Haines Brown:
...
> I have /lib/modules/5.18.0-4-amd64/updates/dkms/vboxdrv.ko
>
> When I run modprobe on it I get this error:
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. minimizes the number of running processes
. when reading ps output, remove the kernel tasks from the list
try e.g. ps ax | egrep -v '\]$' | sort -n
. if it listens to a socket you can use netstat -tulp
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_
concept is "Everything's an API" rather than
> everything's a file.
...
Do you have some pointers to thoose experimental operating systems
so I can get a taste of what you are talking about ?
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> On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 09:36 +0200, marc wrote:
> > Karl Hammar
> > > Steve Litt:
...
> > > 1) Does Busybox init require the daemon to background itself?
> > So I seem no reason why "nohup daemon > /var/log/logfile &" isn't sufficient
ive you the choice of auto-restart or not for each
> > different
> > process? If it does, that's something specifically missing in Runit.
...
> TL;DR: just install better daemons ;)
ACK.
But you have to write them also, what others write is usually out of
your hands.
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ss either in /etc/rcS or in its own
"getty" line.
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If you place a million monkeys in front of typewriters,
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well, Internet has proved that to be wrong.
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ry it and tell us.
The simplest cause of action is to have the /dev files previously set
up. A static /dev is sufficient enless you use md's with superblock
version > 0.90, hdmi audio (I guess) and lvm, and I guess if you havn't
root access on your system and uses not perman
ermission setting, so
*dev daemons handle that part.
And, if DEVTMPFS isn't used then udev will not start, don't know
about eudev.
vdev and mdev will probably run fine without devtmpfs.
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fine in gentoo:
http://aspodata.se/computing/librnd_motif/Shell_Size_Constraint/
it also workes fine in debian woody and when rebuilding libXt in previous
devuan version, so it might be something shady in current devuan/debian libxt.
If this is really i
he server is run as root (i.e, with real-
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serial 33, synthetic NO, window 0x321,
root 0x4d3, subw 0x0, time 243505012, (60,90), root:(364,302),
state 0x100, is_hint 0, same_screen YES
ButtonRelease event, serial 33, synthetic NO, window 0x321,
root 0x4d3, subw 0x0, time 243505908, (60,90), root:(364,302),
state 0x1
sed
11:58:59.084678: (null) code=0 value=0
11:58:59.225056: (null) ??? (0x112) released
11:58:59.225056: (null) code=0 value=0
11:58:59.613730: (null) ??? (0x111) pressed
11:58:59.613730: (null) code=0 value=0
11:58:59.689984: (null) ??? (0x111) released
11:58:59.689984: (null) code=0 value=0
^C
#
Where I p
ackets. The packets then appear somewhere at /dev/input/
which X11 reads.
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> and it should be possible to determine the exact protocol.
Nice.
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ecause
usb delivers bytes in a different way, in packets, not one byte at a time.
I might make a din-8 (aka sun mouse if.) to rs232 converter within the
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>
> a try?
Cannot say much about that, but there is a -sun variant also.
You have to try around.
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. go for the old mouse driver and edit xorg.conf
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...
> The middle button is being seen as the pointer won't move when it is
> held down. It would appear the application is being told something
> different than when the standard pc mouse is used.
It is probably because you were forced to set the wron baudrate.
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Mouse Systems mouse",
B1200, CS8,
SERIO_MSC, 0x00, 0x01, 1, NULL },
So, yes, you found a bug.
Add this before the "case 2400" line:
case 1200: type[i]->speed = B1200; break;
compile and test.
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...
> I also don't like the beetle wings for buttons one and three because
> I am often accidentally clicking button three.
...
Yes, it is wery annoying when you accidentally press button three.
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l by yourself, or you use hw that can be auto
detected, there is no midpoint, like auto detect gpu and monitor, but
use this mouse...
Yea, thanks x devs. for ditching us with unusual hw.
> and b) installing xserver-xorg-input-kbd and xserver-xorg-input-mouse
...
Thoose two drivers are aband
Fred:
...
> If gpm only works in a virtual terminal why do I need to continue
> working with it? I don't use a virtual terminal.
...
Since it is such a simple test to do, e.g. you don't have to restart
the X server to try another protocol.
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Olaf Meeuwissen:
...
> As I mentioned in a previous response, nowadays Xorg gets by without
> this file quite well, most of the time. It simply probes your system
> and uses what it finds.
...
That has never worked for serial mice, sorry.
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_input
https://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxconsole/files/
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Serial_Mouse
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ith msc protocol.
Soo, what happens when you try with:
gpm -b 1200 -m /dev/ttyS1 -t msc
where ttyS1 should be changed to the serial port used.
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et gpm to do
> anything with the pointer.
Have you tried:
mouse-test [ device ]
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t the virtual
consoles/terminals works in the text mode which linux comes up in.
I.e. with no X11, wayland, openbox or whatever graphical support.
And the terminal emulators works in the graphical mode.
Some people relate this to the difference between DOS and MS-Windows.
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dCoreEvents""true"
Option "Device""/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protocol" "auto"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection
It has apperan
publicly flogged as a reminder and example to other
programmers -- well not really, but you get my point.
Most deamons I have run, they just run, they don't need a process monitor
except me.
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a number of init systems, but that
> the this very choice will have a much greater impact subsequently.
To paraphrase usenix:
;init:
but that would be too much of an internal joke.
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Somehow corporate marketing has thoose positive things seems like ads.
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https://www.if.se/
so, I'd say we cannot use it (it really make me wounder why the
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> Graphics support", put a "y" in this entry:
[ ] Enable additional push buffer debugging
There are a lot of choises in the kernel config, so the hard part is
to make the right choises.
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> I have a lenovo desktop computer which I cannot make sound work
> on, what am I missing ?
>
> It's a HDA AD1882 "sound card", but alsamixer says "no card".
>
> alsa-info, kernel config and lenovo doc (see p.80) in:
> http://aspodata.se/tmp/so
s your sound card enabled in the BIOS? (I did have
> that once so I always ask now)
Yes, very obvious...
The only configuration in BIOS I found is ENABLED/DISABLED,
and yes, I have set it to ENABLED.
Setting it to DISABLE did not help.
Nor did disabling pci
le "model" parameter
> values for the driver.
>
> Perhaps worth trying those?
I have tried all thoose three as model parameter, still "no souncard".
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HDA Intel at 0xd01a irq 26
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> The first one gives me an unbootable system
> $ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr
> libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0
> (0x7f737ba28000)
...
So, how do I change the above package to install the lib in
/lib//x86_64-linux-gnu instea
sr/share/initramfs-tools, in order to include it in the
> initrd? Sorry,
> but i'm a bit unaware of the thread...
No, haven't tried it, don't use initrd, booting directly to disk.
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...
What makes you believe that ?
ld.so.cache is just fine, the problem is that the lib is on a
filesystem that isn't available at kernel to init handover time.
If I move over the lib to the root fs, then there is no problem
other than that apt/dpkg et al. don't know about
n several partitions.
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t want that either.
Why don't you start a process monitor, either at the end of the rcS
script or from the inittab. So, in effect let init handle
/etc/rcS.d/S* and the gettys, and the process monitor /etc/rc2.d/S*.
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> I have used busybox init for a while. It differs from sysvinit
> by not having runlevels, except perhaps on and off.
...
> One could possible (not tested) mimic sysvinit bootup by having
> for i in /etc/rc2.d/S*; do $i start; done
> in the rcS file or if you prefer you ca
rce for comment around that dependency
> change.
Apart from the strange numbering (which is upstreams fault),
the dependancy migration seems sane.
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nd /sbin, there is no need to create a new one.
> and a bb.d subdirectory with scripts to be performed in
> order.
We already have one, /etc/rcS.d, which serves booting.
///
If you seriously want new directories for booting, somewhere
in /boot is more appropriate, it c
at can I do to help with that ?
> https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/dpkg/dpkg-fsys-usrunmess.8.de.html
> worked for me. No guarantees from my side.
$ dpkg-fsys-usrunmess -n
D: checking symlink? /bin
...
System is fine, no aliased directories found, congrats!
Well,
th CUPS and just worked.
Well, that is fine, but when it don't work, it is a black box.
///
Regarding driverless printing, that is what I always had it with
postscript. PCL could probably work also, but there is no PCL
previewer what I know of. Sending pdfs to printer usually gets
m
Karl:
> The first one gives me an unbootable system
> $ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr
> libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0
> (0x7f737ba28000)
>
> fortunately /bin/bash didn't depend on /usr so I could boot with
> init=/bin/bash, bu
t; > a shell
> > reboot, shutdown
> > swapon/swapoff
> > mount, umount
> > (start-stop-daemon)
> > (getty, login)
> Â Â Â AFAIR you would also need cttyhack, setsid and a few others I've
> forgotten if you want to be able to debug it.
...
cttyhack and setsid
t mode on the front panel, run plain old
lpr and be done with it. And tell your programs to always output
postscript.
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ii mount2.36.1-8+devuan1
amd64tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems
Soo, what can I do to help with that ?
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just don't know the devuan process.
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so if you start off the BBB, this one could be the next in your
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Just because debian wants to go that route doesn't mean
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nds on what you want.
> Every time the kernel updates,
No, you don't have to follow the dists update schedule, you don't
need to use the dist kernel at all.
It should read, every time _you_ want to update the kernel.
> you need to get the new kernel's source, recompile, and
> replace
her beef I have: Why don't they build Ext4 and
> maybe a couple other mainstream filesystems into the kernel, so if I
> want, I can boot without initramfs? What would it cost?
...
I use it all the time.
Just do it yourself, it just cost you a little time, or do you
volunteer to maintain a
For libc5, run "man libc" and look under the heading "Linux libc".
The latest libc5 package is from 2003 in debian-archive, from what I
can see:
debian-archive/debian/pool/main/libc/libc/libc5_5.4.46-15_i386.deb
That is within Debian 3.0, Woody, timeline.
R
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> https://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Dev/DeprecatingNtpdate
...
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You might then be better served by chrony or something else.
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Arnt Karlssen:
...
> ..try apulse $them, at least the firefox people said they
> "would only support PulseAudio" a while back.
firefox 78.9.0esr works with jack for me.
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> It's clearly more efficient if I want to look at files on the world-wide
> web.
>
> But not what I want if I want to examine files on the server.
Don't know, firfox --no-remote might help.
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e more specific.
///
Upstream date (coreutils) has got a debug flag that might be useful:
$ LC_TIME=sv_SE ./date --debug
./date: output format: ?%a %e %b %Y %H:%M:%S %Z?
tis 30 mar 2021 18:39:34 UTC
$ LC_TIME=en_US ./date --debug
./date: output format: ?%a %d %b %Y %r %Z?
Tue 30 Mar 2021 06:39:38 P
wikipedia.org/wiki/BigBlueButton
Anyone knows which one to choose for a smallish group (< 20 persons) ?
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xpected in 1998, my guess is that you didn't
like the middle click thing, while others like it.
As it stands today, we have two somewhat colliding ways to do
cut'n'paste in linux+X.
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Here are a few links about cut'n'paste:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut,_copy,_and_paste
https://everything2.com/title/Cut+and+Paste+in+X
https://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html
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for mice which only have two physical buttons. The third button
is emulated by pressing both buttons simultaneously. Default:
on, until a press of a physical button 3 is detected. Property:
"Mouse Middle Button Em
t; lying round somewhere.
>
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive
And the timeline is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history
A decade ago would be lenny or squeeze.
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on is in effect, unless the symbolic link is
broken. If you want to search for symbolic links when -L
is in effect, use -xtype.
s socket
$
See also the discussion about 'The file type and mode' in man inode.
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> There are files and directories.
>
> Is there an establiched word in the Linux/Unix xommunity
> for something which might be a file or a directory?
One could possible use "file system node", perhaps shortened to fsnode.
/sg_map.8.gz
sg3-utils: /usr/share/man/man8/sg_map26.8.gz
votca-csg: /usr/bin/csg_map
votca-csg: /usr/share/man/man1/csg_map.1.gz
To get the serial number of a disk, do
# sg_inq /dev/sda
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> couldn't bother looking at 'dmesg | tail' before running dd against an
> SD card.
...
There is more than one way to do it:
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The kernel has to be specially prepared with mknbi.
The kernel then mounts a nfs fs as root.
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What do you need help with ?
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libx32quadmath0:amd64 libx32stdc++6:amd64 libx32ubsan0:amd64
//
reboot without problems
starting x worked fine
unfortunately emacs have stopped honouring the geometry option
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> Device Start End Sectors Size Type
> /dev/sdb1 20483481532768 16M unknown
> /dev/sdb2 34816 31116254 31081439 14.8G unknown
# file -s /dev/sdb1
# file -s /dev/sdb2
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lly partition etc. the disks from some rescue media or in another
box and then copies some pre-prepared image of a system to disk, chroot
to target system and set up booting. That way I can get rid of udev
which I don't need.
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system then calls the device_inserted() callback usually
available during my awake hours and is denied when when I sleep.
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If you just have one or two, you don't need that.
Also that could be generated by a script which you run manually when
needed.
3) can't you do ifrename from rc.local
So unless you change things you don't need udev.
Unfortunately, many things have grown to depend
as
> to replace udev by a script, provided devtmpfs is enabled in the kernel.
Since nowadays the kernel can provide devtmpfs, what is the role of
udev et al apart from handling usb devices ?
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that you are using e.g. Devuan, and that you are
concerned about it for some reason.
Depending about how many who is doing so, you might be singled out.
If it is for tracking, best is to not to have the infrastructure for
this at all, i.e. bug programs that wants it
Why would a network centric program need this unless it wants to
expose it ?
> but first things first: do we want /etc/machine-id? and how?
In my view it falls in the completely unnessesary or the potentially
dangerous group.
I don't want it.
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/Karl Hammar
hendrik:
> Currently booting from a 750G BIOS-partitioned disk.
> Trying to enable booting from the 4.7T drive, which is GPT partitioned.
>
> With grub-install I get errors:
>
> april:/farhome/hendrik# grub-install /dev/sda
> Installing for i386-pc platform.
> grub-install: warning: this GPT
Tom:
...
> What is the recommended alternative way to create a sub-directory of
> /var/run on bootup for non-daemon software?
Don't know about "recommended", but you can
. prepend your cron script like (or have a wrapper):
if [ ! -d / ]; then mkdir -p /var/run/barman; fi
. in the crontab
Didier:
...
> 2) there isn't a function in the C library which permits to change
> the name of a file (or open it), except by giving its whole pathname.
> Eg. it's not possible to open it from its directory entry.
...
man openat
man renameat
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/Ka
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