Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 08:10:40AM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Steve Litt  wrote:
> 
> > There's a special place in hell for people using ambiguous
> > abbreviations, acronyms, and nicknames.
> 
> You mean, like the whole IT industry - and in fact pretty well any industry ? 
> Such terms are routinely used because they make speech and writing less 
> verbose. I did my apprenticeship in an engineering (plenty of acronyms there) 
> firm that was also a supplier to the UK's navy - the defence field is a sea 
> of acronyms* :-)
> 
> But back to our world, "pen testing" is a common term. A few seconds with 
> ${preferred_search_engine} would come up with a definition.

The trouble is with abbreviations that are common words in their own 
right, with the result that people not knowing it's an abbreviation 
will get a quite different meaning, and not know they've 
misunderstood.

-- hendrik
.
> 
> * I was involved in software, and one day for a bit of light amusement 
> decided to fully expand the acronym of something I was working on. Thing is, 
> some of the letters in the acronym were in fact initial of other acronyms, 
> and by the time I'd fully expended all the levels I think a 6 letter acronym 
> became a whole paragraph !
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Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

[Simon Hobson]

Steve Litt  wrote:

> There's a special place in hell for people using ambiguous
> abbreviations, acronyms, and nicknames.

You mean, like the whole IT industry - and in fact pretty well any industry ? 
Such terms are routinely used because they make speech and writing less 
verbose. I did my apprenticeship in an engineering (plenty of acronyms there) 
firm that was also a supplier to the UK's navy - the defence field is a sea of 
acronyms* :-)

But back to our world, "pen testing" is a common term. A few seconds with 
${preferred_search_engine} would come up with a definition.

* I was involved in software, and one day for a bit of light amusement decided 
to fully expand the acronym of something I was working on. Thing is, some of 
the letters in the acronym were in fact initial of other acronyms, and by the 
time I'd fully expended all the levels I think a 6 letter acronym became a 
whole paragraph !

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Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2016 03 May 16:38 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:

> "Pen testing" My Aunt's Hat!

I thought it was trying different Linux distributions from a USB pen.

Shrug.

- Nate

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Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

[Steve Litt]

Thanks Stephanie!

There's a special place in hell for people using ambiguous
abbreviations, acronyms, and nicknames. I mean really, do they think
this makes them sound more "in the know?"

That author is a WAD. Now I get to feel superior as the word WAD rolls
glibly and effortlessly off my tongue.

"Pen testing" My Aunt's Hat!

Thanks Stephanie,

SteveT



On Tue, 03 May 2016 18:05:41 +
Stephanie Daugherty  wrote:

> I assume "penetration testing", and seems like a shortsighted view.
> 
> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 1:57 PM Steve Litt 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 3 May 2016 09:05:03 + (UTC)
> > Go Linux  wrote:
> >
> >  
> > > 
> > >
> > > Linux = Pen testing
> > > Windows = everything else  
> >
> > What is pen testing? Am I out of touch, or is this guy making up
> > words?
> >
> > SteveT
> >
> > Steve Litt
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Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

[Mitt Green]

‎Steven W. Scott wrote:
‎
> Wow. Funny that, my view is:‎
> Windows: Gaming
> Linux: everything else

I am kind of a "hardcore" gamer,
nowadays especially in Sauerbraten
and Urban Terror, back then in RedEclipse,
I actually think that the situation with
games is good.

Count here 0 A.D., Battle for Wesnoth,
Quake(s), OpenArena, AssaultCube,
Speed Dreams and its parent, TORCS.

On Steam Dota 2 and CS 1.6, CS:GO
are available. Probably some other very
popular games too. Some claim
that performance in Linux is better
due to the quality of the drivers.

So, in my opinion:
Windows - I couldn't find FreeDOS/Linux
pre-installed;
Linux - everything;
OS X - I am gay.
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Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

[Linux O'Beardly]

Actually, since Valve released a native Steam client for Linux, I've even
abandoned Windows for gaming.  Yes, I'm quite limited to what I can play,
but it has enough titles to keep me busy.

Linux O'Beardly
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On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Steven W. Scott 
wrote:

> Wow. Funny that, my view is:
>
> Windows: Gaming
> Linux: everything else
>
> Linux for pentest, hell yes, mostly because it lends itself extremely well
> to quickly implementing a prototype and automating it in a reliable manner.
> Windows scheduler is a joke, Windows development is a masochist's dream.
> Poweshell is an indicator that MS has only recently come to the
> understanding that automation is more than just a room full of low-skilled
> operators reacting to pop-up dialogs. Where does the cloud live, on
> Windows? Lol!
>
> SWS
> On May 3, 2016 5:05 AM, "Go Linux"  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 5/3/16, Mitt Green  wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan
>>  To: dng@lists.dyne.org
>>  Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 1:51 AM
>>
>> >> The current init system is old. Ancient.
>> >> We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking
>> >> for a new init system that is not systemd and my
>> >> personal choice for this task from now on is
>> >> Gentoo's OpenRC.
>> ‎>
>> > Unix is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it.
>> > Devuan is looking for a new base system that
>> > is not Unix and my personal choice for this
>> > task from now is Microsoft's Windows.
>> >
>>
>> 
>>
>> Mitt's response reminded me of a post that was made to the forum earlier
>> today in the topic "Windows explained to Devuan supporters" at
>> https://talk.devuan.org/t/windows-explained-to-devuan-supporters/139/10 :
>>
>> 
>>
>> Linux = Pen testing
>> Windows = everything else
>>
>> There are no advantages in using any linux distros other than pen testing
>> and that it can be installed on a USB key(and I think that's very cool).
>> Even Software Defined Radio (SDR) with maybe the exception of GMS
>> intercepting and decoding, has more development under Windows. Night and
>> day. One works extremely well on all PCs and permits the User to actually
>> be productive and do things. The other one is a clunky Windows wannabe with
>> a couple of specialized advantages that most don't care about. So..
>>
>> YES
>> I like its functionality, its popularity(more software dev and hardware
>> support), its clarity and ease of use.
>> The only thing wrong with my Windows is its lack of pen testing
>> capability, and that is why I'm here (KL2 using Debian8 and now looking for
>> an alternative with Dev-one as a base), otherwise I would >> n e v e r <<
>> bother with anything linux, life is too short
>>
>> 
>>
>> I'll spare you my personal thoughts on this evaluation of Linux but
>> looking forward to all of yours.  :)
>>
>> golinux
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

[Steven W. Scott]

Wow. Funny that, my view is:

Windows: Gaming
Linux: everything else

Linux for pentest, hell yes, mostly because it lends itself extremely well
to quickly implementing a prototype and automating it in a reliable manner.
Windows scheduler is a joke, Windows development is a masochist's dream.
Poweshell is an indicator that MS has only recently come to the
understanding that automation is more than just a room full of low-skilled
operators reacting to pop-up dialogs. Where does the cloud live, on
Windows? Lol!

SWS
On May 3, 2016 5:05 AM, "Go Linux"  wrote:

> On Tue, 5/3/16, Mitt Green  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan
>  To: dng@lists.dyne.org
>  Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 1:51 AM
>
> >> The current init system is old. Ancient.
> >> We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking
> >> for a new init system that is not systemd and my
> >> personal choice for this task from now on is
> >> Gentoo's OpenRC.
> ‎>
> > Unix is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it.
> > Devuan is looking for a new base system that
> > is not Unix and my personal choice for this
> > task from now is Microsoft's Windows.
> >
>
> 
>
> Mitt's response reminded me of a post that was made to the forum earlier
> today in the topic "Windows explained to Devuan supporters" at
> https://talk.devuan.org/t/windows-explained-to-devuan-supporters/139/10 :
>
> 
>
> Linux = Pen testing
> Windows = everything else
>
> There are no advantages in using any linux distros other than pen testing
> and that it can be installed on a USB key(and I think that's very cool).
> Even Software Defined Radio (SDR) with maybe the exception of GMS
> intercepting and decoding, has more development under Windows. Night and
> day. One works extremely well on all PCs and permits the User to actually
> be productive and do things. The other one is a clunky Windows wannabe with
> a couple of specialized advantages that most don't care about. So..
>
> YES
> I like its functionality, its popularity(more software dev and hardware
> support), its clarity and ease of use.
> The only thing wrong with my Windows is its lack of pen testing
> capability, and that is why I'm here (KL2 using Debian8 and now looking for
> an alternative with Dev-one as a base), otherwise I would >> n e v e r <<
> bother with anything linux, life is too short
>
> 
>
> I'll spare you my personal thoughts on this evaluation of Linux but
> looking forward to all of yours.  :)
>
> golinux
>
>
>
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Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

[Stephanie Daugherty]

I assume "penetration testing", and seems like a shortsighted view.

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 1:57 PM Steve Litt  wrote:

> On Tue, 3 May 2016 09:05:03 + (UTC)
> Go Linux  wrote:
>
>
> > 
> >
> > Linux = Pen testing
> > Windows = everything else
>
> What is pen testing? Am I out of touch, or is this guy making up words?
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 3 May 2016 09:05:03 + (UTC)
Go Linux  wrote:


> 
> 
> Linux = Pen testing
> Windows = everything else

What is pen testing? Am I out of touch, or is this guy making up words?

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

[Go Linux]

On Tue, 5/3/16, Mitt Green  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan
 To: dng@lists.dyne.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 1:51 AM

>> The current init system is old. Ancient.
>> We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking
>> for a new init system that is not systemd and my
>> personal choice for this task from now on is
>> Gentoo's OpenRC.
‎>
> Unix is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it.
> Devuan is looking for a new base system that
> is not Unix and my personal choice for this
> task from now is Microsoft's Windows.
> 



Mitt's response reminded me of a post that was made to the forum earlier today 
in the topic "Windows explained to Devuan supporters" at 
https://talk.devuan.org/t/windows-explained-to-devuan-supporters/139/10 :



Linux = Pen testing
Windows = everything else

There are no advantages in using any linux distros other than pen testing and 
that it can be installed on a USB key(and I think that's very cool). Even 
Software Defined Radio (SDR) with maybe the exception of GMS intercepting and 
decoding, has more development under Windows. Night and day. One works 
extremely well on all PCs and permits the User to actually be productive and do 
things. The other one is a clunky Windows wannabe with a couple of specialized 
advantages that most don't care about. So..

YES
I like its functionality, its popularity(more software dev and hardware 
support), its clarity and ease of use.
The only thing wrong with my Windows is its lack of pen testing capability, and 
that is why I'm here (KL2 using Debian8 and now looking for an alternative with 
Dev-one as a base), otherwise I would >> n e v e r << bother with anything 
linux, life is too short



I'll spare you my personal thoughts on this evaluation of Linux but looking 
forward to all of yours.  :)

golinux




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