Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-29 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > Hell yeah. I have a completely opposite view: if a piece of software hasn't > been packaged, it's most likely because it is crap -- otherwise someone > would bother to do the work. And, usually upstream developers know how to > deal with the

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 10:32:29 +0100 Adam Borowski wrote: > And, usually upstream > developers know how to deal with the particular problem their > software is made for, but have no idea how to integrate it with the > rest of the system. The preceding sentence exactly

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-29 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:32:32PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > My concern is mostly that you're giving _generally_ bad advice that is > likely to bite people if/when they keep applying it, and apply it to > software more interdependent with the rest of the system. If you merely > said 'Hey, I do

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 09:41:46 +0100, Arnt wrote in message <20171029094146.5b8f8508@d44>: > On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:32:32 -0700, Rick wrote in message > <20171029063232.gd30...@linuxmafia.com>: > > > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > > > I don't know how to do the

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:32:32 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20171029063232.gd30...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > I don't know how to do the preceding, and I'm forever prioritizing > > other things above learning it. > > Well, if you have a spare hour

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-29 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I don't know how to do the preceding, and I'm forever prioritizing > other things above learning it. Well, if you have a spare hour some time, try debhelper[1] or CheckInstall[2]. You might be surprised. (Above and below, for the sake of

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 20:24:41 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: [snip the thank-you for originating VimOutliner and noting that I'm no longer involved in the project] > > During that period, it would have been a fine and good thing (if you > felt like it) for you to produce a .deb and

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-28 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I'm the originator and 2 year maintainer of the VimOutliner project. > The Debian package substituted a double backslash \\ for the double > comma ,, command prefix. When I said that the double comma was > selected for speed purposes and that

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-28 Thread zap
> > > I have no interest in half-way fixing Debian's broken packages, but > I'll be glad to help create an excellent DeVUan package that respects > what the software's author was trying to accomplish (but without any > new directories off the root). If the new Devuan runit package work out > as

[DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

2017-10-28 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, A couple days ago I volunteered to be one of a two person team to bring a good, high quality runit package to DeVUan. The package would be capable of using runit as a simple process supervisor, or assuming all init responsibilities. I would consult the creator of runit so our package