Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jul 09, 2017 at 04:31:18PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 09:35:06PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at face > > value and answered why it's so dam hard to alt-init a systemd-infested > > system. You can

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-10 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Jul 09, 2017 at 02:15:56PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > Geez. I had a Debian system go belly-up last night because /var got messed > up. No journal, so you can't boot out of emergency mode. Can't mount a > damned USB stick in emergency mode because udev isn't running. Got to boot > a

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-09 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 09:35:06PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at face > value and answered why it's so dam hard to alt-init a systemd-infested > system. You can see my answer here: > >

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-09 Thread Bruce Perens
Geez. I had a Debian system go belly-up last night because /var got messed up. No journal, so you can't boot out of emergency mode. Can't mount a damned USB stick in emergency mode because udev isn't running. Got to boot a rescue disk to get anything done. We really have gone wrong...

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-09 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-07-09 17:10, schrieb Edward Bartolo: I have been running Devuan since August of two years ago, and I do not regret it. Being forced to do Linux the way seen from above, would have definitely killed my motivation to use a different OS completely. Devuan is giving me freedom; Devuan is

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-09 Thread golinux
On 2017-07-09 03:37, KatolaZ wrote: On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 09:35:06PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, I recently got an email that asked me the question (among others) "Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?" Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-09 Thread Edward Bartolo
Like the majority of users of Devuan, at first, when Debian was forked and Devuan established, it was considered by the rest as a joke that cannot be taken seriously. The argument was Debian was too big a distribution to fork and systemd was 'the way to go'. Determination and perseverance have

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-09 Thread golinux
On 2017-07-09 09:22, Evilham wrote: Hello Douglas, Am 09/07/2017 um 14:42 schrieb Douglas Guptill: On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 11:13:16PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: Here are some ideas: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=589 Eventually something will light your fire. :) OK, thanks

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-09 Thread Evilham
Hello Douglas, Am 09/07/2017 um 14:42 schrieb Douglas Guptill: > On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 11:13:16PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > >> Here are some ideas: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=589 Eventually >> something will light your fire. :) > > OK, thanks for that. > >> Remember

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-09 Thread Douglas Guptill
On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 11:13:16PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Here are some ideas: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=589 Eventually > something will light your fire. :) OK, thanks for that. > Remember that a lot happens on irc too. I have installed irssi, and fired it up. But

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 09:35:06PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > I recently got an email that asked me the question (among others) "Why > did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?" > > Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at face > value and answered why

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Steve. Steve Litt - 08.07.17, 21:35: > I recently got an email that asked me the question (among others) "Why > did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?" > > Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at face > value and answered why it's so dam hard to alt-init a

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-08 Thread golinux
On 2017-07-08 22:31, Douglas Guptill wrote: On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 09:35:06PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I recently got an email that asked me the question (among others) "Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?" Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-08 Thread Douglas Guptill
On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 09:35:06PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I recently got an email that asked me the question (among others) "Why > did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?" > > Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at face > value and answered why it's so dam

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 20:47:16 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2017-07-08 20:35, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I recently got an email that asked me the question (among others) > > "Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?" > > > > Rather than argue the exact amount of time,

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-08 Thread golinux
On 2017-07-08 20:35, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, I recently got an email that asked me the question (among others) "Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?" Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at face value and answered why it's so dam hard to alt-init a

[DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

2017-07-08 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, I recently got an email that asked me the question (among others) "Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?" Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at face value and answered why it's so dam hard to alt-init a systemd-infested system. You can see my