Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

2017-11-20 Thread John Hughes
On 21/11/17 00:09, zap wrote: it is "very strange" and also "really stupid" that they waited this long... People scratch the itches *they* have.  That's how free software works, and even now, they still don't have it included in stretch... its really infuriating... but yeah...

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

2017-11-20 Thread zap
On 11/20/2017 08:53 AM, John Hughes wrote: > On 20/11/17 14:08, zap wrote: >> >> On 11/20/2017 04:08 AM, John Hughes wrote: >>> Firmware is required, which can be provided by installing the firmware-atheros package. Open firmware

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

2017-11-20 Thread John Hughes
On 20/11/17 14:08, zap wrote: On 11/20/2017 04:08 AM, John Hughes wrote: Firmware is required, which can be provided by installing the firmware-atheros package. Open firmware for this driver is

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

2017-11-20 Thread zap
On 11/20/2017 08:08 AM, Patrick Meade wrote: > On 11/19/2017 10:01 PM, zap wrote: >> there are dongle usbs whose firmware has been made free software, and I >> cannot use this firmware from devuan, because some arrogant debian devs >> were too lazy to remove the non-free package and add the free

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

2017-11-20 Thread zap
On 11/20/2017 04:08 AM, John Hughes wrote: > On 20/11/17 05:01, zap wrote: >> there are dongle usbs whose firmware has been made free software, and I >> cannot use this firmware from devuan, because some arrogant debian devs >> were too lazy to remove the non-free package and add the free

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

2017-11-20 Thread Patrick Meade
On 11/19/2017 10:01 PM, zap wrote: there are dongle usbs whose firmware has been made free software, and I cannot use this firmware from devuan, because some arrogant debian devs were too lazy to remove the non-free package and add the free package. so annoying. Will you provide a link to this

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

2017-11-20 Thread zap
> I might have misunderstood you, but I don't think that adding support > for non-free firmware is among the Devuan's top priorities... You did misunderstand me, debian will not add it, even though IT IS free firmware. thinkpenguin sells one without the non-free firmware. > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

2017-11-20 Thread John Hughes
On 20/11/17 05:01, zap wrote: there are dongle usbs whose firmware has been made free software, and I cannot use this firmware from devuan, because some arrogant debian devs were too lazy to remove the non-free package and add the free package. so annoying. Firmware is required, which can be

Re: [DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

2017-11-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 11:01:02PM -0500, zap wrote: > there are dongle usbs whose firmware has been made free software, and I > cannot use this firmware from devuan, because some arrogant debian devs > were too lazy to remove the non-free package and add the free package. > so annoying. > >

[DNG] I found a new reason to dislike debian...

2017-11-19 Thread zap
there are dongle usbs whose firmware has been made free software, and I cannot use this firmware from devuan, because some arrogant debian devs were too lazy to remove the non-free package and add the free package. so annoying. AR9271 is the firmware I was talking about. Thinkpenguin sells these,