Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
The Pale Moon upstream chooses not to support WebRTC ( https://www.palemoon.org/roadmap.shtml), so Pale Moon most definitely will not work with calls like Jitsi Meet, etc. A few months ago it stopped working with Google Hangouts/Voice voice calls, which I eventually figured out was because Hangouts moved to WebRTC. I am uncertain if that means the hangouts plugin uses webrtc, or if the plugin is unnecessary. Regardless, Pale Moon won't work with Hangouts anymore. I've had to switch to Chromium on my Devuan (Ceres) instances for voice and video calls. B. Stack On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 11:13 AM Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 11:53:25PM -0500, Rod Rodolico wrote: > > > > No, it does not block any browser. But, it will not work as well (or at > > all) with some. I've tested it so far with FF, Safari, Chromium, Chrome, > > Pale Moon and IE. > > > > Chrome/Chromium - works consistently all the time > > > FF -- it works for some, and not for others (I've had no problems). > I've been unable to get other sites to access my camera & microphone. > There's thie permissions problem. I can get as far in configuration that > I > find a list of sites authorised to do this. But it's empty. It also > gives me > a list of sites that have asked for access, so I can click on one and give > ti > permission. This is also empty, even though I'm currently on a site that > needs > them, There seems to be no way of typng in a URL. I gave up. > > > Safari - (one machine) was pretty FUBAR. Gave up. > > IE -- see Safari > > Pale Moon -- it could not figure out where my camera/microphone were > > Would that be a problem with Pale Moon? Does pale Moon otherwise know how > to > find camera or microphone? > > > > > > I did not test Edge, but assume it would work ok since the engine is the > > same as Chrome, from what I understand (my main interaction with Edge is > > disabling it on client machines). > > > > Rod > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 11:53:25PM -0500, Rod Rodolico wrote: > > No, it does not block any browser. But, it will not work as well (or at > all) with some. I've tested it so far with FF, Safari, Chromium, Chrome, > Pale Moon and IE. > > Chrome/Chromium - works consistently all the time > FF -- it works for some, and not for others (I've had no problems). I've been unable to get other sites to access my camera & microphone. There's thie permissions problem. I can get as far in configuration that I find a list of sites authorised to do this. But it's empty. It also gives me a list of sites that have asked for access, so I can click on one and give ti permission. This is also empty, even though I'm currently on a site that needs them, There seems to be no way of typng in a URL. I gave up. > Safari - (one machine) was pretty FUBAR. Gave up. > IE -- see Safari > Pale Moon -- it could not figure out where my camera/microphone were Would that be a problem with Pale Moon? Does pale Moon otherwise know how to find camera or microphone? > > I did not test Edge, but assume it would work ok since the engine is the > same as Chrome, from what I understand (my main interaction with Edge is > disabling it on client machines). > > Rod ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On 5/8/20 7:35 PM, tom wrote: > On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 09:24:47 +0300 > Dimitris via Dng wrote: > >> On 4/7/20 9:05 AM, Rod Rodolico wrote: >>> but it works so far with FF >> >> >> doesn't work for everyone, that's why jitsi suggests the use of >> chromium based browsers.. >> >> https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/commit/92740707f01547d4e431050ade1d17589c544629#diff-12cdb961bef2a8b83d0f510226f85495 >> >> >> https://community.jitsi.org/t/software-unusable-on-firefox-why/22143/10 >> https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758 >> > > suggests? you mean flat out blocks anyone not on chrome or firefox > No, it does not block any browser. But, it will not work as well (or at all) with some. I've tested it so far with FF, Safari, Chromium, Chrome, Pale Moon and IE. Chrome/Chromium - works consistently all the time FF -- it works for some, and not for others (I've had no problems). Safari - (one machine) was pretty FUBAR. Gave up. IE -- see Safari Pale Moon -- it could not figure out where my camera/microphone were I did not test Edge, but assume it would work ok since the engine is the same as Chrome, from what I understand (my main interaction with Edge is disabling it on client machines). Rod -- Rod Rodolico Daily Data, Inc. POB 140465 Dallas TX 75214-0465 US http://dailydata.net 214.827.2170 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
Quoting tom (t...@206-212-236-243.static.onlinenw.com): > suggests? you mean flat out blocks anyone not on chrome or firefox Do your Web browsers tell the truth when queried for User-Agent? How very 1995 of you. ;-> -- Cheers, Rick Moen"The first rule of Dunning-Kruger club is r...@linuxmafia.com you don't know you're in Dunning-Kruger club." McQ! (4x80) -- @drankturpentine (Dennis Detwiller) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 09:24:47 +0300 Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 4/7/20 9:05 AM, Rod Rodolico wrote: > > but it works so far with FF > > > doesn't work for everyone, that's why jitsi suggests the use of > chromium based browsers.. > > https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/commit/92740707f01547d4e431050ade1d17589c544629#diff-12cdb961bef2a8b83d0f510226f85495 > > > https://community.jitsi.org/t/software-unusable-on-firefox-why/22143/10 > https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758 > suggests? you mean flat out blocks anyone not on chrome or firefox -- ___ / The only thing necessary for the \ | triumph of evil is for good men to do | \ nothing. - Edmund Burke / --- \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 04:32:54PM +0200, Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > Raul Claro wrote: > > is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with > > Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact > > with. such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with > > Windows or Mac and Chrome. > > > > Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? > > > I get back to the root of this - I do not want to touch chrome. There's jitsi. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Hello Riccardo, > From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Riccardo Mottola > via Dng > I installed SkypeForLinux and it works very well - maybe it is not the > best answer, it is not "open" but at least not browser based! ah! SO in I wonder, did you give for example [q]Tox a try, before resorting to pay by your and your contacts privacy for a "free service" and here suggesting to others to do the same? > matter of "trust" I don't perceive it as worse and it is an application, > so once I closed it it's closed. Do you have *any* possibility to check whether your "trust" is not being betrayed? /D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
Hi,
Raul Claro wrote:
is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with
Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with.
such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or
Mac and Chrome.
Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems?
I get back to the root of this - I do not want to touch chrome.
I installed SkypeForLinux and it works very well - maybe it is not the
best answer, it is not "open" but at least not browser based! ah! SO in
matter of "trust" I don't perceive it as worse and it is an application,
so once I closed it it's closed.
It works very well on Devuan, I am surprised, fine experience.
So, Mac, Windows and Linux/amd64 - a bit better and especially other
interlocutors ("normal" business, not other hackers) are likely to have it.
On the other hand, never ever support for other CPUs, architectures,
BSD... so trade off.
I was advised to "mumble", but have no first-hand experience.
RIccardo
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Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 07:07:58AM +, R. de Vreede via Dng wrote: > Jitsi Meet can be used to phone in too if you have a SIP provider linked in > the settings. > I installed Jitsi Meet as a Docker container (the jitsi/jvb version) which > requires adapting settings in just one file including integrating of Let's > Encrypt. > > > From: Dng on behalf of Gregory Nowak > > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 6:30 AM > To: Hendrik Boom > Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN? > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 09:46:02PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr. > > Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium? One of my regular > > meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice. > > Can you use a smart phone? Also, dialing in through a regular phone > number is a possibility with Zoom meetings. I ended up using an android tablet on a stand so the camera's video would be stable. After missing one meeting assuing the computer would work. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On April 4, 2020 5:07:56 AM CDT, Raul Claro wrote: :: Dear Devlers, :: :: is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with :: Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact :: with. :: such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or :: :: Mac and Chrome. :: :: Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? :: :: Thanks :: :: Raúl Apologies if it's been mentioned already. Nextcloud Talk may be of interest. Also there is Mumble for voice chat. I've hosted and run both of these for years and impressed. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On Wed, 2020-04-08 at 14:07 -0700, spiralofhope wrote: > As an aside, gab.com has been working on its own alternative, but they > haven't released any details (or source code) and I wouldn't be > surprised if it became a paid service for significant use. They have already said it will be a paid service for heavier users. Everybody charges for this stuff beyond a few users, it ain't cheap to host. But Gab has finally got the Open Source religion so we can expect a code drop for a working video conference system that is fully browser based on all major platforms since they can't have an app, they are deplatformed everywhere, even on f-droid. Adversity inspires innovation. They have their own fork of Brave for a browser so expect the initial target to be the Chromium family tree. Once server code drops somebody has to figure out how many oddball dependencies it has and get a package upstream into Debian. If every organization could host video conferences internally, and without it being yet another "dangit, gotta dual boot Windoze to talk to people" situation, it would be a game changer. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On 4/8/20 9:03 PM, tom wrote: > I think it's pretty horrible for Jitsi to flat out block every other > browser than Chrome or Firefox. Jitsi "blocks" firefox too.. jitsi meet officially recommends only chromium-based browsers. work on firefox compatibility has started, but still nothing working... so even for us ff users, jitsi doesn't work well. (one on one works ok, but video/audio conference is a very bad experience.. (no video/audio, random freezes where a reload is needed, very bad video/audio quality with breaks, etc.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 11:03:39AM -0700, tom wrote: > On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 11:34:19 +0300 > Dimitris via Dng wrote: >> On 4/7/20 5:17 PM, g4sra via Dng wrote: >>> OMG how can you agree with Dal and then go on to suggest the use of >>> something cloud based and written in Java ? >> >> jitsi can be installed anywhere. https://meet.jit.si is cloud based >> in europe dcs, run by jitsi devs, yes. but you don't have to use >> that, there are hundrends of other public jitsi meet instances >> (random list : >> https://fediverse.blog/~/DonsBlog/videochat-server?responding_to=745) >> and of course you can host your own. *SKIP* > I think it's pretty horrible for Jitsi to flat out block every other > browser than Chrome or Firefox. > any time I go to a Jitsi server it just gives me a blank blue page > saying this: > It looks like your using a browser we don't support. Please try again > with the latest version of Chrome and Firefox Also, please note "latest". Any time ESRs of these might go down too. *CUT* -- Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
Did a little test of Jitsi tonight. First thing is there were no appreciable cpu or memory requirement increase when multiple users are connected in a session. However, bandwidth is a consideration. These readings are from the server. Started with two users. Bandwidth was at around 8Mb/s, pretty evenly divided between up and down. Added third user and the bandwidth went to 15Mb/s again fairly evenly divided with 8M incoming and 7M outgoing. The fourth user was having issues with their network connection at their home, but we saw the bandwidth jump to 20Mb/s for a brief period; too short for Zabbix to graph (it does 5 minute averages). When the fourth user disconnected, bandwidth dropped back to 16Mb/s. Finally, with three users, one user dropped their camera quality (through the Jitsi interface) to "Low", with an almost immediate drop from 15-16Mb/s to 13Mb/s. The other two followed suit, dropping their image quality and we were able to achieve 12Mb/s. We then stopped the test. Again, not as much information as I would have preferred, but it gives an indication to those who were wanting to install a video server on their own machines with limited bandwidth. Changing image quality is on a per-user basis, on their individual connection; I'm not aware of any way to do that on the server. However, there is a lot I don't know about this system. Rod On 4/7/20 2:11 PM, Rod Rodolico wrote: > yes. There is an icon on the screen (browser based) showing network > speed and drops. It will automagically change frame rate, though that is > not seamless. However, there is a menu item that allows you to change > your image quality from the browser session. > > The 8Mb/s was on my server. I believe my client in most sessions has > been running a lot less, though I haven't checked that yet. I'm guessing > around 2Mb/s, but not sure. > > Rod > > > On 04/07/2020 09:45 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 01:05:10AM -0500, Rod Rodolico wrote: >>> I just installed a Jitsi instance on one of my old servers last week. My >>> 15 year old granddaughter did most of the work. We built it as a Xen >>> virtual with 10G disk, 4G RAM and 4 dedicated cores. We used ASCII as >>> the Distro. >>> >>> Tests so far have been two people (test for more planned for later this >>> week). With two people in the video conference, we ran about 8Mb/s >>> pretty steady the whole hour. Processor was about 40% on all four cores >>> and RAM was pretty much untouched. >> >> Looks a little tight. My DSL link provides 6 Mbps. I wonder if it >> adjusts the video quality or framerate to match the aailable bandwidth. >> >> -- hendrik >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > -- Rod Rodolico Daily Data, Inc. POB 140465 Dallas TX 75214-0465 US http://dailydata.net 214.827.2170 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:07:56 +0200 Raul Claro wrote: > is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with > Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact > with. such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with > Windows or Mac and Chrome. > > Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? As an aside, gab.com has been working on its own alternative, but they haven't released any details (or source code) and I wouldn't be surprised if it became a paid service for significant use. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 11:34:19 +0300 Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 4/7/20 5:17 PM, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > OMG how can you agree with Dal and then go on to suggest the use of > > something cloud based and written in Java ? > > jitsi can be installed anywhere. https://meet.jit.si is cloud based in > europe dcs, run by jitsi devs, yes. but you don't have to use that, > there are hundrends of other public jitsi meet instances (random > list : > https://fediverse.blog/~/DonsBlog/videochat-server?responding_to=745) > and of course you can host your own. > > zoom is also cloud based proprietary thing, based in the us... so not > a good thing having our calls stored in some nsa dc in gafamville, > usa... also misleading ads, privacy concers, data sellout.. how's > that any different than skype? > > random link : > https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/04/security_and_pr_1.html > > I think it's pretty horrible for Jitsi to flat out block every other browser than Chrome or Firefox. any time I go to a Jitsi server it just gives me a blank blue page saying this: It looks like your using a browser we don't support. Please try again with the latest version of Chrome and Firefox I have been through the browser wars of the 90s and I sure as hell am not ready for browser war 2.0 Do we need to bring back the anybrowser.org buttons? -- / This fortune soaks up 47 times its own \ \ weight in excess memory. / \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On 4/7/20 5:17 PM, g4sra via Dng wrote: > OMG how can you agree with Dal and then go on to suggest the use of something > cloud based and written in Java ? jitsi can be installed anywhere. https://meet.jit.si is cloud based in europe dcs, run by jitsi devs, yes. but you don't have to use that, there are hundrends of other public jitsi meet instances (random list : https://fediverse.blog/~/DonsBlog/videochat-server?responding_to=745) and of course you can host your own. zoom is also cloud based proprietary thing, based in the us... so not a good thing having our calls stored in some nsa dc in gafamville, usa... also misleading ads, privacy concers, data sellout.. how's that any different than skype? random link : https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/04/security_and_pr_1.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Steve Litt wrote on 8/4/20 3:06 am: > On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 00:40:50 +1000 > Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > > >> I've done two separate jitsi installations on tiny qemu hosts >> (beowulf), single-cpu with 1G RAM (and 4G swap). An ad hoc test >> indicated a load increase of about 0.2 per connections, and it worked >> on the test with 8 connections (5 from myself, and 3 from someone >> else). > > Hi Ralph, > > Could you please post the shellscript with which you spin up these qemu > hosts? I've never been successful building a qemu host with full > featured networking. Ah, those hosts I rent from Vultr.com at $5.5/m, and admittedly I'm only guessing they are qemu hosts from some droppings in dmesg. However, I think I've learnt enough of qemu networking to call it easy, so let me digress this thread momentarily about this. The options are many and it depends on your taste. Basically, you'll need to add two command line "-net" arguments": one for selecting network device in the guest, and one for identifying the connection facility on the host. Perhaps like so: -net nic,macaddr=04:07:a6:c8:34:e2 -net vde,sock=/tmp/vde.ctl The first says to use the default net device in the guest with the specified MAC address. The second says to use "vde" networking via the /tmp/vde.ctl socket directory. vde is installed as "vde2", and I do it this way because it lets me set up the host side once for any number of concurrent qemu guests. So for completeness: I would have set up the host with something like the following: # ip tuntap add tap0 mode tap user ralph # ifconfig tap0 10.10.10.1/24 up # sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 # iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.10.10.0/24 -j MASQUERADE # dnsmasq -i tap0 -a 10.10.10.1 -I wlan0 -I eth0 -K -D -N -b \ --dhcp-sequential-ip --dhcp-hostsfile=/home/share/dhcphosts \ -F 10.10.10.2,10.10.10.254,255.255.255.0,10.10.10.255 $ vde_switch -t tap0 -d That one is a little bit of a mouthful but it's easily scriptable: 1. create a tap owned by "ralph", 2. configure it with IP 10.10.10.1, 3. enable kernel forwarding, 4. add NAT masquerading for packets from the tap0 network and 5. set up a DHCP responder and DNS forwarder for that interface taking static ques from the file /home/share/dhcphosts (with lines like "04:44:25:2f:17:12,beowulf-i386,10.10.10.2", though fully optional) 6. finally, run the vde networking switch as user ralph Skip point 5 and use static IP set up in the guest if the host's port 53 is already taken by some other program; dnsmasq gets unrecoverably sulky if it can't grab that, but there are also other ways to service DHCP. And if you want to go ipv6, you'll need different steps 2 and 5, but the rest stays the same. I set up the host side with tap0 "owned" by "ralph" so I can run vde_switch and the qemu guests as "ralph" (rather than "root"). The set up survives any number of qemu up/down, separately or concurrently, and I think of it as the easiest way. It also seems to perform better even than having a separate tap for each qemu; at least it did that one time when I tested it. btw, the MAC address choice has some rules apart from needing to be different from any other MAC address your networking will get to know of. My rule of thumb is to start with 04, end with 2, and fill the middle "randomly", but keep the same MAC address allocated for its individual guest system, which I also keep documented in /home/share/dhcphosts. hth Ralph. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Anno domini 2020 Tue, 7 Apr 14:11:57 -0500 Rod Rodolico scripsit: > yes. There is an icon on the screen (browser based) showing network > speed and drops. It will automagically change frame rate, though that is > not seamless. However, there is a menu item that allows you to change > your image quality from the browser session. > > The 8Mb/s was on my server. I believe my client in most sessions has > been running a lot less, though I haven't checked that yet. I'm guessing > around 2Mb/s, but not sure. Upstream or downstream? Nik > > Rod > > > On 04/07/2020 09:45 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 01:05:10AM -0500, Rod Rodolico wrote: > >> I just installed a Jitsi instance on one of my old servers last week. My > >> 15 year old granddaughter did most of the work. We built it as a Xen > >> virtual with 10G disk, 4G RAM and 4 dedicated cores. We used ASCII as > >> the Distro. > >> > >> Tests so far have been two people (test for more planned for later this > >> week). With two people in the video conference, we ran about 8Mb/s > >> pretty steady the whole hour. Processor was about 40% on all four cores > >> and RAM was pretty much untouched. > > > > Looks a little tight. My DSL link provides 6 Mbps. I wonder if it > > adjusts the video quality or framerate to match the aailable bandwidth. > > > > -- hendrik > > ___ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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yes. There is an icon on the screen (browser based) showing network speed and drops. It will automagically change frame rate, though that is not seamless. However, there is a menu item that allows you to change your image quality from the browser session. The 8Mb/s was on my server. I believe my client in most sessions has been running a lot less, though I haven't checked that yet. I'm guessing around 2Mb/s, but not sure. Rod On 04/07/2020 09:45 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 01:05:10AM -0500, Rod Rodolico wrote: >> I just installed a Jitsi instance on one of my old servers last week. My >> 15 year old granddaughter did most of the work. We built it as a Xen >> virtual with 10G disk, 4G RAM and 4 dedicated cores. We used ASCII as >> the Distro. >> >> Tests so far have been two people (test for more planned for later this >> week). With two people in the video conference, we ran about 8Mb/s >> pretty steady the whole hour. Processor was about 40% on all four cores >> and RAM was pretty much untouched. > > Looks a little tight. My DSL link provides 6 Mbps. I wonder if it > adjusts the video quality or framerate to match the aailable bandwidth. > > -- hendrik > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Rod Rodolico Daily Data, Inc. POB 140465 Dallas TX 75214-0465 US http://dailydata.net 214.827.2170 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 00:40:50 +1000 Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > I've done two separate jitsi installations on tiny qemu hosts > (beowulf), single-cpu with 1G RAM (and 4G swap). An ad hoc test > indicated a load increase of about 0.2 per connections, and it worked > on the test with 8 connections (5 from myself, and 3 from someone > else). Hi Ralph, Could you please post the shellscript with which you spin up these qemu hosts? I've never been successful building a qemu host with full featured networking. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt March 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 01:05:10AM -0500, Rod Rodolico wrote: > I just installed a Jitsi instance on one of my old servers last week. My > 15 year old granddaughter did most of the work. We built it as a Xen > virtual with 10G disk, 4G RAM and 4 dedicated cores. We used ASCII as > the Distro. > > Tests so far have been two people (test for more planned for later this > week). With two people in the video conference, we ran about 8Mb/s > pretty steady the whole hour. Processor was about 40% on all four cores > and RAM was pretty much untouched. Looks a little tight. My DSL link provides 6 Mbps. I wonder if it adjusts the video quality or framerate to match the aailable bandwidth. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Rod Rodolico wrote on 7/4/20 4:05 pm: > I just installed a Jitsi instance on one of my old servers last week. My > 15 year old granddaughter did most of the work. We built it as a Xen > virtual with 10G disk, 4G RAM and 4 dedicated cores. We used ASCII as > the Distro. > ... I've done two separate jitsi installations on tiny qemu hosts (beowulf), single-cpu with 1G RAM (and 4G swap). An ad hoc test indicated a load increase of about 0.2 per connections, and it worked on the test with 8 connections (5 from myself, and 3 from someone else). Of course my chrome client couldn't service more than 5 concurrent connections, and that took that client machine (8 CPU with 16 G RAM) up to a load of 15, but the server was happy. I give a special tick for jitsi that it is without any login, ie "anonymous", and the server, if you want one, is quite easily installed. I wanted my own server nearby in Sydney, and in LA for a friend; meet.jit.si is somewhere in EU I think. Ralph. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 03:17:43PM +0100, g4sra via Dng wrote: > On 07/04/2020 14:23, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > Second that. I love qTox, but I need something for a lecture. > > Jitsi or https://meet.jit.si/ look like a nice thing - > > as long as I do not forget to revoke mic+camera permissions > > after the session :/ On my laptop I can just that turn off power to the mic and camera. > > > > Nik > > OMG how can you agree with Dal and then go on to suggest the use of something > cloud based and written in Java ? Not necessarily cloud-based. He could run jitsi on his own server. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Le 07/04/2020 à 02:46, Dan Purgert a écrit : Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven themselves less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks. In addition, Zoom is the one which depends on ibus. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On 07/04/2020 14:23, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2020 Tue, 7 Apr 13:07:47 + > dal scripsit: >>> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of g4sra via Dng >>> Sent: den 7 april 2020 14:31 >> >>> zoom is not an evil company, unlike Google they do not set out to take your >>> data, they are just a bit security naive. >> >> How can you know/control what they will do with your data? >> Google is a troubled reference in this very sense, known for touting "not >> being evil". >> >> To remain on-topic, which is to recommend something good, >> we really should not suggest trusting one's data to a "security naïve" party >> (especially when its business is pretty much to act as a man-in-the-middle). >> >> /D > > Second that. I love qTox, but I need something for a lecture. Jitsi or > https://meet.jit.si/ look like a nice thing - as long as I do not forget to > revoke mic+camera permissions after the session :/ > > Nik OMG how can you agree with Dal and then go on to suggest the use of something cloud based and written in Java ? > >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Anno domini 2020 Tue, 7 Apr 13:07:47 + dal scripsit: > > From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of g4sra via Dng > > Sent: den 7 april 2020 14:31 > > > zoom is not an evil company, unlike Google they do not set out to take your > > data, they are just a bit security naive. > > How can you know/control what they will do with your data? > Google is a troubled reference in this very sense, known for touting "not > being evil". > > To remain on-topic, which is to recommend something good, > we really should not suggest trusting one's data to a "security naïve" party > (especially when its business is pretty much to act as a man-in-the-middle). > > /D Second that. I love qTox, but I need something for a lecture. Jitsi or https://meet.jit.si/ look like a nice thing - as long as I do not forget to revoke mic+camera permissions after the session :/ Nik > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of g4sra via Dng > Sent: den 7 april 2020 14:31 > zoom is not an evil company, unlike Google they do not set out to take your > data, they are just a bit security naive. How can you know/control what they will do with your data? Google is a troubled reference in this very sense, known for touting "not being evil". To remain on-topic, which is to recommend something good, we really should not suggest trusting one's data to a "security naïve" party (especially when its business is pretty much to act as a man-in-the-middle). /D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On 07/04/2020 09:48, Tomasz Kundera via Dng wrote: > Zoom has dedicated clients for Debian. It works in ascii at least. Personal experiences.. zoom became more stable after upgrading from ascii to beowulf. zoom would\will not launch from firefox, no issues launching from terminal and manually entering meeting ID# zoom is not an evil company, unlike Google they do not set out to take your data, they are just a bit security naive. Watching with interest as they *appear* to be responding positively to professional critisism. Dropping the Chinese servers and End To End encryption would be a smart move > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:46 AM Hendrik Boom wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:46:03PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: >>> On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote: Dear Devlers, is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with >> Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with. such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or Mac and Chrome. Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? >>> >>> Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven themselves >>> less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks. >> >> I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr. >> Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium? One of my regular >> meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice. >> >> Any idea how much computer jitsi needs? My server is over a decade old. >> I've been hanging onto it because it's too old to have a management >> engine. >> >> -- hendrik >>> >>> There's also, IIRC, "Blue Button" or something to that effect. >>> >>> -- >>> |_|O|_| >>> |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert >>> |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 >> >> >> >>> ___ >>> Dng mailing list >>> Dng@lists.dyne.org >>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Apr 06, 2020, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:46:03PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote: > > > Dear Devlers, > > > > > > is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox > > > (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with. such als > > > /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or Mac and > > > Chrome. > > > > > > Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? > > > > Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven themselves > > less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks. > > I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr. > Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium? One of my regular > meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice. Sorry, I don't happen to use Zoom. Wife does, but from her tablet. > > Any idea how much computer jitsi needs? My server is over a decade old. > I've been hanging onto it because it's too old to have a management > engine. Offhand, no. I haven't found any of that in their documentation (although admittedly my eyes may have just glazed over). You can, of course, use their service (http://meet.jit.si) rather than running it yourself. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Zoom has dedicated clients for Debian. It works in ascii at least. On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:46 AM Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:46:03PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote: > > > Dear Devlers, > > > > > > is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with > Firefox > > > (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with. such als > > > /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or Mac and > > > Chrome. > > > > > > Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? > > > > Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven themselves > > less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks. > > I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr. > Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium? One of my regular > meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice. > > Any idea how much computer jitsi needs? My server is over a decade old. > I've been hanging onto it because it's too old to have a management > engine. > > -- hendrik > > > > There's also, IIRC, "Blue Button" or something to that effect. > > > > -- > > |_|O|_| > > |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert > > |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 > > > > > ___ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Tomasz Kundera ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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> is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox (or > Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with. such als > https://global.gotomeeting.com/, work only with Windows or Mac and Chrome. If you have got Devuan, you do not have to resort to browsers for conferencing. As for audioconferencing or one-to-one video : qtox or another tox protocol client of your choice is the right tool. It is also available on most other platforms, for you contacts which are not on *n*x. /D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 20:51:37 -0500 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2020-04-06 20:46, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:46:03PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > >> On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote: > >> > Dear Devlers, > >> > > >> > is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference > >> > with Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in > >> > contact with. such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work > >> > only with Windows or Mac and Chrome. > >> > > >> > Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? > >> > >> Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven > >> themselves > >> less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks. > > > > I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr. > > Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium? One of my regular > > meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice. > > > > Any idea how much computer jitsi needs? My server is over a decade > > old. > > I've been hanging onto it because it's too old to have a management > > engine. > > > > -- hendrik > > The online version of jit.si - https://meet.jit.si/ - connects via > your browser. You don't have to install on you server. > > golinux > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Nextcloud talk also works, doesn't require any software either. just a webrtc enabled browser and a coturn server. -- / If I could drop dead right now, I'd be \ | the happiest man alive!| || \ -- Samuel Goldwyn / \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On 4/7/20 9:05 AM, Rod Rodolico wrote: > but it works so far with FF doesn't work for everyone, that's why jitsi suggests the use of chromium based browsers.. https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/commit/92740707f01547d4e431050ade1d17589c544629#diff-12cdb961bef2a8b83d0f510226f85495 https://community.jitsi.org/t/software-unusable-on-firefox-why/22143/10 https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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I just installed a Jitsi instance on one of my old servers last week. My 15 year old granddaughter did most of the work. We built it as a Xen virtual with 10G disk, 4G RAM and 4 dedicated cores. We used ASCII as the Distro. Tests so far have been two people (test for more planned for later this week). With two people in the video conference, we ran about 8Mb/s pretty steady the whole hour. Processor was about 40% on all four cores and RAM was pretty much untouched. A basic system is pretty much straight forward. It did "forget" to create the rc.d entry for jitsi-videobridge2 service, but that was easy to fix with update-rc.d jitsi-videobridge2 defaults More advanced setups allow you to set a password before you can create a meeting (so not just anyone can do it), the ability to record the meeting, and an interface with SIP. I have not tested any of those. All in all, jitsi rocks. Tracking consists of some info in their own log in /var/log/jitsi and, so far, all I've seen is the IP's that connect. As was said, if all you want is a one off, or some occasional meetings, https://meet.jit.si/ is set up and free. That way you don't eat bandwidth and spend all the time building it out. There is a client for Android, iPhone, OS-X, Debian, RPM, Arch and Windoze. See https://jitsi.org/downloads/. I tried the Android version on an old tablet and it worked ok. I mainly just use my browser. It complains if I use an old version of FF, but it works so far with FF and Chromium so you don't need to install a client. Just found out about it a few weeks ago, so I haven't had time to break it yet. So, nothing bad so far except the bandwidth, which isn't horrible. Feel free to contact me if you want some graphs or the results of our Wednesday test. Rod On 04/04/2020 05:07 AM, Raul Claro wrote: > Dear Devlers, > > is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with > Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with. > such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or > Mac and Chrome. > > Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? > > Thanks > > Raúl > > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Rod Rodolico Daily Data, Inc. POB 140465 Dallas TX 75214-0465 US http://dailydata.net 214.827.2170 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Iirc, jitsi meet works only with chrome/chromium. I only used nextcloud talk succesfully with ff-esr. P.s. bigbluebutton Στις 4 Απριλίου 2020 1:07:56 μ.μ. EEST, ο/η Raul Claro έγραψε: >Dear Devlers, > > is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with >Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with. >such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or >Mac and Chrome. > > Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? > > Thanks > > Raúl -- Αποστέλλονται από /e/ Mail.___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 09:46:02PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr. > Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium? One of my regular > meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice. Can you use a smart phone? Also, dialing in through a regular phone number is a possibility with Zoom meetings. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On 2020-04-06 20:46, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:46:03PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote: > Dear Devlers, > > is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox > (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with. such als > /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or Mac and > Chrome. > > Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven themselves less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks. I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr. Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium? One of my regular meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice. Any idea how much computer jitsi needs? My server is over a decade old. I've been hanging onto it because it's too old to have a management engine. -- hendrik The online version of jit.si - https://meet.jit.si/ - connects via your browser. You don't have to install on you server. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:46:03PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote: > > Dear Devlers, > > > > is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox > > (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with. such als > > /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or Mac and > > Chrome. > > > > Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? > > Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven themselves > less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks. I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr. Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium? One of my regular meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice. Any idea how much computer jitsi needs? My server is over a decade old. I've been hanging onto it because it's too old to have a management engine. -- hendrik > > There's also, IIRC, "Blue Button" or something to that effect. > > -- > |_|O|_| > |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert > |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote: > Dear Devlers, > > is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox > (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with. such als > /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or Mac and > Chrome. > > Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven themselves less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks. There's also, IIRC, "Blue Button" or something to that effect. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Dear Devlers, is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact with. such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or Mac and Chrome. Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? Thanks Raúl ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
