Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-27 Thread golinux
On 2017-09-27 12:05, John Franklin wrote: Nor is botbot an obvious Devuan resource. It is not mentioned anywhere on www.devuan.org, [1] so why would there be a reasonable expectation to even *think* to look there? jf The botbot archives are indeed linked from the devuan.org index page in

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-27 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:44 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > On 2017-09-20 22:36, John Franklin wrote: >>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:59 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: >>> From a search for 'network-manager' in the botbot logs. >>> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=network-manager >>> Was that

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-27 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
goli...@dyne.org writes: > On 2017-09-20 22:36, John Franklin wrote: >>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:59 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: >>> >>> From a search for 'network-manager' in the botbot logs. >>> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=network-manager >>> Was that so hard? >> >> Yes, it is.

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting goli...@dyne.org (goli...@dyne.org): > Because botbot logs the #devuan irc channel where a LOT of questions > are answered and or solved. IMO every Devuan user should have it > bookmarked. It is mentioned frequently on all Devuan communication > channels - those references are pretty

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread golinux
On 2017-09-20 22:36, John Franklin wrote: On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:59 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: From a search for 'network-manager' in the botbot logs. https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=network-manager Was that so hard? Yes, it is. And condescending. Why would someone look at the

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:59 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > From a search for 'network-manager' in the botbot logs. > https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=network-manager > Was that so hard? Yes, it is. And condescending. Why would someone look at the IRC logs of a site that they've

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread golinux
On 2017-09-20 21:47, John Franklin wrote: On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:25 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2017-09-20 15:09, zap wrote: The phase “depends on systemd” is being used in two extreme contexts here. The first is a technical context, where “apt-get install ” fails because of a dependency,

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread golinux
On 2017-09-20 20:51, zap wrote: I would actually like network manager to have its garbage systemd dependencies removed. ___ It's already been done golinux In which version of devuan? all of them or just jessie? just curious. From a search for

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:25 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > On 2017-09-20 15:09, zap wrote: >>> The phase “depends on systemd” is being used in two extreme contexts here. >>> The first is a technical context, where “apt-get install ” fails >>> because of a dependency, and may be trivially

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread zap
I would actually like network manager to have its garbage systemd >> dependencies removed. >> ___ >> > > It's already been done > > golinux > In which version of devuan? all of them or just jessie? just curious. > >

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread golinux
On 2017-09-20 15:09, zap wrote: The phase “depends on systemd” is being used in two extreme contexts here. The first is a technical context, where “apt-get install ” fails because of a dependency, and may be trivially fixed with different build options. The second is “fundamentally and

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Alessandro Selli > wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 at 11:19:51 -0400 > John Franklin wrote: > > >> Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current >> *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:33 AM, J. Fahrner wrote: > > Am 2017-09-20 17:19, schrieb John Franklin: > >> Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current >> *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and >> rebuilt without systemd. >>

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 at 11:19:51 -0400 John Franklin wrote: > Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current > *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and > rebuilt without systemd. > > Give it a try. Please build the gnome

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2017-09-20 17:19, schrieb John Franklin: Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and rebuilt without systemd. Give it a try. Please build the gnome packages from scratch and report back with where

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:16 AM, Erik Christiansen > wrote: > > On 20.09.17 09:55, Svante Signell wrote: >> On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 17:41 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: >>> On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote: I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 20.09.17 09:55, Svante Signell wrote: > On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 17:41 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote: > > > I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to > > > > And that's not possible for Gnome, because Gnome depends on

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 17:41 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote: > > I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to > > And that's not possible for Gnome, because Gnome depends on systemd. > > If you want Gnome you have to live with

[DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote: > I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to > enforce Devuan developers to offer Gnome. Devuans goal is to offer a Linux > system without systemd. Errr, Devuan's reason for _existing_ is to eschew systemd. Absolutely nothing