Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable
o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > Now if all that advertising was actually good for something except making rich > people richer - - - - Or simply paying for things that people want but don’t want to pay directly for ? The problem isn’t the advertising pe se, it’s the lengths advertisers (and some of the sites/programs that use them) go to in order to make their ad stand out more than the other garish ones served either side of it. IFF they were plain and static so we could ignore them, and IFF the noxious cesspits that serve some fo them could be trusted not to serve up malware as well, and IFF … well then there’d be no problem. But it’s this race to make them ever more difficult to ignore, and the evidenced absence of any morals in some parts of the industry that makes then a problem. As someone else pointed out, my magazines are full of ads, in part that’s how they are paid for - but those are static, they don’t jump out of the page and hit you in the face. Without them the magazine (or society subscription) would need to be higher and then less people would sign up. And yes, I have over the years seen ads that fit the “ah, I’ve been looking for something like that” category. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Read this: > > https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-linux-desktop/ > Yes read it. Qt adding support for ADS. Any Open Source KDE/Qt program that did that would have the code that did it removed by debian straight away - I'm pretty sure. So will devuan see any crud? If you use closed source software you are on you own - caveat emptor etc. So why the fuss? > LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executables and libraries, in > 2012. Mostly for the same reasons I refuse to host systemd. Now comes > the possibility of ads on KDE applications. > > But it's even worse, because Qt is doing it, so non-KDE apps might be > involved, including the LXQt I've recommended as an alternative to > the deprecated LXDE. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable
On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 14:36:56, Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE via Dng wrote: > I am looking for a way to fake that I'm opening/reading the ads so the > magazine et all get paid but without having my screen actually littered > with ads and especially my ears not molested. That would be nifty. Sounds like a job for a proxy server. Get it to follow all links and download everything available; do not pass ads on to the client (perhaps substitute them for innocuous content, such as a 1x1 pixel instead of a full-size ad). https://www.privoxy.org/ perhaps. Antony. -- Archaeologists have found a previously-unknown dinosaur which seems to have had a very large vocabulary. They've named it The Saurus. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable
That's a neat idea. Good luck with developing it - keep us posted on how it goes. Reminds me a bit of something that occurred to me a long time ago, when I was having to attend an endless stream of pointless, irrelevant, boring meetings. I wondered about virtual meetings: I'd program a "virtual meeting agent" to say what I had to say (if anything), and record what I needed to hear (if anything); at the set date/time, the agent then would "attend" the meeting with all the other agents (whilst I got on with something useful), and then come back and tell me about it. On Thu, 2022-01-20 at 10:36 -0300, Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE via Dng wrote: > I am looking for a way to fake that I'm opening/reading the ads so the > magazine et all get paid but without having my screen actually littered > with ads and especially my ears not molested. That would be nifty. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable
On Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2022 09:30:28 -03 o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:49 AM Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Read this: > > > > https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-lin > > ux-desktop/ > > > > LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executables and libraries, in > > 2012. Mostly for the same reasons I refuse to host systemd. Now > > comes > > the possibility of ads on KDE applications. > > > > But it's even worse, because Qt is doing it, so non-KDE apps might > > be > > involved, including the LXQt I've recommended as an alternative to > > the deprecated LXDE. > > Now if all that advertising was actually good for something except > making rich people richer - - - - That, although some truth in it, I think is an oversimplification. In the case of my bank and my phone provider I think the statement is true however. > > Is it time for me to start begging the high quality programmer types > for tools to block advertising - - - period? > > Just was reading today about some kind of graphics coding that when > one opened an email that notice was sent back to somewhere with info > regarding me and my system. > > Please - - - this is one time where I think I would even pay for > quality stuff. Unfortunately I get also ads from services I pay for. My bank, gmx, the guardian, ARRL in books, almost all magazines, and so on and so on. They say (and they might be right) that they cannot survive without ads even if their customers pay for subscriptions or for membership. And in magazines I actualy get some valuable information out of ads because they relate to my field of interest. My bank and my phone provider is another story - they want to sell me overpriced stuff that I definitely do not need nor want. There is an upside in getting ads that do not relate whatsoever to my person: it shows that the sender has not the slightest idea about my person. Every day my phone provider sends me SMS about "the INFLUENCERS" and "the best games for your kids". My 'kids' are 50-somethings and the 'INFLUENCERS' spend a lot of time every day to put on heavy makeup - I guess - didn't look, of course. I know there are males who put on make- up -- I: not commenting on this ... Some remarkable exceptions: mega.nz and lo-and-behold google-drive. > The advertising behemoth is so pernicious that I > really want 'Jack the Giant killer' level applications!!! > > Regards I am looking for a way to fake that I'm opening/reading the ads so the magazine et all get paid but without having my screen actually littered with ads and especially my ears not molested. That would be nifty. Have a nice day Eike ZP6CGE ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable
Hi Steve, Steve Litt wrote: > https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-linux-desktop/ > > LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executables and libraries, in > 2012. Mostly for the same reasons I refuse to host systemd. Now comes > the possibility of ads on KDE applications. > > But it's even worse, because Qt is doing it, so non-KDE apps might be > involved, including the LXQt I've recommended as an alternative to > the deprecated LXDE. the news just says QT will support adds, which is "logical" in a modern world. Then any application developer may decide to use it or not, or to make a free ad version or not. Blame developers, more than QT! Personally, I hate ads on computers, Windows is hateful for that... these "news" and "ads" everywhere on phones. It is clearly blending the bad web experience with applications. However, many applications already had ads: they often do this by using an embeddable version of chrome. Quite hateful! Maybe this is a better compromise. I remember using a Softphone at a company, ad version. Just to display an add in a window, it first used flash, then an embedded browser, because adds are animated. Wonderful. 10MB app and then 100MB of "ad framework" to suck resources. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:49 AM Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > Read this: > > https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-linux-desktop/ > > LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executables and libraries, in > 2012. Mostly for the same reasons I refuse to host systemd. Now comes > the possibility of ads on KDE applications. > > But it's even worse, because Qt is doing it, so non-KDE apps might be > involved, including the LXQt I've recommended as an alternative to > the deprecated LXDE. > Now if all that advertising was actually good for something except making rich people richer - - - - Is it time for me to start begging the high quality programmer types for tools to block advertising - - - period? Just was reading today about some kind of graphics coding that when one opened an email that notice was sent back to somewhere with info regarding me and my system. Please - - - this is one time where I think I would even pay for quality stuff. The advertising behemoth is so pernicious that I really want 'Jack the Giant killer' level applications!!! Regards ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable
Hi all, Read this: https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-linux-desktop/ LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executables and libraries, in 2012. Mostly for the same reasons I refuse to host systemd. Now comes the possibility of ads on KDE applications. But it's even worse, because Qt is doing it, so non-KDE apps might be involved, including the LXQt I've recommended as an alternative to the deprecated LXDE. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
