'The failure mode of clever is "orifice".' Cheers, Ron. -- The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new

[DNG] An eudev oddity ?

Given a USB pendrive that was one used to hold a Linux install .iso (dd ... of:/dev/sdi...) then formatted and used as /dev/sdi1 to store data. When plugged in, I see it appear in the PCManFM "Places" as both sdi and LABEL; either can be mounted, and its content browsed, opened, etc. Is the

Re: [DNG] Web browser needed

On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 16:13:46 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Begging your pardon, but I suspect you are proposing a solution before > making sure you understand what the problem is. Very possibly > In your shoes, I would attempt a manual connection using the openssl > command line utility, and note

[DNG] Web browser needed

I would welcome advice on what browser to use, given that Mozilla Firefox now refuses to connect to my IPCop firewall box at 192.168.127.254:8022 making the administration of the firewall impossible. It claims that it cannot let me connect: "The page you are trying to view cannot be shown

Re: [DNG] [OT] vivivi

On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:34:35 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > So the only inequivocally remaining received gospel is that Emacs is the > Only True and Holy Editor. Heretic ! True Believers worship at the Shrine of VI... Cheers, Ron. -- La marine est un art, une science, et un

Re: [DNG] Troll Alert Re: A Devuan kernel?

On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:19:40 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > Thank $deity for that. Whoever He or She is, should not we accord Him or Her the civility of an upper-wase variable name as $DEITY ? ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- A good question is never answered. It

Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:38:11 -0400 Clarke Sideroad wrote: > Linux is a big brave step into the unknown, especially if you have no > clue as to what hardware is doing the magic. Perhaps some icon that can > be clicked to give a hint of the optimum selection as previously > suggested would

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 22:16:10 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > Bunsenlab has also a GUI program for adjusting fonts for Gtk. Where can one find it ? Cheers, Ron. -- Gli nomini si debbano o vezzeggiate o peguere; perche' si vendiciano delle leggieri offese,

Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:45:36 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > Just have to keep a post-it on the monitor, to remind you which HD has > > what ;-3) > I actually keep a small sticky label on the drive itself. ;) Might not be very useful at boot time ;-3) Cheers, Ron. --

Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 10:48:28 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > A work-around for your problem: > > Install each OS individually on a HD (disconnecting the other bootable > > ones if need be) and install Grub on the mbr of that HD. > > When booting, press F8 (or whichever your BIOS uses) to bring

Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points

A work-around for your problem: Install each OS individually on a HD (disconnecting the other bootable ones if need be) and install Grub on the mbr of that HD. When booting, press F8 (or whichever your BIOS uses) to bring up the Boot Menu, and choose there the HD you want to boot from.

Re: [DNG] broken PDF display

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 10:09:02 + KatolaZ wrote: > Just to say: no problems over here with either zathura, xpdf, or mupdf > on ASCII. But my pdf files are not that fancy, TBH :) Here under Jessie, mupdf displays correctly, but xpdf does not. Cheers, Ron. --

Re: [DNG] broken PDF display

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 14:14:47 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > Recently and not in association with any system changes, atril and xpdf > no longer displays the content of perhaps half my PDF files. They see > all the pages, but they are blank. An exception is that sometimes a >

Re: [DNG] firmware missing in live iso

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:46:43 + KatolaZ wrote: > if the firwmare is not pulled in by the firmware-linux-nonfree package > (i.e., if it is not in firmware-misc-nonfree), then it's not there. Grovelling apologies. Stupid mistake, mislabelled USB drive, was trying with a

[DNG] firmware missing in live iso

Been toying with the jessie_1.0.0_amd64_minimal-live.iso. The box I am playing with uses a rather common Ralink RT2870 USB wifi dongle which works out without problem with a PCLinuxOS live iso on this same box, or with Rasvuan on my Raspberry-Pi. Here with the Devuan-live iso, I get no

Re: [DNG] udev completely F-e'd up ?

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:02:57 + KatolaZ wrote: > Just throwing a random comment: are you sure the device does not > contain a gpt? If that is the case, the correct partition table would > be seen only via gdisk, not via fdisk. You are spot on, thank you: it did hold a

Re: [DNG] udev completely F-e'd up ?

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:17:43 -0300 "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote: > Since upgrading from Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie, I have been having > problems with USB drives, unable to mount them unless as root, and seeing > strange thi

[DNG] udev completely F-e'd up ?

Since upgrading from Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie, I have been having problems with USB drives, unable to mount them unless as root, and seeing strange things in Pcmanfm, like when connecting a drive that has been used as and installation medium (dd if=xxx.iso of=/dev/sdi) later re-formatted

Re: [DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:54:35 + KatolaZ wrote: > we know that many of us are experiencing enormous ETAs on downloading > ASCII Beta images from http://files.devuan.org > > The reason is that we just didn't expect so many people were waiting > for ASCII to come out. Here

[DNG] Log-out instead of screen-saver ?

Would it be possible to configure the system so that after a set time of inactivity, it logs-out the user instead of activating a screen saver ? Cheers, Ron. -- Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

[DNG] Any idea

when ASCII will be declared stable ? Is it a question of weeks ? months ? Cheers, Ron. -- To our sweethearts and wives: May they never meet. -- 19th century toast

Re: [DNG] Meltdown and linux kernel KPTI patch

On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:52:48 +0100 viverna wrote: > When the KPTI patch will be in ascii and jessie? > With AMD processor is possible to ignore patch? > > According with: > https://meltdownattack.com/ > "it is unclear whether ARM and AMD processors are > also affected by

Re: [DNG] Happy New Year!

On Mon, 1 Jan 2018 13:50:51 +0100 aitor_czr wrote: > Without being too pedantic [*], *devuanita* is the right term. A > debianita is to debian, like a devuanita to devuan. With due respect, your Worship, "Devuanita" would be a term of endearment for a young (female)

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:50:56 +0100 Antony Stone wrote: > > Oh, come on. Have some sense of humour! Didn't you see the sarcasm in > > my comment? > > Email is a notoriously bad medium for conveying tone of voice. so next time use a tag. Cheers, Ron. --

Re: [DNG] Text editor ?

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:43:30 -0300 "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote: > Thank you; sadly this is not offered in Devuan Jessie ;-3( Please ignore: Synaptic could not find it, but apt-get did. Cheers, Ron. -- The meas

Re: [DNG] Text editor ?

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:04:34 +0100 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > > Thanks, I should have been more precise: one with a GUI. > > My favourite GUI text editor is Geany. Thank you; sadly this is not offered in Devuan Jessie ;-3( Cheers, Ron. -- The measure

Re: [DNG] Text editor ?

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:16:18 + ael wrote: > > Is there in Devuan a text editor that will do find/replace on a regexp ? > Almost every non trivial editor will do that: my favorite is vim. Thanks, I should have been more precise: one with a GUI. Cheers,

[DNG] Text editor ?

Is there in Devuan a text editor that will do find/replace on a regexp ? Cheers, Ron. -- This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of

Re: [DNG] Cron / Anacron

On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 15:25:06 +0100 Alessandro Selli wrote: > > I notice that since I upgraded from Bebian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie my box > > runs periodic jobs through anacron instead of cron. > > This sometimes causes heavy jobs to run at inconvenient times. > > Given

Re: [DNG] Cron / Anacron

On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 14:37:04 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Given my box runs 24/7, is there a simple way to banish Anacron, and run > > Cron at fixed times, in the wee hours of the night for instance ? > > Just remove anacron by removing the anacron package.

[DNG] Cron / Anacron

I notice that since I upgraded from Bebian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie my box runs periodic jobs through anacron instead of cron. This sometimes causes heavy jobs to run at inconvenient times. Given my box runs 24/7, is there a simple way to banish Anacron, and run Cron at fixed times, in the wee

Re: [DNG] Decent GUI FTP client for linux (not filezilla)

On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 03:31:09 -0500 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > After noticing that filezilla has added adware to the windows client I > am nervous about using it for linux due to their loose morals and I am > curious about alternatives. > > I am looking for one with a decent

Re: [DNG] netiquette Was: Re: Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 09:17:36 + Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Svante Signell writes: > > This is not the first posting from Eduardo to this list. He still has > > not learned netiquette, a very sad story. Sorry for raising this issue > > now, I just couldn't wait any

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies (OT)

On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 12:17:21 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > It's a heap-based buffer overflow Nevder understood how buffer overflows were not catered for at compilation time. Many moons ago ISTR that attempting something that could result in a buffer overflow would cause the

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 13:51:02 +0100 Simon Hobson wrote: > The topic was discussed to death not long ago and the consensus seemed to be > that "there is no solution that works for everyone" ! As Jochen says, for > "simple" machines with no more than one ethernet and one

[DNG] Life under Devuan is impossible.

Since I updated my Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie I am unable to access USB drives to store data. - I cannot mount them as user under Pcmanfm or Thunar "Error opening directory '/media/Mageia-4.1-x86_64': Permission denied" - As root, I can read the content under Pcmanfm, but not write;

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 21:45:04 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > And you forbid yourself to use su or ssh from the command line, > because this doesn't change the color scheme of the terminal. ? ? ? ? Changing PS1 in the relevant .bashrc changes colours both in XFCE-console and in tty

Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 07:59:31 -0400 fsmithred wrote: > > My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without trouble > > under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to launch a > > Pcmanfm as root to access them. Lucky I learned this morning

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 13:50:31 + Miroslav Rovis wrote: > Useful. But in which file do you stick it, you didn't say? ~/.bashrc ? I stick the root ones in the relevant /root/.bashrc, and in ~/.bashrc for the user. Cheers, Ron. -- If God

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 06:28:30 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > > If the '#' and "root@hostname" escape the attention of a person > > entrusted with root privileges, then why not make the root prompt bright > > red: > > > > root@ratatosk:/home/erik# export

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 23:35:37 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding root > authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt ending > character changing from "$" to "#". > > It could work. Somebody should try it,

Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:09:21 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Did you log out and back in after making the change? I did, no change. Cheers, Ron. -- Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay

Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:52:56 -0400 "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote: > > groups did not help; alas > > Thanks, butt adding my user to the plugdev Read: Thanks, but adding my user to the plugdev group did not help

Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 06:29:52 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > > My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without trouble > > under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to launch a > > Pcmanfm as root to access them. Lucky I learned this morning how

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:51:53 -0500 Hector Gonzalez wrote: > You can also do this, assuming your original user is "user": > XAUTHORITY=~user/.Xauthority > export XAUTHORITY > DISPLAY=:0.0 > export DISPLAY > and use x with that. You don't add permissions, and there is no need to

Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:52:50 +0200 info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > >>> My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without > >>> trouble under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to > >>> launch a Pcmanfm as root to access them.

Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 08:09:50 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > > My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without > > trouble under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to > > launch a Pcmanfm as root to access them. > I had similar issues some

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:19:51 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > However, for at least a decade, the launcher of Synaptic, in > Debian, has been invoking gksu. Certainly some other sysadmin commands > were using it also, but synaptic is the one I mostly use. When you launch it from

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:37:14 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > > Under Debian, I could su to root in a console, and launch gparted from the > > CLI. > This could never work. su does not transmit the X connection I have no idea whether it _could_ work. But I know it _did_

[DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without trouble under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to launch a Pcmanfm as root to access them. Lucky I learned this morning how to launch a prog as root from the CLI.. Why did the configuration change ?

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:43:54 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: > Also, 'su' is just wrong, don't use it, always use sudo, If I wanted to always use sudo I would be running *ubuntu... Cheers, Ron. -- No one can make you feel inferior without your

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:33:23 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > you probably just need to `xhost +` from the "regular" user account > before su-ing. By default the current display is not accessible by any > user except the one who launched it. root is not an exception. Anything

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 10:39:13 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > There was an issue opened up about this 9 months ago: > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/issues/14 > Devuan alternatives were created specifically for xdm but never > transferred to the project and repackaged. OK ta,

[DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

Under Debian, I could su to root in a console, and launch gparted from the CLI. Now, I get: ron@ron:~/Desktop $ su Password: No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open

[DNG] GUIs font sizes

Since upgrading from Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie, I have a font size problem in several programs, like flpsed, imagemagick, timidity: the font size used in the GUIs of those programs is so small I cannot read them. I suspect it might be a Qt/Gtk problem ? Any idea where to dig for making

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:35:42 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > And yeah, an analogy that makes systemd a disease is fitting... I know, been refering to it for ages as a pox... Cheers, Ron. -- Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of

Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > > > Have you tried to install any of them? > > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick > You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattlesnake How do you know a priori that the snake is

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:50:55 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > I prefer the best (for me) of all worlds: No Systemd, but Yes Gnome. Which is like wanting unprotected sex, but without sexually transmitted diseases... Cheers, Ron. -- Sodd's Second Law:

Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:29:08 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > Have you tried to install any of them? No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick Cheers, Ron. -- In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ? > I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu. There are in the Devuan repo 557 packages related to Gnome, 303 of which have Gnome

[DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

After upgrading to Devuan Jessie, curiosity made me chack in Synaptic that my system did not have any infection of the systemd pox.apt search systemd I was surprised to see all those systemd packages appear in the list of instalable packages. Why are there so many ? My source list: deb

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd. > But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was > for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area. What does Gnome

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:00:22 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > 3. Why not? Because all recent versions of Gnome are infected with the systemd pox. Cheers, Ron. -- A society that puts equality over freedom will not get any of those

[DNG] Upgrade to Devuan done.

Two niggles: Is there a way to get rid of, or disable, keyring ? could not find the package that provides it. When I launch EasyABC, which worked under Wheezy this morning, I now get: ron@ron:~/Desktop $ easyabc Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/easyabc/easy_abc.py", line