Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable
Hi Steve, Steve Litt wrote: > https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-linux-desktop/ > > LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executables and libraries, in > 2012. Mostly for the same reasons I refuse to host systemd. Now comes > the possibility of ads on KDE applications. > > But it's even worse, because Qt is doing it, so non-KDE apps might be > involved, including the LXQt I've recommended as an alternative to > the deprecated LXDE. the news just says QT will support adds, which is "logical" in a modern world. Then any application developer may decide to use it or not, or to make a free ad version or not. Blame developers, more than QT! Personally, I hate ads on computers, Windows is hateful for that... these "news" and "ads" everywhere on phones. It is clearly blending the bad web experience with applications. However, many applications already had ads: they often do this by using an embeddable version of chrome. Quite hateful! Maybe this is a better compromise. I remember using a Softphone at a company, ad version. Just to display an add in a window, it first used flash, then an embedded browser, because adds are animated. Wonderful. 10MB app and then 100MB of "ad framework" to suck resources. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Skype crashes
Hi, Haines Brown wrote: > I'm running Chimera. I downloaded current version of skypeforlinux > and installed it. The annoying prompts for password to keyring > I skip. > > The audo and video test ok. But when I try to make a free test call, > Skype crashes. I have similar issues. I have skype for Linux on 3 different systems: - stable Gentoo, intel i5, very barebones setup (no pulseaudio, no gnome, just windowmaker) -> restarts at each call - beowulf amd64 -> restarts at each call - i7 with beowulf, everything works. But this one runs xfce and has all its dependencies installed like puleseaudio, udev, etc etc I do not think that it is a version or CPU issue, but something in skype pretending that certain dameons or interfaces running, I did not determine which yet. Since skype became a wrapped web application, it beame a mess and a hog. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] chimaera and xfce look consistency
Hi Ludovic, Ludovic Bellière wrote: > XFCE is upgrading to GTK3. The inconsistent look of the windows you've > seen > might be due to old style windows being used alongside newer style. Yes, unfortunate upgrade, it was caused by that > > XFCE isn't a big monolithical application, instead a compilation of > several > softwares that creates your desktop environment. Not all these > software are bing > upgraded at the same time. Due to the voluntary nature of the project, > people > work on them when they have the time. Actually I think it is quite consistent and usable compared to the features it has. That's why I used it. I don't touch GNOME since years... (Except GNUstep of course, but that is eating my own food) Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] chimaera and xfce look consistency
Hi Ralph! Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > What you see there is one of the effects of "Client Side Rendering" > which is this new fad that wants to return to the cowboy times of > mid-80's where every GUI program implements its own looks and style. > It's generally called "progress". that was it! I installed the nocsd package suggested, login/logout and voilà things look nice again. Sure XFCE looks changed a little, but it is consistend and enjoyable again. We have cowboy times with lot of apps, all those web apps, think about Skype, Discord, Slack... all those "wrapped web browsers" compared to older versions of Skype with proper menus, decorations, consitent font rendering... and 1/10th of memory usage :) Progress... perhaps also having windows 10 looking worse than windows 1.0 is called progress :) I am using a laptop or a workstation, not a tablet or phone. But Microsoft and Apple forget this lately Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] chimaera and xfce look consistency
Hello, Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: Hi, sorry, message was sent without content.. I wonder, something went wrong with Thunderbird which sent out an email when I put the laptop to sleep. What I wanted to write is this. I use xfce since ascii and chimaera: I think it has a consistent look: timeless enough, something between CDE and Windows XP but not so ugly. I refer especially to the windowmanager, smooth design, well usable, not inrusive. Colors, shades changed but it remained. Now, in chimaera, I notice something inconsistent. When opening applications like xterm or firefox, the look of windows decoration is similar, but updated to previous versions. Other windows, however "internal" apps, like system preferences, panels, etc of XFCE look ugly without decorations, similar to windows 10. Is that an intention? or is there some setting inconsistency I did not detect? Thanks for hints. Of course you may understand what I want to restore proper decoration to all windows, not the other way around. Regards, Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] chimaera and xfce look consistency
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Re: [DNG] eudev issue after beowulf upgrade
Hi, On 11/13/21 4:06 PM, Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: thanks for the hint. I did the upgrade using directly two of the packages and, voilà things work again and USB disks and CD-ROM appear correctly again in xfce. actually, I was too quick too rejoyce. Installed new eudev and rebooted, all fine. Strangely, after a new reboot the day after, even with the new udev stuff, xfce shows wrong mounted filesystems: Usually I only see one icon "File System" and if I put in a removable device, like an USB key or a CD, it pops up on the desktop. Now, instead, I see, other than "FileSystem" also "Filesystem root" (duplicate essentially but shown as a removable device) and "cdrom0" even if there is no CD. If I put in a USB key nothing gets shown, so I cannot access it. What could be going wrong? strange it is so stable during boots. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] eudev issue after beowulf upgrade
Hello Svante, On 11/13/21 1:32 PM, Svante Signell wrote: Preparing to unpack .../eudev_3.2.9-9~beowulf1_amd64.deb ... Since release 198, udev requires support for the following features Hello, this bug has been solved by 3.2.9-10~beowulf1 available from beowulf-proposed-updates. Or directly at: http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/eudev/ thanks for the hint. I did the upgrade using directly two of the packages and, voilà things work again and USB disks and CD-ROM appear correctly again in xfce. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] eudev issue after beowulf upgrade
Hello, I upgraded from ascii to beowulf, almost everything smooth exceot eudev which does not upgrade due to this: Preparing to unpack .../eudev_3.2.9-9~beowulf1_amd64.deb ... Since release 198, udev requires support for the following features in the running kernel: - inotify(2) (CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER) - signalfd(2) (CONFIG_SIGNALFD) - accept4(2) - open_by_handle_at(2) (CONFIG_FHANDLE) - timerfd_create(2) (CONFIG_TIMERFD) - epoll_create(2) (CONFIG_EPOLL) dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/eudev_3.2.9-9~beowulf1_amd64.deb (--unpack): new eudev package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 The running kernel I have is: 4.19.0-18-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.208-1 (2021-09-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux Isn't this current for beowulf? I see no kernel upgrades and from what I understand missing kernel features are required. Ideas? Thank you, Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ultrabook boot issues - hybrid hard disk
Hi,
I have installed Chimaera on my Ultrabook - first as beta, then
upgraded constantly.
The system has a dual-disk setup under windows called smart cache or
fast cache.
One spinning rust and one smaller SSD. ON windows the two drives are
one as one with a cache.
Actually, when installing linux, they are seen as two drives, sda and
sdb. I thought, originally, to install on the SSD disk so to have a
fast boot system and the rest of apps and user directories on spinning
rust. However, I could not even partition the SSD, it always gave
errors. SO I installed everything on sda. I had delays at boot
however, later.
Now, with the latest kernel upgrade the delays became quite unbearable.
First.. can I stop this? maybe disabling or tweaking some setting?
Second, can this SSD disk actually be used? 32gb should be plenty for
kernels boot and core system!
[1.642710] ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
[1.642750] ata2: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300)
[1.643105] ata2.00: ACPI cmd f5/00:00:00:00:00:a0 (SECURITY FREEZE
LOCK) filtered out
[1.643572] ata2.00: ATA-9: SanDisk SSD i100 32GB, 11.50.16, max
UDMA/133
[1.643580] ata2.00: 62533296 sectors, multi 1: LBA48 NCQ (depth 32)
[1.644006] ata2.00: ACPI cmd f5/00:00:00:00:00:a0 (SECURITY FREEZE
LOCK) filtered out
[1.644111] ata2.00: configured for UDMA/133
[1.646662] ata1.00: ACPI cmd f5/00:00:00:00:00:a0 (SECURITY FREEZE
LOCK) filtered out
[1.652345] ata1.00: ATA-8: ST500LT012-9WS142, 0001SDM1, max
UDMA/133
[1.652353] ata1.00: 976773168 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth
32)
[1.692629] ata1.00: ACPI cmd f5/00:00:00:00:00:a0 (SECURITY FREEZE
LOCK) filtered out
[1.692893] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
[1.693448] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA
ST500LT012-9WS14 SDM1 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[1.694217] scsi 1:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA SanDisk SSD
i100 0.16 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[1.707706] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 976773168 512-byte logical blocks:
(500 GB/466 GiB)
[1.707712] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 4096-byte physical blocks
[1.707741] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[1.707744] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[1.707766] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache:
enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[1.707839] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] 62533296 512-byte logical blocks:
(32.0 GB/29.8 GiB)
[1.707850] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[1.707852] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[1.707866] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache:
enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
but later I see:
[3.167019] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access Generic- Multi-Card
1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
[3.167626] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[3.241626] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
[ 31.831866] ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x8000 SErr 0x4
action 0x6 frozen
[ 31.831979] ata2: SError: { CommWake }
[ 31.832036] ata2.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
[ 31.832115] ata2.00: cmd 60/08:78:a8:2d:ba/00:00:03:00:00/40 tag 15
ncq dma 4096 in
res 40/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask
0x4 (timeout)
[ 31.832300] ata2.00: status: { DRDY }
[ 31.832355] ata2: hard resetting link
[ 37.183839] ata2: link is slow to respond, please be patient
(ready=0)
[ 41.863839] ata2: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)
[ 41.863917] ata2: hard resetting link
[ 47.215836] ata2: link is slow to respond, please be patient
(ready=0)
[ 51.895839] ata2: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)
[ 51.895916] ata2: hard resetting link
[ 57.247839] ata2: link is slow to respond, please be patient
(ready=0)
[ 86.947859] ata2: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)
[ 86.947938] ata2: limiting SATA link speed to 3.0 Gbps
[ 86.947941] ata2: hard resetting link
[ 91.999840] ata2: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)
[ 91.19] ata2: reset failed, giving up
[ 91.76] ata2.00: disabled
[ 92.08] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#15 FAILED Result: hostbyte=DID_OK
driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE cmd_age=90s
[ 92.15] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#15 Sense Key : Not Ready [current]
[ 92.21] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#15 Add. Sense: Logical unit not
ready, hard reset required
[ 92.27] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#15 CDB: Read(10) 28 00 03 ba 2d
a8 00 00 08 00
[ 92.34] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 62533032
op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 1 prio cl
ass 0
[ 92.000188] ata2: EH complete
[ 92.000327] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#16 FAILED Result:
hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK cmd_age=0s
[ 92.000337] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#16 CDB: Read(10) 28 00 03 ba 2d
a8 00 00 08 00
[ 92.000344] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 62533032
op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x0 phys_seg 1 prio class
0
[ 92.000486] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb, logical block 7816629,
async page read
[ 92.002262] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#12 FAILED Result:
Re: [DNG] fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad
Hi, g4sra via Dng wrote: A web search suggests that the following will compensate for the hardware issues you are experiencing I do not have your hardware and therefore cannot test. edit /etc/default/grub and add parameters for i8042 GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i8042.notimeout i8042.nomux" then run $ sudo update-grub and reboot When done correctly they will show on the kernel command line $cat /proc/cmdline BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-?.??. root=/dev/ ro quiet splash i8042.notimeout i8042.nomux this worked smooth as butter! I get no more errors in dmesg and the touchpad works! Now that you gave me the hint, this appears like a very old bug never solved and so the solution is still current. Scary. curious if both options were needed. Only nomux is not enough, while notimeout is enough to have a working pointer! This leave space for solving other important issues on this laptop, but that in separate threads. Regards, Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad
Hi, On 2021-09-12 09:04:26 +0200 Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: > I swear there was a touchpad, now it is totally gone ! I am puzzled. I found out at least why this happens. The EFI BIOS has a setting for "USB Legacy mode" for the pointing device. If I enable it, the touchpad disappears, if I enable it shows. However, neither enabled nor disabled the touchpad works! I would assume that in compatibilty mode maybe it shoudl somehow work as a simple mouse? With compatibility mode, this is reported by xinput: $ xinput ⎡ Virtual core pointer id=2[master pointer (3)] ⎜ ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointerid=4[slave pointer (2)] ⎜ ↳ Logitech USB Optical Mouseid=10 [slave pointer (2)] ⎜ ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPadid=13 [slave pointer (2)] ⎣ Virtual core keyboard id=3[master keyboard (2)] ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard id=5[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Power Button id=6[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Fujitsu FUJ02E3 id=7[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Video Bus id=8[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Power Button id=9[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ FJ Camera: FJ Camera id=11 [slave keyboard (3)] ↳ AT Translated Set 2 keyboard id=12 [slave keyboard (3)] ↳ BRLTTY 6.3 Linux Screen Driver Keyboard id=14 [slave keyboard (3)] And Steve's script does: sh touchtoggle.sh diagnostic devid =13 diagnostic scratchline=Device Enabled (175): 1 diagnostic proptext =Device Enabled# diagnostic propid =175 Current state of 1 has been changed to 0. and it always says 1->0 even if you rerun it. More ideas? Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad
Hi, Can I ask you back to my oiriginal issue? Installation media issues were worked around anyway. Using chimarera I updated in the meanwhile, kernel, etc. but I still have no working touchpad, a hassle on a small Ultrabook the goal of which is to be portable. I wonder if the issue is at kernel-level or at Xorg-level I am worried that I continue to see in the kernel messages this: [ 3259.860388] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [ 3259.862378] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [ 3259.864383] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [ 3259.866390] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [ 3259.868340] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout psmouse could well be my touchpad, no? Somebody off-list sent me a script by Steve Litt, which I did run and does not help, giving this output: diagnostic devid = diagnostic scratchline=Device Enabled (175): 1 diagnostic proptext =Device Enabled# diagnostic propid =175 Current state of 1 has been changed to 0. Usage: xinput set-prop [--type=atom|float|int] [--format=8|16|32] [ ...] Usage: xinput set-prop [--type=atom|float|int] [--format=8|16|32] [ ...] no devid is found! ⎡ Virtual core pointer id=2[master pointer (3)] ⎜ ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointerid=4[slave pointer (2)] ⎜ ↳ Logitech USB Optical Mouseid=10 [slave pointer (2)] ⎣ Virtual core keyboard id=3[master keyboard (2)] ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard id=5[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Power Button id=6[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Fujitsu FUJ02E3 id=7[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Video Bus id=8[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Power Button id=9[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ FJ Camera: FJ Camera id=11 [slave keyboard (3)] ↳ AT Translated Set 2 keyboard id=12 [slave keyboard (3)] ↳ BRLTTY 6.3 Linux Screen Driver Keyboard id=14 [slave keyboard (3)] I swear there was a touchpad, now it is totally gone ! I am puzzled. I am using libinput for xorg, since synaptics when installed has no cursor working at all, not even the external mouse :) However I noticed checking the XFCE mouse panel ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad
Hi, g4sra via Dng wrote: > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert additional > installation media such as a USB stick. > There are just too many Gigabytes of Drivers required to satisfy every corner > case, put the drivers your quirky hardware requires on a USB stick and use it > when prompted! > I do not ever want to have to install an OS from 31 removable media's ever > again! (Windows NT anybody?). that's a bit an excuse and also extremely inconvenient. Since downloading of that firmware is not certain an eeasy procedure for the website. I bet many of the essential drivers could fit on the DVD, we are not speaking of floppies here. Also, most essentially, it is a matter of network driver, the rest can stay on the non-free repository. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Rant: was fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad
Hi, Steve Litt wrote: > I hate the preceding hassle. Every Linux distro's install media should > have all drivers available during installation. After installation, if > the user wishes to remove all non-free from his computer, he can do so. > Or, the installation process can come with an "include nonfree drivers > and blobs" switch that defaults to "yes". > > Some people believe the worst sin is to have anything non-free on your > system. That's their prerogative. But adopting a zero-tolerance for > nonfree during install drives people away from free software in droves. > The perfect is the enemy of the good. I 100% agree. This firmware issue is a hassle, but especially with laptops, often there is no big choice. Ideology doesn't get you far. I agree with a toggle, a dialog box, warning "try with non-free" ? Of coruse, the ideal world doesn't need it, but I guess once you have a piece of hwardware that needs that crap, what can you do? Most people will "accept anyway, just to get it working" or accept another OS. Sometimes you can find another card, but that is not always possible. Rarely you can know exactly what is inside a Laptop on beforehand. In the same model manufacturer can put in "equivalent cards", they just need to match the spec, not the chipset. Of course I prefer promoting hardware which is more open, but then... once you have a system you want to use ii. I don't know what these diehards do.. try 100 systems to get one working? > > I don't care what Debian does, I'd suggest that Devuan's default > install include all the non-free drivers, firmware and blobs that > Devuan has, and just have a way to shut it off for the more > Stallmanesque among us. > > Riccardo, I love how you got around this problem. I never thought of > installing from DVD and then grabbing Wifi after installation's > complete. I'd never thought of that: I just used a different distro if > install didn't work. It is only possible if you have a second computer :) With just one, in this condition you are "stuck" Steve, I am relatively stubborn being in several Open Source project, having a lot of different test hardware for the community and not being a newbie. I started with the idea that this would be a test, even if it one of my best laptops. But you are right, probably most people will just slap on SuSE or Ubuntu and it would work. It is some work, but giving this option would improve Devuan. Exactly as Devuan would be appealing if it could maintain more Xorg video drivers which still exist but are "deprecated" by official Debian. Since Devuan is lighter, it appeals vintage systems - this is how I started with it. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] fresh install of chimaera on an Ultrabook - no touchpad
Hi all, I "converted" a laptop from Windows 7 to Devuan and as a test, I installed chimaera. The intel display should have no issues. Install wasn't too easy due to the system having only WiFi and no Optical drive - the WiFi needs firmware not included in the install media. I used an USB stick with the full DVD, installed offline then found the firmware on debian, copied over with an USB stick and things do work. Partitioning was also very hard, but more about that in a separate thread. What is really annoying is that X11 works but I have no touchpad. By attaching an external mouse the cursor works. In dmesg I get thousands of messages like this: [255709.204049] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [255709.206127] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [255709.208137] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [255709.210118] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [255709.212111] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [255709.213986] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [255709.215980] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [255709.217997] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [255709.219983] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [255709.222021] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout [255709.224043] psmouse serio1: bad data from KBC - timeout I suppose it is related... psmouse! I have no other dmesg data since it went overflow. lsusb lists nothing: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 004: ID 10f1:1a44 Importek FJ Camera Bus 001 Device 005: ID 093a:2510 Pixart Imaging, Inc. Optical Mouse Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:0138 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5138 Card Reader Controller Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp. Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub The optical mouse is my Trust mouse I attached. In Xorg I see: [ 121.142] (II) LoadModule: "libinput" [ 121.142] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/libinput_drv.so [ 121.214] (II) Module libinput: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 121.214] compiled for 1.20.8, module version = 0.30.0 [ 121.214] Module class: X.Org XInput Driver [ 121.214] ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 24.1 [ 121.214] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'Power Button' [ 121.214] (**) Power Button: always reports core events [ 121.214] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event4" [ 121.215] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev" [ 121.239] (II) event4 - Power Button: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard [ 121.240] (II) event4 - Power Button: device is a keyboard [ 121.240] (II) event4 - Power Button: device removed [ 121.260] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input5/event4" [ 121.260] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 6) [ 121.260] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105" [ 121.260] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "it" [ 121.281] (II) event4 - Power Button: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard [ 121.281] (II) event4 - Power Button: device is a keyboard [ 121.282] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Fujitsu FUJ02E3 (/dev/input/event5) [ 121.282] (**) Fujitsu FUJ02E3: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall" [ 121.282] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'Fujitsu FUJ02E3' [ 121.282] (**) Fujitsu FUJ02E3: always reports core events [ 121.282] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event5" [ 121.282] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev" [ 121.282] (II) event5 - Fujitsu FUJ02E3: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard [ 121.282] (II) event5 - Fujitsu FUJ02E3: device is a keyboard [ 121.282] (II) event5 - Fujitsu FUJ02E3: device removed [ 121.352] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/FUJ02E3:00/input/input6/event5" [ 121.352] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Fujitsu FUJ02E3" (type: KEYBOARD, id 7) [ 121.352] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105" [ 121.352] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "it" [ 121.355] (II) event5 - Fujitsu FUJ02E3: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard [ 121.355] (II) event5 - Fujitsu FUJ02E3: device is a keyboard [ 121.357] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Video Bus (/dev/input/event7) [ 121.357] (**) Video Bus: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall" [ 121.357] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'Video Bus' [ 121.357] (**) Video Bus: always reports core events [ 121.357] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event7" [ 121.357] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev" [ 121.359] (II) event7 - Video Bus: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard [ 121.359] (II) event7 - Video Bus: device is a keyboard [ 121.359] (II) event7 - Video Bus: device removed [ 121.408] (**) Option "config_info"
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
Hi, On 3/26/21 1:07 PM, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 It is disgusting. On the GNUstep Mailing list after a post by Richard himself, some people voiced to fork away from GNU, A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU. https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web I can only stand with this letter. Those "activist" violate almost every rule in their attacks. They are hypocrites who hide under the term of freedom and don't accept freedom of speech, if it is not "their speech". But I make a step back and do a further comment: I want politics out of free software. Free Software is (for me) free access to technology, liberation from hegemony of monopolies. Of course it can clash with politics if that tries to "limit" technology (see all these defenses into spying, content publishing, censorship). But it should not tell people hat to hate or what not to say: it should concentrate on code, technology and access to it. Remember how many voices there were back then against "evil Microsoft" and IE6? But how many raise their voices today against Chrome? Two weights, two measures. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
Hi, On 3/26/21 6:49 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Next step is trying to ban opponents to systemd ? I wouldn't joke about that too much :) Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Anybody successfully worked with an Nvidia GeForce gt 710 with Devuan?
Hi, Steve Litt wrote: > Has anyone successfully worked with an Nvidia GeForce gt 710 with > Devuan? As a bonus, has anyone gotten it to work without Pulseaudio? did you try nouveau? It is your only long-term hope, the short term being using binary drivers. I have a 7300 series card (so still 7 family, but older than yours) and no way I can get it to work, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD all refuse to show something. Devuan with nouveau came closest by detecting the card ans showing X11 with correct colors, icons but the HW cursor was completely bad and also certain text would not display, other yes. I did not try tweaking further parameters, since my goal was to run something different than Devuan itself, I just tried as a reference. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] acx wireless support
Hi Antony, Antony Stone wrote: > Yes, because Devuan itself only contains packages which needed to be modified > from the Debian packages, due to Devuan not using systemd. That explains the term "merged", right? > > All packages which are not affected by systemd not being present are not > included in Devuan, and the repositories simply forward requests through to > the equivalent Debian repositories so that you get all the packages you need. > > Basically, there's no point in Devuan simply duplicating all the packages > from > Debian which don't need any modification due to systemd. I understand, but is this forwarding automatic or do I need to add some "extra" apt source lists? Right now I use merged beowulf main/non-free/contrib Thanks, Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] acx wireless support
Hi, I have an ACX 111 wireless PCMCIA card which I want to use on Beowulf. I think Debian supports it with acx-mac80211 and the acx100 is retired. I also need firmware, some package it as acx111-firmware some tell you to download it andput it in /lib/firmware However I see no acx packages at all for Devuan! Any reason for that? Thanks, Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux kernel boot causing screen to become unreadable.
Hi! Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: Dear All, Lately, on an HP Probook 4540s, while booting Devuan Boewulf the screen becomes completely unreabled with unsynchronized lines of pixels. I will not be surprised if this is some sick joke by HP, to force their customers to buy new, but I do not know if this is the case with what I am experiencing. The hopelessly corrupted display persists even when startx is invoked, but the screen pixels indicate X fails to load. Interesting behaviour. Do you have a ATI/AMD video card? I notice the same behaviour on NetBSD, I recently reported it. It will happen typically when there is some "system load" and both X11 as well as framebuffer console go havoc. However, if you are remotely logged in, everything works (so not "frozen") I think something goes havoc with the driver that influences the chip. A reboot fixes everything. I dmesg I see various driver related errors. I don't have the same laptop with Linux though, I have a similar amd64 + ATI laptop with Devuan and I have no issues, but it is running ascii. I fear this could be an issue related with updated drivers. Even more incentivated to procrastinate Beowulf upgrade then :) Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] terminology
Hi, On 23/08/2020 15:59, Hendrik Boom wrote: There are files and directories. Is there an establiched word in the Linux/Unix xommunity for something which might be a file or a directory? if you refer to the "string" to object on the filesystem, "path" is a good word for it. A Path can be either a file or a directory (or a link...) Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii to Beowulf upgrade - 32% slowdown !
Hi, On 6/12/20 9:21 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Maybe try ;https://make-linux-fast-again.com/ kerneloptions to disable all spectre and meltdown stuff I hope you mean the preceding as a diagnostic test and not as a solution. first, diagnostic on what is slowing down and stealing performance in such a significant way. second, it could be also acceptable as a solution: If a system like laptop is not running multi-user, no virtual machines and you consider the software running trusted, where are the risks? I think only in the browser which runs "unknown" and "untrusted" stuff: The only attack surface would be JavaScript (or Java, Flash or similar). If, from what I read, the browser removed high resolution timers, timing attacks needed to exploit these bugs are unlikely. Am I simplifying too much and overseeing some holes? Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii to Beowulf upgrade - 32% slowdown !
Hi all, On 6/13/20 12:24 PM, Patrick Erdmann wrote: Just to be sure, try this line as kernel parameters: noibrs noibpb nopti nospectre_v2 nospectre_v1 l1tf=off nospec_store_bypass_disable no_stf_barrier mds=off tsx=on tsx_async_abort=off mitigations=off I tried all "noibrs noibpb nopti nospectre_v2 nospectre_v1 l1tf=off nospec_store_bypass_disable no_stf_barrier mds=off tsx=on tsx_async_abort=off" and here some results. Laptop with i7 (4x parallel build): ascii "standard": 30-31 minutes beowulf "standard": 41 minutes beowulf "fast": 34 minutes Laptop with T7200 (2x parallel build): ascii "standard": 63 minutes ascii "fast": 61 minutes From this we see that at least some mitigations were already "slowing down" ascii already and at least on another CPU I gained some speed back, but this makes the comparison even with beowulf! We see that "fast" still is slower than previous ascii by about 10% (which we can estimate do be more, since I did not test the same configuration). Something is still slowing down... it is not that my life changes with 3minutes, but I hate to know tht just a plain "upgrade" robbed me 10-15% of speed. By the way, informal tests (not on the same hardware) show that this speed gain is the difference between an i5 and an i7, so like to say my CPU was downgraded :-P What could be slowing down? some other kernel "settings" not related to mitigations.. cache handling, file system, scheduling? Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii to Beowulf upgrade - 32% slowdown !
Hi, On 6/13/20 7:45 PM, Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote: Do you compile ArcticFox with the same compiler in both cases? GCC gets slower for each release, it seems... Yes, same version, gcc 6.5 - the highest I can use to compile. I have issues compiling it with gcc 7 (actually, linking it...). Help fixing it welcome! Also, informal tests have shown that there is no such big difference, probably it depends on the code. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Ascii to Beowulf upgrade - 32% slowdown !
Hi all! I just upgraded from ascii to beowulf a pretty decent laptop, equipped with a core i7 and 8GB of RAM. I upgraded everything in place: so same desktop environment, same applications, same hard disk... just "apt-get dist-upgrade" essentially. I even kept gcc6 because I had it before and I need it. My test case is compiling ArcticFox, thus something in the realm of Firefox: lots of compiler activity, make, disk access, make and python. But, of course, predominant factor is compilation and linking. With ascii, I was consistently (= not just one build) doing a clean build in about 31 minutes! Quite fast for this small beast and I was happy. With beowulf, this number is consistently about 41 minutes. I say this is a very significant slowdown! Can I gain some speed back? Some setting? some spectre/meltdown mitigation? Having latest ascii, I think I had at least some of the backports. I am wary thus updating to beowulf on slower machines. Any ideas? Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] kernel instabilities
Hi! On 5/28/20 11:35 AM, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote: There’s also a slightly newer version 4.19 available from backports repository. While not as new as the most recent stable kernel, it might be quicker and easier to test out than compiling as it’s available through apt. https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii-backports/linux-image-amd64_4.19+105+deb10u3~bpo9+1.html If that doesn’t work then I agree that compiling the latest stable would be the next choice. yes, I am currently on ascii on all my machines. I could try to test beowulf too, although I need to be sure to have gcc 6.5 Anyway, the tipo of the backport brings stability again, I am running now: 4.19.0-0.bpo.8-amd64 #1 SMP And I have run it two days, including several heavy compilation sessions of ArcticFox, xfce desktop, suspend to RAM, browsing and some usb device access... seems fine so far. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] kernel instabilities
Hi all let me resurrect this thread. I am now working on this computer regular, lockdown has lessened here in Italy and I hope all you Devuaners are in good help. Unfortunately stability did not improve much On 3/18/20 4:28 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: (1) Do we even know it's a kernel problem? (2) They don't seem to be specific to a particular kernel; Of course they might have entirely different causes. (3) Is Debian having similar probems? (4) Might it be something in the way the kernel is being used? Perhaps something takes over the mouse, touchpad, and keyboard so that the user becomes helpless? (5) Surely there is some relevant partial shutdown, dumping, and/or logging procedure that would provide clues? We know it is a kernel problem since I can boot 4.9.0-11 boots fine (typing right now) while 4.9.0-12 crashes very soon (sometimes you can get to X and it freezes right thereafter) but most often it freezes directly at boot. It is a hard freeze. My CPU is: model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200 @ 2.00GHz I just tried adding "contrib" to my repositories and I see intel microcode is available, I hope it helps. Do you know how this "update" works? will it be applied also when running older kernels? I do not see it applied in dmesg when running 4.9.0-11 grep "microcode updated early to" returns nothing. Also I wonder if when running 4.9.0-12 it is applied early enough and if it would help at all. I tried running 4.9.0-12 in recovery mode and I see the crash of the kernel. (I did attach a screenshot, but it cannot fit inside the 40K of this mailing list, so I am removing it) Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Touchpad issues
Hi All! I just devuanized "with success" another Toshiba Satellite. Although much newer and faster than the older one I had running Debian first, this one would still fall in the "Vintage" category. Same installation layout... it is quite nice to use! The laptop is very nice to use, things had quality... and thanks to the Intel video card this works much better. I noticed one very strange thing: the touchpad is acting absolute, like it was a touch screen. If I move the pointer it moves fine, but I need to make one movement, one strike. If I touch it again, it put the cursor in exact that position again. So Essentially, I have a hard time reaching the corners of the screen. I did not set anything and do not have a specific Xorg.conf. I don't even know if this touchpad is a synaptics or not, I did not install the synaptics driver, only the standard evdev. How can I find out I found nothing in the dmesg, lsusb, lspci Thank you, Riccardo PS: I have compiled and soon will try to share, the current development version of ArcticFox on this machine and this celeron is essentially a cache-robbed Pentium-4 (M?)... I can watch you tubevideos full screen... wonderful ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan success report - Old Toshiba
Hi, Antony Stone wrote: I'm assuming that you're saying that things got noticeably worse when you "upgraded" from Debian 7 Wheezy to Debian 8 Jessie (with the introduction of systemd), but is that correct? Yes. But things got even worse with Debian 9. I'm intrigued as to how "like for like" a comparison we have here, between a version of Debian and the essentially identical version of Devuan, minus of course, systemd. This is what I think a little unfair: I felt a "gradual" worsening, release after release. Even in the time of starting up X, memory usage. Interesting is that I kept this laptop for several years on Debian and did not "add" packages, actually I just removed the nice IceApe and never replaced it with firefox which would die on such an old machine,. So standard console productivity (telnet, ssh...) , X11 and standard X tools (xterm, such), minicom. Then I have all development tools (gcc, gobjc, make, libffi) to compile GNUstep, but those should normally just consume up disk space when not used. And you update, update update... and things "look" the same but get slower and slower... On one side I would think fatter libraries, feature creep independencies. Newer kernels... And then systemd! Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] DNG] Waterfox issues under Devuan ASCII
Hi "Tux" tuxd3v wrote: If someone is interested.. I can use also some help, no tot hijack this One nice thing would be deb packages for it, on i686:) I don't have a fast enough i686 machine with Devuan.. it needs 1.5GB of ram at least. Maybe a version compiled on Ubuntu 16 works? For me it is easy to make a .tgz (the build system has a "package", never made a .deb package. Will search. Maybe Aitor created a deb? As said - right now I have very little help for this project. It started as a "test" but now proves to be more useful and has has some followers! Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Waterfox issues under Devuan ASCII
Hello Aitor, aitor wrote: The issue was the same as you pointed out: that is, the version of the compiler. It worked for me only with gcc-6. Trying with gcc-7 the build process ends upwith the mentioned non declared functions. No idea about a possible solution so far.About the missing symbols you say you're getting, they might be related with the use of-jN together with higher versions of gcc. It happened to me building bulmages a few years ago,an accounting program, when we were migrating it from Qt4 to Qt5: using -j1 it worked. All the same, i tried with gcc-7, and the strtol function (declared in without any precompiler directive) was not recognized. no unfortunately it is not as simple as compiling with -j1. I am pretty sure it has to do with gcc7 and linux (since as said, on NetBSD I can compile with gcc7 amd -j2!) I will ask generally for help, perhaps. It would help me a lot fixing this. Maybe there are some firefox commits that fiexd it between FF 45 and 52-esr. As you noticed it fails with "standard" thigns like strtol and atoi... Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Waterfox issues under Devuan ASCII
Hi! aitor wrote: > > I have ArcticFox working on amd64: > > http://gnuinos.org/arcticfox/arcticfox.png > > http://gnuinos.org/arcticfox/beta-devuan.png > > Here you are the tarball: > > gnuinos.org/arcticfox/arcticfox_amd64.tar.bz2 > wonderful! Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Waterfox issues under Devuan ASCII
Hi Aitor, aitor wrote: >> >> >> ... or the requirement of a C linkage? >> > > Forget that, the origin of the issue is in the mozconfig file, i guess. > what was the issue? please tell me. I get missing symbols if I use any compiler newer than gcc 6.5 on linux (e.g. gcc 7, gcc8). So on Devuan/ascii with gcc 6.5 everything "still" builds out of the box both i686 and amd64. I found no solution for the gcc version yet, but e.g. on NetBSD gcc 7 works perfectly! so strange Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan success report - Old Toshiba
Hi all! I want to cheer up and write thanks with a small success story of Devuan and comparison to Debian. I have an old Toshiba Satellite laptop, with a wonderful soft touch keyboard, PS/2 Port, Serial console... very readable screen (althoug 800x600!) which always had Debian which I kept upgrading and upgrading. It became less and less usable... only swap swap and slow as hell. Of course, the Specs are not impressive: Celeron (Mendocino) at 433Mhz and 128MB of RAM and Trident CYper videocard, still they worked and I did not add programs, jsut running the same old stuff (actually, removed the browsing suite based on SeaMonkey since Debian stopped having it, IceApe IIRC... which remained there with a lot of old libraries). I had a got hold of another PATA Hard Disk, so I swapped it in, installed Devuan from scratch, matching about the same setup in terms of installed packages (legacy Xorg, windowmaker and all GNUstep packages selfcompiled from source). Home directory copied back. Wow! The computer is now much more usable now, wonderful! Perfectly fine. system-V RC instead of SystemD means much more ram, everything is snappier! Slightly slower boot time, but then faster computer. In fact, I am typing this email right now using GNUstep on my Satellite! This is on Ascii, I don't know if Beowulf will be harder, so part of the improvement is a bit also "getting back" right now, yet I am impressed. Keep up the good work. And I propose to keep up "plain" 686 kernels and support for "old" videocards (again a pledge in this direction). Maybe a kernel without PAE would incour in less performance penalty, even? I rememebr seeing them around in older Debian times. What do you think? Or is it mandatory now? I think it has a speed penalty and if no more than 3GB are needed... it has no visible gain, or? Cheers, Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Waterfox issues under Devuan ASCII
Hi, On 08/05/2020 22:34, Steve Litt wrote: Arctic fox is a fork of PaleMoon. This is a good thing, because I and a whole bunch of people dropped PaleMoon when PaleMoon's "executives" issued lawyer threats to the OpenBSD project. rest assured, no such restrictions for Arctic Fox. We offer no guarantee, take it as it is, so no worries that the build doesn't follow official guidelines regarding configuration, libraries etc. If it doesn't work, you are on your own though... It's liberal and open... if nobody gets nasty or has claims. However, it looks like Arcticfox isn't available for just plain amd64 Linux. All sorts of Mac, Windows, even Linux on Power PC, but no Linux on Wintel type platforms. Please let us know when it's available for Linux on amd64 or even i686. Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear - it is working there. I develop and test continuously on Devuam/amd64 The fact that other, less-mainstream platforms are mentioned is an add on since we try to support them, but i jumped it into this browser thread right because it works well on Devuan. It works on i686 too - except on older ones without SSE2/SSE3 (although I'd like to support them) Example configuration files are shipped. It was mentioned in the latter part, where I asked for help and people knowing their way in the gecko code, maybe you skipped it! :) Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
Hi,
Raul Claro wrote:
is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with
Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with.
such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or
Mac and Chrome.
Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems?
I get back to the root of this - I do not want to touch chrome.
I installed SkypeForLinux and it works very well - maybe it is not the
best answer, it is not "open" but at least not browser based! ah! SO in
matter of "trust" I don't perceive it as worse and it is an application,
so once I closed it it's closed.
It works very well on Devuan, I am surprised, fine experience.
So, Mac, Windows and Linux/amd64 - a bit better and especially other
interlocutors ("normal" business, not other hackers) are likely to have it.
On the other hand, never ever support for other CPUs, architectures,
BSD... so trade off.
I was advised to "mumble", but have no first-hand experience.
RIccardo
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Re: [DNG] Waterfox issues under Devuan ASCII
Hi, aitor_czr wrote: Tar is installed by default in the core system of devuan (first and second stages of debootstrap. In any case, i started working on my own minimalist browser. It's not a joke: http://www.gnuinos.org/screenshots/Screenshot_2020-04-11_18-14-41.png At least, i only need a few features like management for my bookmarks and ability to have several websites opened at the same time in different tabs. And no much more... The less addons, the more minimalism. But i wonder if libwebkitgtk-1.0 (compatible with Gtk2) will survive the passing of time and dbus. interesting. I drop a line for ArcticFox then, since I am currently its main contributor. A very much improved fork of PaleMoon 27 which is quite lighweight and works. I am working quite a bit with it on Devuan amd64 ascii - works quite well for myself. 1GB of RAM about needed, but to build 2GB suggested. amd64 works well, intel Centrino/Core "minimum" If someone is interested.. I can use also some help, no tot hijack this thread I can open a separate on - gtk2 backend - gcc 6.5 bound currently (starting from 4.8) - Pentium3 cpu not supported (!) it builds, but crashes without SSE2/SSE3, which is a Pity, debianhas FF52 which runs (slow) on older/stranger i386! hackers wanted, especially with FF/Gecko experience. Official: https://github.com/wicknix/Arctic-Fox/ Development fork/branch: https://github.com/rmottola/Arctic-Fox Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] older X drivers removed from debian
Hi, debian sadly removed some older video drivers: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=955603 several of these are currently working or any case usable with some workaround: most importantly they keep being useful a series of wonderful laptops.. x86 and PPC. Yes some could benefit a fix or two... Can Devuan keep them locally or will it be impacted by the drop? I hope not. I don't want to stop using my ThinkPad(s) Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] kernel instability 4.9.0-12 with latest update
Hi, Marjorie Roome via Dng wrote: > I've not noticed any problems but I've not been running anything CPU > intensive. My processor is a AMD Phenon II X4 910e. could be... The problematic laptop has Intel Core2 processors, I have another laptop, similarly configured except the desktop environment, and it is has an AMD processor and seems stable. Will test it more this weekend. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] kernel instabilities
Hi, right now I don't have access to the computer - due to quarantine restrictions I cannot move from my house. Hendrik Boom wrote: > (1) Do we even know it's a kernel problem? I think yes. I am using ascii. The laptop has always been rock-stable. I upgrade the kernel, I get two freezes in a row, once after somet ime (including CPU usage due to compilation) and once earlier. I book using the odl kernel, no freeze and was able to compile for hours. I think this pinpoints it that not other upgdared things are the issue. > (2) They don't seem to be specific to a particular kernel; Of course > they might have entirely different causes. In my case, it appears to be (or at least the kernel in a specific configuration). > (3) Is Debian having similar probems? Who knows? I do not dual-boot. > (4) Might it be something in the way the kernel is being used? > Perhaps something takes over the mouse, touchpad, and keyboard so that > the user becomes helpless? No, I think it is a "hard freeze" since "shutdown" via APCI doesn't work (sngle quick power button press). > (5) Surely there is some relevant partial shutdown, dumping, > and/or logging procedure that would provide clues? I am using ascii on another laptop which I have here and can use in quarantine and it works fine! Should be installed and configured the same way, with debian ascii. One big difference: AMD CPU, so for sure a different cpu and has less vulnerabilities and will be mitigated differently. Is there a way to disable spectire/meltdown mitigations on the kernel command line? It would be a nice way to test if it helps and if thereis also a penalty in speed. I might as well as disable them forever in case. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xbattmon
Hi Steve, Steve Litt wrote: > A few weeks ago we discussed simple, works-on-all-wmde components like > fbpanel. Another one that I like is xbattmon. It's a no-frills battery > monitor that presents as a very thin horizontal "gauge" across the > bottom of the screen, whether or not you have a panel. Colors and > stripe width are configurable. I configured mine to be about 3 or 4 > pixels, be green when the computer is plugged into the wall. When not > plugged in, it's blue on the left and red on the right: The > intersection of the two is how much of the battery is used up. > > Unfortunately, I think my color scheme would fail for a color blind > person, and xbattmon is one of those tiny programs configured by > changing constants in the config.h file and recompiling, so it's > certainly not for everybody. But I think golinux could make a nice set > of defaults that would work for most people, and I could supply a > document to download, change colors, and recompile. May I also mention BatteryMonitor (batmon.app) from GNUstep? [*] It is more oriented to GNUstep and windowmaker, because it uses the nice App-Icon. So I don't think it blends well with certain WM's (like xfce, for example) However, it supports a wide range of kernels, operating systems, batteries, power schemes... Just because I am the author. Riccardo [*] http://gap.nongnu.org/batmon/index.html ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] kernel instability 4.9.0-12 with latest update
Hi, I am using Devuan on an HP laptop with intel 64bit cpu. Everything worked very well, I did a lot of compilation and it is very stable, never had a freeze in months! [ 0.10] smpboot: CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200 @ 2.00GHz (family: 0x6, model: 0xf, stepping: 0x6) [ 0.10] Performance Events: PEBS fmt0-, Core2 events, Intel PMU driver. [ 0.10] core: PEBS disabled due to CPU errata Yesterday I installed a kernel upgrade, bad things happened 1) after the first reboot with the new kernel, I get up to my desktop, check out sources ad start building Arctic Fox browser, come back after a time and find the machine completely frozen - no disk activity, no mouse possible, no errors. No response to power button pressed (had to press 5 seconds) 2) at reboot, machine freezes quite early in the boot process 3) I retry and it still freezes I tried selecting in GRUB the older kernel and it boots. It goes past the last error, starts file system check/journal replay and the machine seems stable again. This is the last good kernel version: 4.9.0-11-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.189-3+deb9u2 (2019-11-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux the unstable version must be the version 4.9.210-1 installed What could the issue be? I read about backports of spectre mitigations being possible issues. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
