Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 at 21:46:39 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Elsewhere in this thread, there's been mention of the dire threat to > system security from Intel Management Engine (ME) (every Intel CPU since > 2008) and the equivalent AMD Platform Security Processor (PSP). > >

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 11:00:42 +0200, Didier wrote in message <2beaafb7-1f5d-116a-d503-082ee06f4...@in2p3.fr>: > Le 03/09/2017 à 22:38, zap a écrit : > > *but in the future I hope to get eoma68 which promises even more > > freedom.* > > Hope it's higher quality than Pi-Top (poor keyboard and

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Le 03/09/2017 à 22:38, zap a écrit : *but in the future I hope to get eoma68 which promises even more freedom.* Hope it's higher quality than Pi-Top (poor keyboard and touchpad, Ethernet and USB connectors inside the box with a hole to pass the cables, no interface for hard disk, one

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 09/03/2017 09:41 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 03/09/2017 at 13:32, zap wrote: >> >> On 09/03/2017 05:26 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >>> On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote: > I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they > still haven't even gotten a blobbed

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 09/03/2017 09:41 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: Do you believe that all ARM, SPARC and Power suppliers do not put anything in their CPUs that users and developers do not know about? Again, the only way to be sure is buying hardware from a vendor that produces it's own hardware, CPUs

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 03:41:23PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > This is the present state of the matter: > https://puri.sm/learn/avoiding-intel-amt/ > > "So, there is no hardware level remote access to Purism hardware?" AMT is merely a way to configure the built-in backdoor that allows you

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 03/09/2017 at 13:32, zap wrote: > > > On 09/03/2017 05:26 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote: I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they still haven't even gotten a blobbed version of coreboot working (blobbed init code +

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 09/03/2017 05:26 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote: >>> I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they >>> still haven't even gotten a blobbed version of coreboot working >>> (blobbed init code + ME enabled as they insisted on a crappy intel

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31/08/2017 at 15:24, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 31-08-17 10:14, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> >>Good news indeed! The second one this week, after this worthy attempt by >> puri.sm to finally produce a smartphone designed to be 100% evil-software >> free >> and GNU/Linux

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On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote: > >>> >> I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they >> still haven't even gotten a blobbed version of coreboot working >> (blobbed init code + ME enabled as they insisted on a crappy intel soc) >> Purism isn't a trustworthy company. >

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 09/01/2017 10:43 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > People are mentioning Waterfox yet another reincarnation of Firefox. > Can it run on Devuan ASCII? I have used Palemoon but stopped due to > many issues. YES! and also ceres too. You just can't use it on jessie... for whatever reason... >

[DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

People are mentioning Waterfox yet another reincarnation of Firefox. Can it run on Devuan ASCII? I have used Palemoon but stopped due to many issues. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

> Just try to submit a patch that eg, allows build-time opt-out of > geoloc, motion/ambient sensors, etc, and see what happens. Okay point taken screw firefox... I think waterfox though is more accepting of such patches. > >>> Most of it should still be in their mail archives - and I could

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Elsewhere in this thread, there's been mention of the dire threat to system security from Intel Management Engine (ME) (every Intel CPU since 2008) and the equivalent AMD Platform Security Processor (PSP). Noted in the current Linux Weekly News: discovery of a way to shoot Intel ME version 11

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Quoting Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult (enrico.weig...@gr13.net): > In essence, moz folks only want to add new fancy brave new world > features (seems they're totally in the post-humanist ideology), > and tend to hostile reaction against all critics. > > Just try to submit a patch that eg,

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 01.09.2017 01:25, Rick Moen wrote: https://github.com/orgs/Librezilla/ Thank you for working on that. I haven't taken the time to find the crux of your objection to the upstream code, though. In essence, moz folks only want to add new fancy brave new world features (seems they're

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Quoting Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult (enrico.weig...@gr13.net): > >Have you written this up, somewhere? > > yet incomplete and hackish (due lack of time) > > https://github.com/orgs/Librezilla/ Thank you for working on that. I haven't taken the time to find the crux of your objection to

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 22:38, Rick Moen wrote: I think you're missing that point that a baseband chipset integrated > with a smartphone has total control over anything and everything the> smartphone does, Depends on how it is connected to the rest of the system. If it eg. has a direct link to the mic,

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 22:26, Rick Moen wrote: They say it's going to be either i.MX6 or i.MX8. whenever mx8 will be actually available ... :o They haven't yet decided. (This further underlines my point that it's definitely nothing like a finished product, yet.) ack. I don't want to be unduly

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 22:05, zap wrote: Try Waterfox that is libre by default at least. eme can be disabled and that is waterfox's only problem. Cool, didn't know that yet. We should support it in dng. --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

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Quoting Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult (enrico.weig...@gr13.net): > They suggest firefox ... recent versions (at least since 52) have > built-in malware. I've already removed larged parts of it (yet > very experimental and untested) - still need a strategy to align > w/ upstream. To be very

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 21:53, Daniel Abrecht wrote: While all android phones technically use a linux kernel, they have > nothing else in common with a normal Linux system. Android has it's> own libc: bionic. One of my goals in the gnudroid project (which is currently stalled due lack of time) is

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

FYI just so everyone knows the 6.5K price is the prebuilt cost, you can get the board and CPU for around 2K then you just need DDR4 memory. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no): [snip a bunch of stuff I'm not going to spend time on] > Back to the phones. > > If you have proper control over your phones's baseband, you're > relying on the telco as a proprietary black box to forward your > packets and calls. If your

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Quoting Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult (enrico.weig...@gr13.net): > On 31.08.2017 20:07, Rick Moen wrote: > > >Having the i.MX6 ori.MX8 CPU 'separate' from the baseband > >controller > > Does it have to be an mx6 ? okay, open gpu drivers, but perhaps a little > bit expensive and produces a

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

> >> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/mission-impossible-hardening-android-security-and-privacy >> > > They suggest firefox ... recent versions (at least since 52) have > built-in malware. I've already removed larged parts of it (yet > very experimental and untested) - still need a strategy to

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Rick Moen writes: Having the i.MX6 ori.MX8 CPU 'separate' from the baseband controller (a term on which they have not yet elaborated), but the latter remains deeply problematic, being a proprietary black box with proprietary, opaque firmware. Really? I suppose you've dealt with as many ISPs

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 While all android phones technically use a linux kernel, they have nothing else in common with a normal Linux system. Android has it's own libc: bionic. It also has special IPC mechanisms enabled in the linux kernel, and it uses gralloc instead of

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:40:58AM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they still > haven't even gotten a blobbed version of coreboot working (blobbed init code > + ME enabled as they insisted on a crappy intel soc) > Purism isn't a

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 07:35:49PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 31.08.2017 16:40, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > >I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they still > >haven't even gotten a blobbed version of coreboot working (blobbed init > >code + ME

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 20:07, Rick Moen wrote: Having the i.MX6 ori.MX8 CPU 'separate' from the baseband controller Does it have to be an mx6 ? okay, open gpu drivers, but perhaps a little bit expensive and produces a lot heat. (a term on which they have not yet elaborated), but the latter remains

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > Good news indeed! The second one this week, after this worthy attempt > by puri.sm to finally produce a smartphone designed to be 100% > evil-software free and GNU/Linux compatible (scheduled for release in > 2019, though): > >

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 15:48, Edward Bartolo wrote: The devil's advocate in me tells me, since making money is involved, in the end, history will repeat itself as with what happened with 'user-centredness' in GNU/Linux! Those who have used GNU/Linux for some long time know pretty well with the shoving

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 17:01, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: Sure as far as it the kernel concerns that is true. As soon as you want hardware support for a specific SOC you depend on the hardware manufacturer. Which are not interested in open source and you are already lucky if they even want

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 16:40, taii...@gmx.com wrote: I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they still haven't even gotten a blobbed version of coreboot working (blobbed init code + ME enabled as they insisted on a crappy intel soc) Purism isn't a trustworthy company. Don't

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31-08-17 16:14, Narcis Garcia wrote: El 31/08/17 a les 15:24, info at smallinnovations dot nl ha escrit: As a owner of a BQ Aquaris E45 Ubuntu version i fully support this kind of free smartphone development. But i doubt of a linux smartphone will be functional comparable with Android or

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 08/31/2017 04:14 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 at 18:25:07 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: Thought I would share this! After what happened with TALOS 1 I can't believe they actually pulled it off this time. This is truly a historic moment for computing

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

El 31/08/17 a les 15:24, info at smallinnovations dot nl ha escrit: > On 31-08-17 10:14, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> >>Good news indeed! The second one this week, after this worthy >> attempt by >> puri.sm to finally produce a smartphone designed to be 100% >> evil-software free >> and

[DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

The devil's advocate in me tells me, since making money is involved, in the end, history will repeat itself as with what happened with 'user-centredness' in GNU/Linux! Those who have used GNU/Linux for some long time know pretty well with the shoving down our throats of systemd what remains of

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31-08-17 10:14, Alessandro Selli wrote: Good news indeed! The second one this week, after this worthy attempt by puri.sm to finally produce a smartphone designed to be 100% evil-software free and GNU/Linux compatible (scheduled for release in 2019, though):

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 04:03:57AM +0200, mdn wrote: > I wonder how many packages already work on power compared to X86 ? Since this is little-endian, old "power" (ie, powerpc and ppc64) won't work. Thus, you need ppc64el packages only. Binary packages in ppc64el unstable main: 53512 Binary

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 at 18:25:07 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: > Thought I would share this! > > After what happened with TALOS 1 I can't believe they actually pulled it > off this time. > > This is truly a historic moment for computing freedom lovers - an owner > controlled

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Le 31/08/2017 03:58, zap a écrit : > On 08/30/2017 06:25 PM, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > >> Thought I would share this! >> >> After what happened with TALOS 1 I can't believe they actually pulled >> it off this time. >> >> This is truly a historic moment for computing freedom lovers - an >> owner

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 08/30/2017 06:25 PM, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > Thought I would share this! > > After what happened with TALOS 1 I can't believe they actually pulled > it off this time. > > This is truly a historic moment for computing freedom lovers - an > owner controlled open source ultra high performance

[DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Thought I would share this! After what happened with TALOS 1 I can't believe they actually pulled it off this time. This is truly a historic moment for computing freedom lovers - an owner controlled open source ultra high performance workstation/server for only a few thousand dollars.