Re: [DNG] meta: list

2022-09-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2022-09-08 at 11:29 +, jkinne...@yahoo.ca wrote: >  Would anyone have the infrastructure to help us less advantaged FOSS > advocates > who got trampled on by big tech and the pandemic with the appropriate email > address > to stay involved in the discussion if this experiment happens? 

Re: [DNG] meta: list

2022-09-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2022-09-08 at 10:29 +0200, marc wrote: > > I am considering starting an admin list, where one can only > subscribe with an address starting with admin@... and > perhaps only one admin@... per IP. I suggest a name other than admin@, because people are probably using admin@ for other

[DNG] Keith Smith presents on Model View Controller best practices

2022-09-05 Thread Steve Litt
, or if you use MVC but just want to gain more ideas and techniques, or if you create web applications or if you want to start creating web applications, this presentation is for you. SteveT Steve Litt GoLUG Publicity Coordinator ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Mixer for alsa

2022-09-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 2022-09-02 at 21:50 +0200, aitor wrote: > Hi, > > On 24/8/22 3:35, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > I'll call it Gmixer for sure. > > Better publicize the hell out of the fact it has no connection with Gnome. > > The project is already finished, and finally

Re: [DNG] Mixer for alsa

2022-08-27 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 2022-08-26 at 16:24 -0700, Gregory Nowak via Dng wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 04:23:38PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Is it my imagination, or does amixer not have a command to list all cards, > > with > > their card numbers and maybe device numbers? If this

Re: [DNG] Mixer for alsa

2022-08-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 2022-08-24 at 11:57 -0700, Gregory Nowak via Dng wrote: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:42:15PM -1000, Joel Roth via Dng wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:20:23AM +0200, al3xu5 via Dng wrote: > > > - other mixers for alsa? I do not know... > > > > aumix has an ncurses interactive mode

Re: [DNG] Mixer for alsa

2022-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 2022-08-23 at 21:34 +0200, aitor wrote: > I'll call it Gmixer for sure. Better publicize the hell out of the fact it has no connection with Gnome. In 2013 I kicked every KDE executable and library off my computer for the same reason I never let systemd onto my computers. Nowadays, I

Re: [DNG] Mixer for alsa

2022-08-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 2022-08-24 at 10:24 +1000, terryc wrote: > On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 21:34:09 +0200 > aitor wrote: > > > > I'll call it Gmixer for sure. > > FYI. I mentally associate g-something with gnome. > Similarly k-something with kde. > You may or may not want the association. OTOH, it may not matter

Re: [DNG] Another problem you won't have without Systemd (or separate oomd)

2022-08-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 2022-08-20 at 10:20 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hi! > > You cannot make this up, can you? > > Bug 2119518 - GNOME being OOM killed during basic use on VM with 2G of > RAM > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2119518 Martin, after reading this, I think it's not a bug

Re: [DNG] connman missing from system menu

2022-08-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 12:20 +1000, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > > > > On 18 Aug 2022, at 02:52, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > My experience with LXDE and Openbox is that the system menu is pretty much > > given > > to > > you on LXDE/Openbox instal

Re: [DNG] connman missing from system menu

2022-08-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 2022-08-17 at 06:20 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > connman is missing from the system menu of my 32-bit laptop running chimaera. > I have installed: >     connman-gtk    verion 1.1.1+git20180626.b72c6ab-2 >     connman    version 1.36-2.2 >     connman-ui    version 0-20150623-1 > The menu

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 2022-08-06 at 08:36 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 05/08/2022 à 07:36, Steve Litt a écrit : > > Perfectionists never finish, and the perfect is the enemy of the good. > > This is absolutely true. But ... > > perfection can be approached when we keep

Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 14:53 -0700, Bruce Perens via Dng wrote: > > This goes way back. Mach did lightweight messaging and more (and survives > in MacOS, I think),  Plan 9 did the graphics API == window system API. I pretty much like GNU/Linux just as it is, but I'd love to have a sane graphics

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 17:36 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Aug 04, 2022 at 04:06:18AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > ... > > > > When I write Free Software, I'm one of those "meh, good enough" guys, > > although > > I'd > > phra

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 16:01 +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Steve Litt: > > On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 09:36 +0200, marc wrote: > > > Karl Hammar > > > > Steve Litt: > ... > > > > 1) Does Busybox init require the daemon to background itself? > >

Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 15:36 -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > I came to the conclusion a while back that systemd was symptomatic of the > fact that we had gone as far as the fundamental assumptions of the Unix API > could take us.  I find it symptomatic of the fact that a guy wrote some Rube Goldberg

Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 17:19 +, J.R. Hill wrote: > There are a few things that need to be in place for a smooth transition. > > For general trust in the project... > > 1. the init system itself should be maintained by more than a single human. This hasn't been the case with runit. It's so

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 09:36 +0200, marc wrote: > > Thanks Karl, > > > > Some questions: > > Hello > > > 1) Does Busybox init require the daemon to background itself? > > So I seem no reason why "nohup daemon > /var/log/logfile &" isn't sufficient > for this, or is there something I am not

Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 2022-08-02 at 11:25 +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Steve Litt: > ... > > * Runit > > * S6 > ... > > Why not busybox init, it handles gettys and the rest is up to > /etc/rcS, which you are free to make it do whatever you like. > > As a direct re

[DNG] GoLUG online presentation: DIY Spellchecker: My Adventures and Misadventures

2022-08-02 Thread Steve Litt
can speak and participate. When: 7pm Eastern Daylight time on Wednesday, August 3, 2022. Where: https://meet.jit.si/golug Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt GoLUG Publicity Coordinator Greater Orlando Linux User Group ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

[DNG] Wrong subject for GoLUG meeting

2022-08-02 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, The GoLUG meeting announcement sent out a few minutes ago had the wrong subject. The corrected subject is: GoLUG online presentation: General FOSS presentation Thanks, SteveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] article about devuan

2022-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 2022-08-01 at 09:29 -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > This "review" that has everybody's knickers in a twist is a tempest in a > teapot. Let it go. Instead of getting all worked up about it, get even > by joining the Devuan team and contributing something useful towards our > next

Re: [DNG] article about devuan

2022-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 2022-08-01 at 09:29 -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2022-08-01 01:33, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sun, 2022-07-31 at 13:29 +0100, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > Is it worth while considering putting a link to the article on > > > devuan.org, together with a respon

Re: [DNG] article about devuan

2022-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 2022-08-01 at 11:39 +0100, Peter Duffy wrote: > On Sun, 2022-07-31 at 09:09 -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > On 2022-07-31 07:29, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > > > > Is it worth while considering putting a link to the article on > > > devuan.org, together with a response answering the

[DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, As I said in a previous message, I see sentiment very slowly turning against systemd. If systemd keeps losing popularity, I have no doubt the corporate carpetbaggers will try to force an even worse atrocity on us, so we need to be ready this time and not have the argument centered on a

Re: [DNG] article about devuan

2022-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 2022-07-31 at 09:09 -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2022-07-31 07:29, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > > Is it worth while considering putting a link to the article on > > devuan.org, together with a response answering the criticisms in > > detail? > > > [snip] > > But beating our own

Re: [DNG] article about devuan

2022-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 2022-07-31 at 13:29 +0100, Peter Duffy wrote: > Is it worth while considering putting a link to the article on > devuan.org, together with a response answering the criticisms in > detail? Yes. SteveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] article about devuan

2022-07-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 2022-07-30 at 17:10 +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > On Saturday 30 July 2022 at 16:47:59, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Inconvenient to newbies? LOL, compare it to *too or Slackware :-) > > Have I missed something - are there spinoffs from Gentoo which also end in > too

Re: [DNG] article about devuan

2022-07-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 2022-07-30 at 16:42 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 30/07/2022 à 12:07, Steve Litt a écrit : > > I thought most of the Devuan review was accurate and complimentary. However, > > I've > > never thought of Devuan as "retro" or particularly inconvenient for

Re: [DNG] article about devuan

2022-07-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 2022-07-30 at 09:26 -0300, Fernando M. Maresca via Dng wrote: > I, however, really don't know if the author is malicious or simply ignorant; > these days there's a hord of people that think Debian's difficult. I > don't know why. I can think of only one reason: Debian's idealogical

Re: [DNG] article about devuan

2022-07-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 2022-07-30 at 13:14 +0200, tito via Dng wrote: > On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 06:07:53 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Fri, 2022-07-29 at 14:27 +0200, tito via Dng wrote: > > > https://linuxiac.com/best-systemd-free-linux-distributions/ > > > > > &

Re: [DNG] article about devuan

2022-07-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 2022-07-30 at 12:55 +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > I'm rather more amazed that he labels Devuan (and therefore by extension > Debian too) as "retro" and yet gives a pretty complimentary review, in > comparison, of Slackware! ROFLMAO you're right. SteveT

Re: [DNG] article about devuan

2022-07-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 2022-07-29 at 14:27 +0200, tito via Dng wrote: > https://linuxiac.com/best-systemd-free-linux-distributions/ > > I think the author knows nothing about devuan and spreads FUD > I thought most of the Devuan review was accurate and complimentary. However, I've never thought of Devuan as

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-15 Thread Steve Litt
lete support; indeed better support than on >Linux. Combined Windows and WSL can thereby be extended nicely in ways >pure Linux cannot. Syeed, Your paragraphs contained the words "embracing" and "extended". You forgot the word "extinquish". :-) SteveT Steve Litt

[DNG] s6: was Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-10 Thread Steve Litt
use s6 plus s6-rc, or I could apply LittKit to runit. SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-08 Thread Steve Litt
ng for Linux >altogether. What scares me is if he starts putting Microsoft-centric stuff in systemd, Linux will need to either migrate away from systemd or be subsumed by microsoft. SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models

Re: [DNG] The word is irony

2022-07-08 Thread Steve Litt
avorably to windows and Mac. Wait till systemd starts acquiring windows only characteristics. SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm ___ Dng mailing li

Re: [DNG] Linux Pro Magazine revisits Devuan

2022-07-06 Thread Steve Litt
Max Hyre said on Tue, 5 Jul 2022 18:37:50 -0400 > but I can at least slip the distro a few >dollars to defray my continuous downloads. How does one give the distro a few dollars? SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Editio

[DNG] GoLUG online presentation: DIY Spellchecker: My Adventures and Misadventures

2022-07-04 Thread Steve Litt
d the ugly, at http://golug.info . When: 7pm Eastern Daylight time on Wednesday, July 6, 2022. Starts right on time. Where: https://meet.jit.si/golug For more information: See http://golug.info Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt GoLUG Publicity Coordinator Greater Orlando Linux

Re: [DNG] starting mysql in background ?

2022-06-16 Thread Steve Litt
not as an init. Start it respawn from /etc/inittab, and start mysqld and everything that depends on it's being up in runit. If you decide to do this, I can be of more help. SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubles

[DNG] Steve Litt presents "HTML and CSS: What you need to know"

2022-05-31 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Wednesday Evening, June 1, 2022, at 7pm Eastern Daylight time Steve Litt gives his "HTML and CSS: What you need to know" presentation at the monthly GoLUG online meeting. When: 7pm Eastern Daylight time on Wednesday, June 1, 2022. Starts right at 7pm Eastern Daylight Time. Wh

Re: [DNG] New build + extras

2022-05-31 Thread Steve Litt
setup. Yours is going to be even more powerful than mine. SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi

Re: [DNG] New build + extras

2022-05-30 Thread Steve Litt
o1bigtenor said on Mon, 30 May 2022 21:16:02 -0500 >On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 8:55 PM Steve Litt >wrote: >> >> o1bigtenor via Dng said on Mon, 30 May 2022 17:07:44 -0500 >> >> >On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 5:03 PM o1bigtenor >> >> >Not trying

Re: [DNG] New build + extras

2022-05-30 Thread Steve Litt
the deep end. SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Microsoft azure and devuan

2022-05-20 Thread Steve Litt
* * \ o / \|/ | Y O U R O C K ! / \ _ / \/ / - Tell me what Free Software looks like: THIS is what Free Software looks like! Nice move, Peter! Peter Duffy said on Fri, 20 May 2022 18:31:36 +0100 >Quite a

Re: [DNG] resolv.conf

2022-05-10 Thread Steve Litt
rds of the late Phil Barnett, "While it would be nice to spend days figuring it out, I spent minutes and got past it." SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm __

Re: [DNG] resolv.conf

2022-05-09 Thread Steve Litt
In my case it doesn't matter. Since the waning days of the 20th century, my home LAN has had the TLD "cxm", because I'm a technical writer, and translating cxm to com would be much easier than doing the same for home.arpa, given that both home and arpa are likely to appear elsewhere in

Re: [DNG] resolv.conf

2022-05-09 Thread Steve Litt
. > >Me too. Me three. > >> To prevent the file from being corrupted by other applications: > >chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf I chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf also. Besides that, I run my own DNS (unbound) and strongarm my /etc/resolv.conf to that. SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured

[DNG] David Billsbrough presents "FreeBSD In The Cloud"

2022-05-03 Thread Steve Litt
, all over the United States, and likely internationally. Where can you get more information? http://golug.info Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm ___ Dng ma

[DNG] Piping is an easy way to do multithreading: was mouse driver question

2022-04-27 Thread Steve Litt
the easiest ways to get multithreading, and that, if possible, each process in the pipeline will get its own processor core (or nowadays, thread). Unix piping is a great way to actually use all those CPU threads. SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Menta

[DNG] Online GoLUG presentation tonight, 4/6/2022, 7pm

2022-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, This evening (4/6/2022) at 7pm New York time, Steve Litt gives two short Jitsi online presentations: 1) 15 minute walkthrough of his keyboard-centric user interface, which has been requested on several mailing lists. This UI can be achieved on almost any distro with almost any

[DNG] Anyone want to give a Devuan presentation 4/6/2022

2022-03-29 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Anyone want to give a Devuan presentation at the next GoLUG online meeting, 4/6/2022? SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] Wifi problem - dhclient times out with no reply

2022-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
aitor said on Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:36:41 +0100 >Hi, > >On 20/3/22 20:33, aitor wrote: >> On 20/3/22 19:50, Steve Litt wrote: >>> This is probably unresponsive to your question, but what the heck? I >>> just switched from wpa_supplicant to iwd and its sui

Re: [DNG] Wifi problem - dhclient times out with no reply

2022-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
aitor said on Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:33:03 +0100 >Hi, > >On 20/3/22 19:50, Steve Litt wrote: >> This is probably unresponsive to your question, but what the heck? I >> just switched from wpa_supplicant to iwd and its suite, and am >> incredibly pleased. > >Lookin

Re: [DNG] Wifi problem - dhclient times out with no reply

2022-03-20 Thread Steve Litt
WICD. It would be interesting to see if iwd would have the same problem with your original wifi adapter. SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists

Re: [DNG] Wifi problem - dhclient times out with no reply

2022-03-14 Thread Steve Litt
uld be gotten by running it from runit. Assuming that runit can be installed without removing sysvinit, you could respawn runit from /etc/inittab, you could prevent sysvinit from running wpa_supplicant, and you can run wpa_supplicant as a respawning daemon from runit. This could actually be the beginni

Re: [DNG] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Latex install question

2022-03-12 Thread Steve Litt
nstall texlive-base texlive-latex-base >> > >This fixed the problem. Thanks for the help! > >> There are 60+ packages that match 'texlive-*'; add others as needed. >> >> If you have sufficient disk space, you could instead run >> >> # apt-get i

Re: [DNG] Latex install question

2022-03-12 Thread Steve Litt
your distro's LaTeX package might suit you more. If you do it my way, here's the starting point for download and understanding: https://www.tug.org/texlive/quickinstall.html HTH, SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://

Re: [DNG] Installation problems on Dell T7810 + PERC H310

2022-03-09 Thread Steve Litt
;drives as SATA? Would the BIOS then manage this automagically? Is there >a master (independent) BIOS image stored on the motherboard, with a >lesser one on the controller, and configured independently via the F12 >menu. I'd ask the guys you bought it from before busting open the bo

[DNG] Michael Potter presents "Seatbelts And Airbags For Bash"

2022-03-02 Thread Steve Litt
rofile can be seen at https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelpotter/ What is GoLUG? Greater Orlando Linux User Group, Orlando Florida. Who will be there? Folks from Orlando Florida, all over the United States, and likely internationally. SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Men

[DNG] No-Internet Devuan Installer?

2022-02-24 Thread Steve Litt
there was not an assumption you'd have a connection to the Internet. With Devuan, what would be my best way of doing this, if any? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] [OT] files disappearing reproducibly

2022-02-20 Thread Steve Litt
like my C implementation does. Doubleforking works in pretty much any computer language with the fork(). You can even do it in bash or dash, but it's not so straightforward. SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm

[DNG] Inkscape Presentation at OCLUG 2/19/2022

2022-02-18 Thread Steve Litt
ou can see details and URL at http://troubleshooters.com/lugs/oclug/ Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglist

Re: [DNG] Another reason for why I use Devuan

2022-02-18 Thread Steve Litt
Keith Christian via Dng said on Thu, 17 Feb 2022 17:55:49 -0700 >This describes the machine ID: > >https%3A%2F%2Fwww.freedesktop.org >%2Fsoftware%2Fsystemd%2Fman%2Fmachine-id.html Yeah, that URL is typical of FreeDesktop.Org. They want to completely Window-ize Linux. SteveT Steve

[DNG] qownbackup

2022-02-12 Thread Steve Litt
over the good version. http://troubleshooters.com/projects/qownbackup/ SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

[DNG] URLS that were recommended in the 2/2/2022 GoLUG meeting

2022-02-05 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Several people wanted me to post the URLs recommended during the 2/2/2022 GoLUG meeting. This list of URLs has been added to the 2/2/2022 meeting material at http://golug.info . Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful

[DNG] Scheme/Lisp: was What is your take on finit?

2022-02-01 Thread Steve Litt
Nikolaus Klepp via Dng said on Tue, 1 Feb 2022 17:55:30 +0100 >Anno domini 2022 Tue, 1 Feb 11:44:37 -0500 > Steve Litt scripsit: >> In the hands of anything but a very careful and >> security-knowledgeable programmer, writing Python3 is more secure >> than writing C. Yo

Re: [DNG] What is your take on finit?

2022-02-01 Thread Steve Litt
tito via Dng said on Tue, 1 Feb 2022 13:49:30 +0100 >On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 09:50:31 +0100 >Didier Kryn wrote: > >> Le 31/01/2022 à 19:16, Steve Litt a écrit : >> >>     Writing a self-daemonizing daemon in C was a routine when I >> >> was still activ

[DNG] 3 GoLUG meeting presentations

2022-02-01 Thread Steve Litt
a noisy environment, please keep your mike muted except when speaking. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] IPv6 for dummies by a dummy (was: Configuring ethernet port for IPv6)

2022-01-31 Thread Steve Litt
hard to disable the Spectrum's wifi. The OpenBSD/pf will protect the wired network from packets initiated from the Internet or from the wifi laptops. I might leave ports 80 and 22 open to the laptops so they can get house websites or ssh in. Also, I'll need to have them receive DHCP from som

Re: [DNG] What is your take on finit?

2022-01-31 Thread Steve Litt
re difficult in Python. I try to stay away from C if Python does the job. I think Python3 plus its standard libraries are more secure than C code written by the error prone Steve Litt. As far as "routine", I would think it's a lot more difficult to have a program doublefork itself when

[DNG] Would you like to speak at the next GoLUG meeting?

2022-01-30 Thread Steve Litt
Linux distro I've seen. It's also accessible via Mac, iPhone, Windows, and Android if you're driving on that side of the street that night. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques

Re: [DNG] PHP 8.1 depends on systemd?

2022-01-29 Thread Steve Litt
systemd won't quit until the cat command requires systemd. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mai

Re: [DNG] Configuring ethernet port for IPv6

2022-01-27 Thread Steve Litt
e Wifi on a third network card. In my opinion, IOT (the Internet Of Things) is for the most part an abomination. I don't want my thermostat on the same subnet as my LAN. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubles

Re: [DNG] What is your take on finit?

2022-01-27 Thread Steve Litt
f they picked runit or s6, systemd would be out-competed. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-24 Thread Steve Litt
Bruce Perens via Dng said on Sun, 23 Jan 2022 12:02:24 -0800 >Busybox is GNU. The fact that FSF doesn't own it is immaterial. I >developed it for Debian GNU/Linux. Bruce, Thanks for developing Busybox! SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Succ

Re: [DNG] Screen readability (was Re: The Daedalus desktop needs some love)

2022-01-24 Thread Steve Litt
you're doing ;-) :-) If a software vendor prefers to make me install and learn a screen reader rather than start with readable text, probably going to move to alternative software. Like I did with Gobo. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Techn

Re: [DNG] Another one bytes the dust

2022-01-22 Thread Steve Litt
Tomasz Torcz said on Sat, 22 Jan 2022 21:24:01 +0100 >On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 03:01:06PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Apparently the Debian project is still using its unalterable yet >> gameable bureaucracy to screw over those whose opinions differ from

Re: [DNG] The Daedalus desktop needs some love

2022-01-22 Thread Steve Litt
they stuck by their guns and kept their "viewable by GenZ only" interface. Oh well. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@

[DNG] Another one bytes the dust

2022-01-22 Thread Steve Litt
letely withdraw from the Debian project. A quick web search tells me his view of systemd is not positive. Would it make any sense to invite Norbert Preining to become part of the Devuan project? SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successf

Re: [DNG] [OT] problem with quemu dnsmasq vs unbound

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Litt
0 EST 2022 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 62 real0m0.019s user0m0.004s sys 0m0.005s [slitt@mydesk nq]$ = As you can see, it took 0.3 seconds to look up a domain via recursion. It took 0.02 seconds to look it up in the cache. These timings don't seem inconvenie

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Litt
> >On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched >> the video: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E >> >> It's Brian Kernighan discu

Re: [DNG] ntp setup

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
Antony Stone said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 12:02:08 +0100 >On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 11:58:32, Steve Litt wrote: > >> I use openntpd. Is that NTP, or only SNTP? > >It's both: https://man.openbsd.org/ntpd > > >Antony. Thanks Antony, After reading that page and man 5

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
Antony Stone said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 11:53:07 +0100 >On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 11:39:25, Steve Litt wrote: > >> goli...@devuan.org said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 00:07:20 -0600 >> >> >THIS is the official Devuan logo: >> > >> >https://git.devuan.o

Re: [DNG] ntp setup

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
me full NTP time systems for Linux? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
worse, because Qt is doing it, so non-KDE apps might be involved, including the LXQt I've recommended as an alternative to the deprecated LXDE. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
goli...@devuan.org said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 00:07:20 -0600 >THIS is the official Devuan logo: > >https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/art/graphics/devuan-logo-1000x200.png Nice! SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting T

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-19 Thread Steve Litt
Antony Stone said on Wed, 19 Jan 2022 22:03:23 +0100 >On Wednesday 19 January 2022 at 21:59:46, Steve Litt wrote: > >> goli...@devuan.org said on Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:49:41 >> > >> >Like this? https://transfer.sh/cTgmNi/if-rev2.png >> >> For the first

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-19 Thread Steve Litt
. " >> >> >... >> “Your first step matters” > >I'd prefer something that say that you as an owner is in control and >has the final say. That you are not subjected to random choises by >some clique. "Devuan respects your workflow!" SteveT Steve Litt

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-19 Thread Steve Litt
tep . . . " >> >> Like this? https://transfer.sh/cTgmNi/if-rev2.png >> >> Will need to be discussed at our weekly … > >“Your first step matters” What does "Your first step matters" even mean? My first step in selecting a distro? The fact that

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-19 Thread Steve Litt
ours after you posted this, I thought "if" was the English word "if", not "Internet Freedom" or whatever. Short and to the point works only if you don't need an accompanying explanation. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of th

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-19 Thread Steve Litt
Syeed Ali said on Wed, 19 Jan 2022 09:56:59 -0800 >On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 22:59:35 -0600 >goli...@devuan.org wrote: > >> Or this might be even better https://transfer.sh/CeUT0r/if-rev3.png > >I submit: > >"Freedom includes init choice." Very nice!!!

Re: [DNG] nftables firewall and fail2ban replacement.

2022-01-16 Thread Steve Litt
would like to hear more about it. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/c

[DNG] Youtube is slow and advertisement laden: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-16 Thread Steve Litt
ael via Dng said on Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 + >On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched >> the video: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E >

[DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-16 Thread Steve Litt
ael via Dng said on Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 + >On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched >> the video: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E >

[DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-16 Thread Steve Litt
fresh air in a world worshipping Gates, Jobs and Poettering. I suggest you watch it. I think it will bring a smile to your face. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/

Re: [DNG] [OT] bash / quote weirdness

2022-01-14 Thread Steve Litt
Simon said on Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:38:56 + >Steve Litt wrote: > >> This is one reason why, in shellscripts, you >> need to quote almost all variables: So they act correctly with the >> space laden filenames that windows dwoobydogs just love to create. > >Not j

Re: [DNG] [OT] bash / quote weirdness

2022-01-14 Thread Steve Litt
Olaf Meeuwissen said on Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:40:40 +0900 >Hi, > >Steve Litt writes: > >> [...] Here at Troubleshooters.Com, spaces and all punctuation except >> underscore and hyphen are forbidden, but files coming in from the >> outside have horrible filenames. &g

Re: [DNG] bash / quote weirdness

2022-01-14 Thread Steve Litt
Benjamin Riefenstahl said on Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:33:29 +0100 >Hi Steve, > >> Benjamin Riefenstahl said on Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:19:23 +0100 >>>Different code paths within Bash. [...] > >Steve Litt writes: >> This is true, but not the explanation for this p

Re: [DNG] bash / quote weirdness

2022-01-13 Thread Steve Litt
hing like "cat"  "-n"  /etc/fstab > >Maybe to keep anyone from executing a potentially danterous command by >mistake? Yeah, that too. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/t

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