[DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-05 Thread Edward Bartolo
On 05/12/2018, Antony Stone wrote: > On Wednesday 05 December 2018 at 17:41:22, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >> Further Optimization: >> >> Is it possible to configure Devuan on Raspberry Pi 3B+, so that, >> bash_history, settings pertaining to bash, and other user >> configuration files from being

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-05 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 05 December 2018 at 17:41:22, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Further Optimization: > > Is it possible to configure Devuan on Raspberry Pi 3B+, so that, > bash_history, settings pertaining to bash, and other user > configuration files from being updated every time such an application > is

[DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-05 Thread Edward Bartolo
Further Optimization: Is it possible to configure Devuan on Raspberry Pi 3B+, so that, bash_history, settings pertaining to bash, and other user configuration files from being updated every time such an application is used? If there is some other things I am not aware of, please inform me.

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Bruce Ferrell
On 12/3/18 3:24 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 11:10:20 -0800 Bruce Ferrell wrote: Yeah, this IS one of the issues around flash/SSD storage... They run fast and wear out faster. The preceding sentence is true but it's not the whole truth. If one uses SSD the way they would

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
Il 03/12/18 12:53, Alessandro Selli ha scritto: > On 03/12/18 at 11:30, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Running "update-rc.d rsyslog disable 2" resulted in error messages >> like the following: >> >> ERROR MESSAGE: >> insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) A of script 'rsyslog' >> overrides LSB

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 03/12/18 at 11:30, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Running "update-rc.d rsyslog disable 2" resulted in error messages > like the following: > > ERROR MESSAGE: > insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) A of script 'rsyslog' > overrides LSB defaults B > > There were four lines with similar text but

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Lars Noodén
On 12/3/18 1:16 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Nevermind, I found that prepending a symlink with a 'K' in /etc/rcN.d > is to disable that script. See "man update-rc.d" for the official tool for that. /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 11:10:20 -0800 Bruce Ferrell wrote: > Yeah, this IS one of the issues around flash/SSD storage... They run > fast and wear out faster. The preceding sentence is true but it's not the whole truth. If one uses SSD the way they would spinning rust, that being run it 80% to 90%

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Edward Bartolo
Nevermind, I found that prepending a symlink with a 'K' in /etc/rcN.d is to disable that script. Thanks everyone, especially Dr Klepp. -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) If you cannot make abstructions about details you do not understand

[DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Edward Bartolo
Running "update-rc.d rsyslog disable 2" resulted in error messages like the following: ERROR MESSAGE: insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) A of script 'rsyslog' overrides LSB defaults B There were four lines with similar text but with A and B as follows: a) A = (3 4 5); B = (2 3 4 5) b) A

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 03/12/18 at 10:50, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 10:33:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 03/12/18 at 10:05, Adam Borowski wrote: >>> realtime greatly reduces atime writes, but it's still too much. >>   I wouldn't say so.  Since relatime updates atime only relative to

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): >   Good idea. Well, in the name of international amity # touch NIENTE_E_MONTATO_QUI # chattr +i NIENTE_E_MONTATO_QUI ;-> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 10:33:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 03/12/18 at 10:05, Adam Borowski wrote: > > realtime greatly reduces atime writes, but it's still too much. > >   I wouldn't say so.  Since relatime updates atime only relative to the > present ctime and mtime, it's only

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 03/12/18 at 10:05, Adam Borowski wrote: > realtime greatly reduces atime writes, but it's still too much.   I wouldn't say so.  Since relatime updates atime only relative to the present ctime and mtime, it's only changed when one of those two is changed.  That is, updating atime does not

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread g4sra
http://hacks.slashdirt.org/sw/flashybrid/ Someone with non-systemd will have to suck it and see. That someone will be me if no-one else has done it by Valentines Day. On 02/12/2018 23:11, Alessandro Selli wrote: > OnIl 02/12/18 at 22:58, g4sra wrote: >> I have found flashybrid extremely

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-03 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 02:05:29PM +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 03.12.18 00:47, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 11:53:39PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > On 02/12/18 at 17:23, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > > You'd want to set noatime on every machine > > > > you

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 03.12.18 00:47, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 11:53:39PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > On 02/12/18 at 17:23, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > You'd want to set noatime on every machine > > > you control. > > > > > >   Some mail servers and clients do use it to determine if a

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 11:53:39PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 02/12/18 at 17:23, Adam Borowski wrote: > > You'd want to set noatime on every machine > > you control. > > >   Some mail servers and clients do use it to determine if a mail was > read after it arrived.  In this case, it'd

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
OnIl 02/12/18 at 22:58, g4sra wrote: > I have found flashybrid extremely beneficial in the past, on switching > from Debian to Devuan Ascii it appears not to be in the repository, is > it in Beowulf ?. I am not aware of any dependencies it has on > systemd.   It was removed from Debian on

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 02/12/18 at 21:04, Rick Moen wrote: > I also recommend (while in single-user mode as the root user) doing this > in each of your system's mountpoint directories: > > # touch NOTHING_IS_MOUNTED_HERE > # chattr +i NOTHING_IS_MOUNTED_HERE > > That's saved me confusion quite a few times when I'm

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 02/12/18 at 17:23, Adam Borowski wrote: > You'd want to set noatime on every machine > you control.   Some mail servers and clients do use it to determine if a mail was read after it arrived.  In this case, it'd be better to have it set on /var. -- Alessandro Selli VOIP SIP:

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 02/12/18 at 21:07, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Sonntag, 2. Dezember 2018 schrieb Edward Bartolo: >> On 02/12/2018, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: >> [...] >>> Do not use swap. >>> Use ramfs for /tmp and /var/tmp. >>> Turn off logging. >>> Mount / readonly. >>> Use "noatime" mountoption. >>> >>

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread golinux
It appears not: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=flashybrid=any On 2018-12-02 15:58, g4sra wrote: I have found flashybrid extremely beneficial in the past, on switching from Debian to Devuan Ascii it appears not to be in the repository, is it in Beowulf ?. I am not

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread g4sra
I have found flashybrid extremely beneficial in the past, on switching from Debian to Devuan Ascii it appears not to be in the repository, is it in Beowulf ?. I am not aware of any dependencies it has on systemd. On 02/12/2018 10:41, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Recently I have been

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 11:41:48AM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > The purpose of this email is to ask how to radically minimized write > cycles to the SD CARD when I run Devuan for Raspberry Pi 3. I found a > how-to which uses /tmp fs for frequently modified system files, but > the user uses

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Sonntag, 2. Dezember 2018 schrieb Edward Bartolo: > On 02/12/2018, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > [...] > > > > Do not use swap. > > Use ramfs for /tmp and /var/tmp. > > Turn off logging. > > Mount / readonly. > > Use "noatime" mountoption. > > > > How can I use ramfs for /tmp and /var/tmp? In

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > All you need to do is putting this line in /etc/fstab: > > tmpfs   /tmp    tmpfs   defaults,mode=1777  0 0 Seriously, yes, everyone running a system _just_ on flash media ought to be doing this and similar measures to reduce wear on

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Rod Rodolico
There is an old article at http://wiki.linuxservertech.com/index.php?action=artikel=9=173 which may help you. I wrote it when I was booting servers from USB Thumbdrives. Again, it is an older article so use some caution when you review it. But, I have servers using thumbdrives that have been

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Bruce Ferrell
On 12/2/18 2:41 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi everyone. Recently I have been using a Raspberry Pi 3B, obviously powered with Devuan, to run as music player. Restarting it yesterday, I was dismayed to discover it would not boot properly anymore, with long lists of errors complaining about not

[DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Edward Bartolo
On 02/12/2018, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: [...] > > Do not use swap. > Use ramfs for /tmp and /var/tmp. > Turn off logging. > Mount / readonly. > Use "noatime" mountoption. > How can I use ramfs for /tmp and /var/tmp? And, also turn off logging? Can anyone post a sample /etc/fstab as a hint as

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 12:06:03PM +0100, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 02-12-18 11:41, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > The purpose of this email is to ask how to radically minimized write > > cycles to the SD CARD when I run Devuan for Raspberry Pi 3. I found a > > how-to which uses /tmp

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 12:16:34 +0100, Dr. wrote in message <201812021216.34883.dr.kl...@gmx.at>: > Am Sonntag, 2. Dezember 2018 schrieb Edward Bartolo: > > Hi everyone. > > > > Recently I have been using a Raspberry Pi 3B, obviously powered with > > Devuan, to run as music player. Restarting it

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 02/12/18 on 13:08, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > > If you disable journalling on ext4 you can just as well mount it with > ext2 afaik. > > Grtz > > Nick >   No, ext2 is significantly slower than a journal-less ext4 filesystem.   This must be due mainly to the fact that ext4 uses an

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 02-12-18 13:01, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > Il 02/12/18 11:41, Edward Bartolo ha scritto: >> Hi everyone. >> >> Recently I have been using a Raspberry Pi 3B, obviously powered with >> Devuan, to run as music player. Restarting it yesterday, I was >> dismayed to discover it would not boot

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Lars Noodén
On 12/2/18 12:41 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > [snip] > So, the SD CARD, although brand new is now to be thrown away. > [snip] Is it still under warranty? If so you can get a replacement. In addition to the tips already mentioned, under-provisioning helps a bit too. /Lars

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
Il 02/12/18 11:41, Edward Bartolo ha scritto: > Hi everyone. > > Recently I have been using a Raspberry Pi 3B, obviously powered with > Devuan, to run as music player. Restarting it yesterday, I was > dismayed to discover it would not boot properly anymore, with long > lists of errors complaining

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread ael
On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 11:41:48AM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Recently I have been using a Raspberry Pi 3B, obviously powered with > Devuan, to run as music player. Restarting it yesterday, I was > dismayed to discover it would not boot properly anymore, with long > lists of errors

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Sonntag, 2. Dezember 2018 schrieb Edward Bartolo: > Hi everyone. > > Recently I have been using a Raspberry Pi 3B, obviously powered with > Devuan, to run as music player. Restarting it yesterday, I was > dismayed to discover it would not boot properly anymore, with long > lists of errors

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 02-12-18 11:41, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Recently I have been using a Raspberry Pi 3B, obviously powered with > Devuan, to run as music player. Restarting it yesterday, I was > dismayed to discover it would not boot properly anymore, with long > lists of errors complaining about

[DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.

2018-12-02 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi everyone. Recently I have been using a Raspberry Pi 3B, obviously powered with Devuan, to run as music player. Restarting it yesterday, I was dismayed to discover it would not boot properly anymore, with long lists of errors complaining about not being able to write to the SD CARD. The latter