Re: [DNG] Upgrade & migrate?
Antony Stone wrote: > My definition of skipping releases would be: > > Ascii (skip Beowulf) -> Chimaera > > Stretch (skip Buster) -> Bullseye > > Stretch (skip Buster or Beowulf) -> Chimaera Agreed. Those would be skipping releases. Not supported. > I'm not asking about any of those. I almost trimmed all of the above out of my response here. But left it because it is good to have confirmation and clarity and the above are good concrete examples. > I'm asking about going from one version of Debian to the next version of > Devuan. >>> - upgraded and migrated from the previous Debian release (eg: Stretch -> >>> Beowulf) >>> Is that last option still valid for eg: Buster -> Chimaera? First, I am not an authoritative answerer, caution, this is just me, but... I think what you are asking is okay to do and you can be successful doing it. I have done it several times with success. But this might be because of what I have or do not have installed or because I have extensively cleaned my system before the upgrade. With any upgrade the best success is when it has had the best preparation. https://www.proulx.com/~bob/doc/bobs-guide-to-upgrading-debian/bobs-guide-to-upgrading-debian.html I think what you want to do will work but it is not the documented procedure. The documented procedure is to go from Debian 10 Buster to Debian 11 Bullseye and then from Bullseye to Chimaera. That's well documented within each OS. So you are somewhat skipping one of the connecting points. But you are NOT skipping an OS release in the classic way that is definitely not supported. You will be seeing all of the transition points along the way. Transitions dealing with Perl, Python, and so on of all of the library transions. The important thing is to be aware of the manual steps needed to step from systemd as init to a supported init in Devuan. The process is well documented for going from Bullseye to Chimaera here. https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera If you decide to avoid the Debian 10 Buster to Debian 11 Bullseye upgrade and go directly to Devuan 4 Chimaera then you are stepping outside of the well traveled path. Depending upon the exact collection of packages you have installed on your system there might be some snag that would cause problems. If you feel confident of your abilities to self-rescue things in the case of problems then I don't see any major reason it would not work for you. But why tempt fate? What's the actual savings of avoiding the traveled path? Chimaera is an overlay on Bullseye. Therefore upgrading from Debian 10 Buster to 11 Bullseye is actually on the path to Chimaera. And then the upgrade form Bullseye to Devuan 4 Chimaera is a much smaller upgrade than from Devuan 3 Beowulf. Most packages are the exact same packages. Only a few are different. If I were upgrading a 100 servers in a datacenter then I would test upgrade a handful to verify the process and then do all of them and it would save quite a bit of time. But if I were just upgrading my own desktop and just wanted to get done then I would just go ahead and do the documented path. It would save time in the long run to stay on the path. Slow is fast and fast is slow. On the other hand if it was me and I wanted to test if this were working then I would snapshot a VM for perfect safety and then try it and see what issues occurred. Do it on something that if it failed that it would not be a problem. Good Luck! Bob signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Upgrade & migrate?
On Thursday 07 July 2022 at 00:41:18, Gregory Nowak via Dng wrote: > I stand to be corrected, but I think not supported simply means if you > get yourself into trouble, you keep the pieces, not that it can't be > done. I don't believe I'm asking about "skipping releases", though (which is what is referred to in the documentation as not supported). My definition of skipping releases would be: Ascii (skip Beowulf) -> Chimaera Stretch (skip Buster) -> Bullseye Stretch (skip Buster or Beowulf) -> Chimaera I'm not asking about any of those. I'm asking about going from one version of Debian to the next version of Devuan. > On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 05:56:24PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I notice that https://www.devuan.org/ states that "Devuan Chimaera can be > > installed as an upgrade from Devuan Beowulf or migrated from Debian > > Bullseye. Note that skipping releases is not supported." > > > > I seem to recall that earlier releases could be: > > - migrated from the equivalent Debian release (eg: Buster -> Beowulf) > > > > - upgraded from the previous Devuan release (eg: Ascii -> Beowulf) > > > > - upgraded and migrated from the previous Debian release (eg: Stretch -> > > > > Beowulf) > > > > Is that last option still valid for eg: Buster -> Chimaera? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Antony. -- I bought a book on memory techniques, but I've forgotten where I put it. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Upgrade & migrate?
I stand to be corrected, but I think not supported simply means if you get yourself into trouble, you keep the pieces, not that it can't be done. I upgraded a couple of systems from Ascii directly to Chimaera a while ago, and it went well for the most part. From what I recall, I had to intervene to resolve cryptsetup-initramfs and cryptsetup-bin by hand, and maybe another package or two. I am not recommending someone try that, unless you feel comfortable dealing with dpkg, and have a fairly good grasp of manually resolving package dependencies. If someone reads this, tries skipping devuan versions and ends up with a mess, I'm not responsible. Greg On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 05:56:24PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > Hi. > > I notice that https://www.devuan.org/ states that "Devuan Chimaera can be > installed as an upgrade from Devuan Beowulf or migrated from Debian Bullseye. > Note that skipping releases is not supported." > > I seem to recall that earlier releases could be: > > - migrated from the equivalent Debian release (eg: Buster -> Beowulf) > > - upgraded from the previous Devuan release (eg: Ascii -> Beowulf) > > - upgraded and migrated from the previous Debian release (eg: Stretch -> > Beowulf) > > Is that last option still valid for eg: Buster -> Chimaera? > > > > Thanks, > > > Antony. > > -- > It may not seem obvious, but (6 x 5 + 5) x 5 - 55 equals 5! > >Please reply to the list; > please *don't* CC me. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Upgrade & migrate?
Hi. I notice that https://www.devuan.org/ states that "Devuan Chimaera can be installed as an upgrade from Devuan Beowulf or migrated from Debian Bullseye. Note that skipping releases is not supported." I seem to recall that earlier releases could be: - migrated from the equivalent Debian release (eg: Buster -> Beowulf) - upgraded from the previous Devuan release (eg: Ascii -> Beowulf) - upgraded and migrated from the previous Debian release (eg: Stretch -> Beowulf) Is that last option still valid for eg: Buster -> Chimaera? Thanks, Antony. -- It may not seem obvious, but (6 x 5 + 5) x 5 - 55 equals 5! Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
