Re: [DNG] Beowulf; Increasing the number of boot options under grub. How To?

2021-05-19 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi,

terryc writes:

> [...]
>
> I understand the easiest method to install chimaera is a minimal
> beowulf install and the the usual dist-grade route. As outline by
> Florian about a month ago. (TY)

I had a "good" experience with the alpha-20210426 installer for chimaera
on amd64 for a fairly standard install.  My only "gripe" is that using
runit as your init silently falls back to sysvinit if you install
without a network connection.

I just checked https://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/
and saw there are alpha-20210517 netinst images for amd64 and i386.

Hope this helps,
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Re: [DNG] Beowulf; Increasing the number of boot options under grub. How To?

2021-05-19 Thread Ludovic Bellière
On mer, 19 mai 2021, terryc wrote:
> Normally I wouldn't consider it(risk a working system), but having
> recently received two new boxen following the release of majic smoke
> from the mail server,  I'm actually in the position to do this on new
> naked hardware. The global chip shortage meant I had to order over-spec
> for a headless server, so the CFO/SWMBO'd's system was migrated to one
> and the other now has the 5700 XT in it( the PS is sufficient X).
> 
> I understand the easiest method to install chimaera is a minimal
> beowulf install and the the usual dist-grade route. As outline by
> Florian about a month ago. (TY)

Keep in mind that testing is in hard freeze, as such some package may not
receive security updates. Notably, chromium is still in it's 89 versions. See
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/chromium

Depending on the usage of your system, you may want to make sure software you
use aren't frozen.

Cheers, Ludovic


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Re: [DNG] Beowulf; Increasing the number of boot options under grub. How To?

2021-05-18 Thread Gregory Nowak via Dng
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 12:15:50PM +1000, terryc wrote:
> I understand the easiest method to install chimaera is a minimal
> beowulf install and the the usual dist-grade route. As outline by
> Florian about a month ago. (TY)

There is a netinst image available for both amd64 and x86 of Chimaera on
files.devuan.org.

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Re: [DNG] Beowulf; Increasing the number of boot options under grub. How To?

2021-05-18 Thread terryc
On Tue, 18 May 2021 11:38:50 +0200
Ludovic Bellière  wrote:

> On mar, 18 mai 2021, onefang wrote:
> > I recently bought an AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT card.  Your 5700 might
> > be too new for Beowulf, I had to jump through some hoops te get my
> > 5600 working fully.  Using the 5.10 kernel from Beowulf-backports,
> > Mesa drivers and a bunch of related libraries from a third party
> > PPA, and a hack.  I now have 3D virtual worlds and dual screen
> > working fine.  No idea if any of that will work for a 5700, since I
> > don't have one. 
> 
> It has to be underlined that beowulf's mesa packages are two years
> old! As such, your somewhat recent graphic card will not have any
> recent fixes, or might not enable access to all the features of your
> hardware.
> 
> If you want OpenGL 4.6, you're out of luck.
> 
> Switching to devuan testing, chimaera, will solve most issue without
> resorting to the usage of ppa and other foolishness.

Normally I wouldn't consider it(risk a working system), but having
recently received two new boxen following the release of majic smoke
from the mail server,  I'm actually in the position to do this on new
naked hardware. The global chip shortage meant I had to order over-spec
for a headless server, so the CFO/SWMBO'd's system was migrated to one
and the other now has the 5700 XT in it( the PS is sufficient X).

I understand the easiest method to install chimaera is a minimal
beowulf install and the the usual dist-grade route. As outline by
Florian about a month ago. (TY)

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Re: [DNG] Beowulf; Increasing the number of boot options under grub. How To?

2021-05-18 Thread Brad Campbell via Dng
On 17/5/21 9:31 pm, terryc wrote:
> I am hoping there is a simple config/number change in the grub
> config files, but I can not find it in the doco I've read.
> 
> In the past, the list of kernel images just grew each time you
> loaded/updated the linux-image files. But the current system
> automatically trims it to just two, with normal and recovery versions of
> each.
>
I'm pretty sure you want to enable : GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU in /etc/default/grub 
before doing an update-grub.
Backup your grub.cfg, make the change and then diff with the new one to see if 
it does what you want before rebooting.

I can't verify that locally anymore as I've moved all my machines to boot with 
rEFInd, but I used grub for years.

Regards,
Brad
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Re: [DNG] Beowulf; Increasing the number of boot options under grub. How To?

2021-05-18 Thread Ludovic Bellière
On mar, 18 mai 2021, onefang wrote:
> I recently bought an AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT card.  Your 5700 might be too
> new for Beowulf, I had to jump through some hoops te get my 5600 working
> fully.  Using the 5.10 kernel from Beowulf-backports, Mesa drivers and a
> bunch of related libraries from a third party PPA, and a hack.  I now
> have 3D virtual worlds and dual screen working fine.  No idea if any of
> that will work for a 5700, since I don't have one.
>

It has to be underlined that beowulf's mesa packages are two years
old! As such, your somewhat recent graphic card will not have any recent
fixes, or might not enable access to all the features of your hardware.

If you want OpenGL 4.6, you're out of luck.

Switching to devuan testing, chimaera, will solve most issue without
resorting to the usage of ppa and other foolishness.

Cheers,
Ludovic


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Re: [DNG] Beowulf; Increasing the number of boot options under grub. How To?

2021-05-17 Thread terryc
On Tue, 18 May 2021 02:18:02 +1000
onefang  wrote:

> On 2021-05-17 23:31:12, terryc wrote:
> > I am hoping there is a simple config/number change in the grub
> > config files, but I can not find it in the doco I've read.
> > 
> > In the past, the list of kernel images just grew each time you
> > loaded/updated the linux-image files. But the current system
> > automatically trims it to just two, with normal and recovery
> > versions of each.
> > 
> > The reason I want to do this is to lad step through some of the 5.*
> > kernel to see if any of them now give any support to my AMD RX
> > 5700* XT gpu card that has been unable to be used(unless I want a
> > single screern in vesa mode).
> > 
> > LS: At this stage the hardware is correctly identified by various
> > hardware programs with mirrored dual screens during boot up, but the
> > between Xorg, Mesa & Vvulkan, which supposedly make it work,  I
> > just get a VESA single screen.
> > 
> > My tip is never to but any AMD 5700 card. My 5700 HD never worked
> > reliably under their proprietary driver and it was years before the
> > Radeon driver was able to support it.   
> 
> I recently bought an AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT card.  Your 5700 might be
> too new for Beowulf, I had to jump through some hoops te get my 5600
> working fully.  Using the 5.10 kernel from Beowulf-backports, Mesa
> drivers and a bunch of related libraries from a third party PPA, and
> a hack.  I now have 3D virtual worlds and dual screen working fine.
> No idea if any of that will work for a 5700, since I don't have one.

The 5700 card has been out for about 18 months and has been
'superceeded' by other cards all ready.

That would be the Ubuntu PPA stuff I'm assuming from all the guides
I've read and must have included a few programs from github.  I've
basically followed what I can of those various 'guides' and loaded the
vulkan and mesa stuff available from beowulf-backports, but even
that doesn't make the card work. The mesa in the phoroix article is
later than the beowulf-backports

Nor it seems that apt-get -t beowulf-backports install/reinstall
guarantee the latest. I recently ran the apt-get -t beowulf-backports
update/upgrade  and it re-installed a  number of the packages I've
installed in the last 24 hours. Head scratch.

I've nailed the problem down to two points.
One is hardware and a 'kernel panic - fatal exception in interrupt' when
dual monitors are plugged in via dpi sockets at powert on. It is okay
to plug the second in afterwards. Otherwise, the 5.10 kernel boots and
loads amdgui drivers.

The second is software and is an Xorg problem when is barks on not
finding /dev/dri/card0 and falls back to VESA mode.

I can live with that for a while and will try lurking in relevant dev
lists to see if there is a future fix or I've got an orphan.

Anyway, thanks.

i


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Re: [DNG] Beowulf; Increasing the number of boot options under grub. How To?

2021-05-17 Thread onefang
On 2021-05-17 23:31:12, terryc wrote:
> I am hoping there is a simple config/number change in the grub
> config files, but I can not find it in the doco I've read.
> 
> In the past, the list of kernel images just grew each time you
> loaded/updated the linux-image files. But the current system
> automatically trims it to just two, with normal and recovery versions of
> each.
> 
> The reason I want to do this is to lad step through some of the 5.*
> kernel to see if any of them now give any support to my AMD RX 5700* XT
> gpu card that has been unable to be used(unless I want a single screern
> in vesa mode).
> 
> LS: At this stage the hardware is correctly identified by various
> hardware programs with mirrored dual screens during boot up, but the
> between Xorg, Mesa & Vvulkan, which supposedly make it work,  I just get
> a VESA single screen.
> 
> My tip is never to but any AMD 5700 card. My 5700 HD never worked
> reliably under their proprietary driver and it was years before the
> Radeon driver was able to support it. 

I recently bought an AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT card.  Your 5700 might be too
new for Beowulf, I had to jump through some hoops te get my 5600 working
fully.  Using the 5.10 kernel from Beowulf-backports, Mesa drivers and a
bunch of related libraries from a third party PPA, and a hack.  I now
have 3D virtual worlds and dual screen working fine.  No idea if any of
that will work for a 5700, since I don't have one.

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[DNG] Beowulf; Increasing the number of boot options under grub. How To?

2021-05-17 Thread terryc
I am hoping there is a simple config/number change in the grub
config files, but I can not find it in the doco I've read.

In the past, the list of kernel images just grew each time you
loaded/updated the linux-image files. But the current system
automatically trims it to just two, with normal and recovery versions of
each.

The reason I want to do this is to lad step through some of the 5.*
kernel to see if any of them now give any support to my AMD RX 5700* XT
gpu card that has been unable to be used(unless I want a single screern
in vesa mode).

LS: At this stage the hardware is correctly identified by various
hardware programs with mirrored dual screens during boot up, but the
between Xorg, Mesa & Vvulkan, which supposedly make it work,  I just get
a VESA single screen.

My tip is never to but any AMD 5700 card. My 5700 HD never worked
reliably under their proprietary driver and it was years before the
Radeon driver was able to support it. 

T.I.A.
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