Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-07 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 7 Jan 23:12:47 -0800
 tom scripsit:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 15:58:11 +0100
> "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp"  wrote:
> 
> > Anno domini 2020 Wed, 1 Jan 08:00:22 -0500
> >  fsmithred via Dng scripsit:
> > > On 12/31/19 4:49 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > > All upgraded since some months, no problems so far.
> > > > 
> > > > Nik
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Was that with kde desktop by any chance? (One less for me to do?)
> > 
> > No, I use TDE (http://trinitydesktop.org) - I droped KDE ages ago
> > when it was promoted to 4.X - more clutter, less freedom ..
> > 
> > Nik
> > 
> > 
> > > 
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> oh, Has Trinity released a beowulf/buster repo build yet?
> 

Oh yes, that was just recently ... 2018 I think ... :)

14.0.7 is out since 2019/12/30. Just follow the instructions - and use Slavecs 
preliminary build for "bleeding edge". Well, if you do not run FreeBSD, there's 
nothing bleeding about that.

Nik








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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-07 Thread tom
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 15:58:11 +0100
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp"  wrote:

> Anno domini 2020 Wed, 1 Jan 08:00:22 -0500
>  fsmithred via Dng scripsit:
> > On 12/31/19 4:49 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > All upgraded since some months, no problems so far.
> > > 
> > > Nik
> > > 
> > 
> > Was that with kde desktop by any chance? (One less for me to do?)
> 
> No, I use TDE (http://trinitydesktop.org) - I droped KDE ages ago
> when it was promoted to 4.X - more clutter, less freedom ..
> 
> Nik
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oh, Has Trinity released a beowulf/buster repo build yet?

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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-06 Thread Florian Zieboll
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 14:58:10 -0500
fsmithred via Dng  wrote:

> Please upgrade



Devuan ASCII (originating from the Devuan Jessie "beta2" iso) to Beowulf
upgrade report: Lenovo ThinkPad X200 with slim login manager and a
customized LXqt desktop environment (not all lxqt-core dependencies are
installed). 


tl;dr: - The upgrade has been largely successful (besides cifs mounts!).

   - These notes might help with elogind/consolekit, busybox-syslogd
 and firefox-esr profile issues. 

   - A simple "low diskspace" workaround is provided.

   - libsystemd0 is obsolete again.

   - There is one issue with cifs-utils left for further
 investigation: Two fstab-mounted (remote) samba 4.2 shares,
 formerly writable, have turned read-only - while my ascii
 desktop has still r/w access. (As first client-side attempts
 have not been successful yet, I will look at it another day,
 together with the server.)


mentionable services, basic functionality tested OK: 
- wicd
- cupsd
- libvirtd
- bluez
- tor
- opensshd
- exim4 (localhost)


additional notes: 
- session and power management work fine
- /etc/default/grub modified (unasked?)
- firefox-esr refuses to start the existing profile "with an
  older version of Firefox" creating a new profile results in:
# diff ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/compatibility.ini
- some desktop icons (adwaita) broken
- lxqt-powermangement now works for me, but seems to conflict
  (on hibernation only) with xfce4-powermanagement (which I had
  to use on ascii): the system /boots/ from not cleanly
  unmounted partitions with a "Read-error on swap-device", when
  both are installed.


the log:

edit /etc/apt/sources.list:

#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 1.0 _Jessie_ - Official Beta2 amd64 DVD 
Binary-1 20161128-18:28]/ jessie contrib main non-free

deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf main contrib non-free
deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf main contrib 
non-free

deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf-security main contrib 
non-free
deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main 
contrib non-free

deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf-updates main contrib 
non-free
deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates main contrib 
non-free

update package index and start upgrade process:

# apt update && apt upgrade 
(SNIP)
1570 upgraded, 251 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 206 not 
upgraded.
Need to get 1,489 MB of archives.
After this operation 1,746 MB of additional disk space will be 
used.
(SNIP)
[^C]

canceled, check free disk space:

# df -h | grep -e '\ \/$'| awk '{print $4}'
2.1 GB

disk space is quite low, so I temporarily move apt's cache to another
partition:

# mv /var/cache/apt/archives/* /home/florian/Desktop/apt_achives.tmp/
# mount -o bind /home/florian/Desktop/apt_achives.tmp/ 
/var/cache/apt/archives/ 
# apt upgrade
(SNIP)
Errors were encounted while processing:
 busybox-syslogd
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

trying to solve this:
# apt --fix-broken install
(SNIP)
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 206 not upgraded.
1 not fully installed or removed.
After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
Setting up busybox-syslogd (1:1.30.1-4) ...
[] Restarting busybox' syslogd implementation: 
syslogdStarting /sbin/syslogd...
3898 (syslogd)
. ok
[] Restarting busybox' klogd implementation: klogdNo klogd 
found running; none killed.
Starting /sbin/klogd...
3945 (klogd)
 failed!
invoke-rc.d: initscript busybox-klogd, action "restart" failed.
dpkg: error processing package busybox-syslogd (--configure):
 installed busybox-syslogd package post-installation script 
subprocess returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 busybox-syslogd
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
# tail -l 15 /var/log/apt/term.log
Log started: 2020-01-06  12:11:42
Setting up busybox-syslogd (1:1.30.1-4) ...
[] Restarting busybox' syslogd implementation: 
syslogdStarting /sbin/syslogd...
3898 (syslogd)
[?25l[?1c7[ 

Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-05 Thread Tito via Dng

On 06/01/20 02:30, tempforever wrote:

'smee via Dng wrote:

When I ran dist-upgrade the first time, it downloaded and unpacked
everything okay but then failed with an error that dpkg had errored
out. /var/log/dpkg.log didn't give anything helpful but I ended up
finding the solution was to run 'apt --fix-broken install' just like
that without specifying any package. After running that, dist-upgrade
worked.


The same thing happened with me also today with another ascii-to-beowulf upgrade.  A problem with some java library, if I remember correctly.  


Hi,

It is:

libservlet3.1-java_1%3a4.0.1-2_all.deb ...
Unpacking libservlet3.1-java (1:4.0.1-2) over (8.5.50-0+deb9u1) ...

Errors were encountered while processing:
   /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-rkLWUp/1006-libel-api-java_3.0.0-2_all.deb
   /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-rkLWUp/1083-libjsp-api-java_2.3.4-2_all.deb
   /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-rkLWUp/1084-libwebsocket-api-java_1.1-1_all.deb

Ciao,
Tito


If needed, I can try to find exactly what it was.  And had to manually install 
elogind and libelogind0 after the upgrade.

Also had the issue with pulseaudio not auto-starting, as described already by 
Andreas Messer.
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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-05 Thread tempforever

'smee via Dng wrote:

When I ran dist-upgrade the first time, it downloaded and unpacked
everything okay but then failed with an error that dpkg had errored
out. /var/log/dpkg.log didn't give anything helpful but I ended up
finding the solution was to run 'apt --fix-broken install' just like
that without specifying any package. After running that, dist-upgrade
worked.


The same thing happened with me also today with another ascii-to-beowulf 
upgrade.  A problem with some java library, if I remember correctly.  If 
needed, I can try to find exactly what it was.  And had to manually 
install elogind and libelogind0 after the upgrade.


Also had the issue with pulseaudio not auto-starting, as described 
already by Andreas Messer.

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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-05 Thread 'smee via Dng
Also, just in case anyone else is trying to upgrade and runs into this
issue, I'll share it.

When I ran dist-upgrade the first time, it downloaded and unpacked
everything okay but then failed with an error that dpkg had errored
out. /var/log/dpkg.log didn't give anything helpful but I ended up
finding the solution was to run 'apt --fix-broken install' just like
that without specifying any package. After running that, dist-upgrade
worked.



On Sun, 2020-01-05 at 11:15 -0700, 'smee via Dng wrote:
> Updated my daily driver, everything so far looks good. 
> 
> I use xfce with Xfce-orange for the theme and noticed the orange
> turned
> red. Not a problem, just an observation.
> 
> I had the problem with su root that tempo had and used tito's
> solution
> to fix it. (thanks temp and tito)
> 
> One odd thing that happened and went away was, I have a script that
> opens one terminal window with a bunch of tabs, when I ran that
> initially I got an error about cannot connect to session manager. A
> stackexchange issue mentioned a conflict between the user calling the
> command and the one owning the session. I wasn't logged in as
> anything
> unusual, but I tried closing my terminal, opening a fresh one and
> calling from there and it worked. I may have done something as root
> in
> that terminal window that changed the session owner, though I really
> can't think of what I might have done. Anyway, I thought I'd share in
> case anyone else sees a similar or more persistent issue.
> 
> Side note - I got my snapshot iso working exactly how I want it (and
> learned a little bit about iso's). Thank you fsmithred for the help.
> AndRefractasnapshot is awesome! :)
> 
> Will report back if I run into anything of interest.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2019-12-31 at 14:58 -0500, fsmithred via Dng wrote:
> > Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii
> > production 
> > system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY,
> > not 
> > the real thing.
> > 
> > I've upgraded standard no-X systems, xfce and mate desktops, and
> > those 
> > went smoothly. We need more data points.
> > 
> > Thanks,
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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-05 Thread 'smee via Dng
Updated my daily driver, everything so far looks good. 

I use xfce with Xfce-orange for the theme and noticed the orange turned
red. Not a problem, just an observation.

I had the problem with su root that tempo had and used tito's solution
to fix it. (thanks temp and tito)

One odd thing that happened and went away was, I have a script that
opens one terminal window with a bunch of tabs, when I ran that
initially I got an error about cannot connect to session manager. A
stackexchange issue mentioned a conflict between the user calling the
command and the one owning the session. I wasn't logged in as anything
unusual, but I tried closing my terminal, opening a fresh one and
calling from there and it worked. I may have done something as root in
that terminal window that changed the session owner, though I really
can't think of what I might have done. Anyway, I thought I'd share in
case anyone else sees a similar or more persistent issue.

Side note - I got my snapshot iso working exactly how I want it (and
learned a little bit about iso's). Thank you fsmithred for the help.
AndRefractasnapshot is awesome! :)

Will report back if I run into anything of interest.




On Tue, 2019-12-31 at 14:58 -0500, fsmithred via Dng wrote:
> Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii
> production 
> system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY,
> not 
> the real thing.
> 
> I've upgraded standard no-X systems, xfce and mate desktops, and
> those 
> went smoothly. We need more data points.
> 
> Thanks,
> fsmithred
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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-04 Thread R. G. Sidler

Hallo Liste

I started with a netinstall (Ascii 2.1), just basic installation, then 
changed all repo-entries to https and [arch=amd64], restarted my 
computer. Then I changed all repo-entries from ascii to beowulf, 
commented "backports" out and started my full installation.


I am working with WindowMaker, wdm and various apps from different 
sources, Thunar as file-manager, Firefox 71, Thunderbird 72 (beta) from 
Mozilla ftp-Server, Spotify, Discord, Viber, Yandex-Browser, MegaSync 
and Yandex Disc, Skype and Teamviewer, MasterPDF and Okuna from their 
respective sources. I installed Scribus 1.5.5 as Flatpak. *The only 
thing which is not working, is Brackets, it would require libcurl3 
instead of libcurl4, but those cannot be installed side by side :-(*


Steam is working after installing some i386-packets :-(

All Dockapps are working flawlessly.

I am working an a Thinkstation E31, Xeon E3-1245 v2, 32GB RAM, Samsung 
EVO 250GB and WD Blue 1TB, Graphicscard AMD Radeon Pro WX 4100, Monitor 
1 is a Samsung UHD and Monitor 2 is a Dell Ultrasharp FHD, Printers: 
Canon Selphy CP910 (used over Turboprint), HP Laserjet 400 Pro, HP 
Officejet Pro 8600 Plus eAio, Logitech Surround Speakers on a ASUS Xonar 
Essence STX II 7.1.


And even my Palm m500 is working without problems :-)

Thank you for your excellent work!


Roland

Am 04.01.20 um 07:51 schrieb Tito via Dng:



On 1/3/20 10:11 PM, te...@tempforever.dynu.com wrote:

fsmithred via Dng wrote:
Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii 
production system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS 
ON A COPY, not the real thing.





Did another successful upgrade.  XFCE desktop.  LVM + LUKS.  No major 
issues -- rebooted after the upgrade then installed elogind.  It 
warned about some dependencies on libsystemd0 but all seems well 
after another reboot.  Of course, had to edit 
/lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions again to get rid of that 
annoying delay on shutdown.


One (minor) irritation that I noticed both on this and my recent VM 
upgrade, is root user no longer has /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin, /sbin 
in PATH


This exists in both ascii and beowulf /etc/profile
if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then
PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
else

PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/usr/local/go/bin" 


fi
export PATH


I just put the desired directories in /root/.bashrc for now


Hi
to fix su:

cat /etc/default/su
ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes

Ciao,
Tito
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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-03 Thread Tito via Dng



On 1/3/20 10:11 PM, te...@tempforever.dynu.com wrote:

fsmithred via Dng wrote:

Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production system to 
beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not the real thing.




Did another successful upgrade.  XFCE desktop.  LVM + LUKS.  No major issues -- 
rebooted after the upgrade then installed elogind.  It warned about some 
dependencies on libsystemd0 but all seems well after another reboot.  Of 
course, had to edit /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions again to get rid of 
that annoying delay on shutdown.

One (minor) irritation that I noticed both on this and my recent VM upgrade, is 
root user no longer has /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin, /sbin in PATH

This exists in both ascii and beowulf /etc/profile
if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then
   PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
else

PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/usr/local/go/bin"
fi
export PATH


I just put the desired directories in /root/.bashrc for now


Hi
to fix su:

cat /etc/default/su
ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes

Ciao,
Tito
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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-03 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 04:11:11PM -0500, te...@tempforever.dynu.com wrote:
> One (minor) irritation that I noticed both on this and my recent VM upgrade,
> is root user no longer has /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin, /sbin in PATH

Do you mean upon login, or su? If su, then you need to invoke su as

su -

instead of simply as su.

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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-03 Thread tempo

fsmithred via Dng wrote:
Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production 
system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not 
the real thing.





Did another successful upgrade.  XFCE desktop.  LVM + LUKS.  No major 
issues -- rebooted after the upgrade then installed elogind.  It warned 
about some dependencies on libsystemd0 but all seems well after another 
reboot.  Of course, had to edit /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions 
again to get rid of that annoying delay on shutdown.


One (minor) irritation that I noticed both on this and my recent VM 
upgrade, is root user no longer has /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin, /sbin in 
PATH


This exists in both ascii and beowulf /etc/profile
if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then
  PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
else

PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/usr/local/go/bin"
fi
export PATH


I just put the desired directories in /root/.bashrc for now
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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-03 Thread tempo

fsmithred via Dng wrote:
Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production 
system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not 
the real thing.




Upgrade went pretty smoothly on a VirtualBox VM I use weekly.  XFCE desktop.

No "backports" for beowulf?
Err:8 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 5.196.38.18 80]



It seems wine32 cannot be installed on devuan 3.  This is not a 
deal-breaker for me, but just mentioning it as something upgraders may 
want to be aware of.



 wine32:i386 : Depends: libwine:i386 (= 4.0-2)
 libwine:i386 : Depends: libpulse0:i386 (>= 0.99.1)
 libpulse0:i386 : Depends: libsystemd0:i386

I won't even go into what happens trying to install libsystemd0:i386




This may have been asked/answered already, so sorry if it is a repeat, 
but what happened to gksu?  Not really liking pkexec as an alternative 
(it's asking for another user's password, not the root one).


Package gksu is not available, but is referred to by another package.


Otherwise things seem okay.  I will try ascii->beowulf on a laptop today 
(also using XFCE desktop); and _maybe_ a (GUI-less) remote server over 
the weekend.

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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-03 Thread tempforever



fsmithred via Dng wrote:
Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production 
system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not 
the real thing.





Upgrade went pretty smoothly on a VirtualBox VM I use weekly.  XFCE desktop.

No "backports" for beowulf?
Err:8 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 5.196.38.18 80]



It seems wine32 cannot be installed on devuan 3.  This is not a 
deal-breaker for me, but just mentioning it as something upgraders may 
want to be aware of.



 wine32:i386 : Depends: libwine:i386 (= 4.0-2)
 libwine:i386 : Depends: libpulse0:i386 (>= 0.99.1)
 libpulse0:i386 : Depends: libsystemd0:i386

I won't even go into what happens trying to install libsystemd0:i386




This may have been asked/answered already, so sorry if it is a repeat, 
but what happened to gksu?  Not really liking pkexec as an alternative 
(it's asking for another user's password, not the root one).


Package gksu is not available, but is referred to by another package.


Otherwise things seem okay.  I will try ascii->beowulf on a laptop today 
(also using XFCE desktop); and _maybe_ a (GUI-less) remote server over 
the weekend.

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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports - slim 3d try

2020-01-03 Thread Tito via Dng



On 12/31/19 8:58 PM, fsmithred via Dng wrote:

Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production system to 
beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not the real thing.

I've upgraded standard no-X systems, xfce and mate desktops, and those went 
smoothly. We need more data points.

Thanks,
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Hi,
here is my upgrade report, a story of a long night.
I've upgraded my Desktop Workstation running ASCII
with a rather complex setup:

self compiled 4.19.92 kernel package
xfce4 + KDE installed

/  raid1
swap   raid1
/home/user raid6
/freespace raid5
/morefreespace /raid1

and with a sources.list with some third party repos:

#deb-multimedia
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ buster main non-free
# Virtualbox
deb https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/ buster contrib non-free
# Lynis
deb https://packages.cisofy.com/community/lynis/deb/ stable main
# Samsung printer drivers
deb http://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/ debian extra

I did the upgrade from within the XFCE desktop just for the thrill...

After updating the repos in source.list to beowulf I run
apt update
but some i386 deb packages gave a 404 error so I've added more
devuan repos and the error was fixed.
Then I've run apt upgrade and while upgrading about 1700 packages some errors 
popped up:

dpkg: error processing archive 
/tmp/apt-dpkg-install-rkLWUp/1006-libel-api-java_3.0.0-2_all.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite 
'/usr/share/maven-repo/javax/el/javax.el-api/3.0/javax.el-api-3.0.pom',
 which is also in package libservlet3.1-java 8.5.50-0+deb9u1
Preparing to unpack .../1007-libeot0_0.01-5_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking libeot0:amd64 (0.01-5) over (0.01-4+b1) ...
Preparing to unpack .../1008-libepoxy0_1.5.3-0.1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking libepoxy0:amd64 (1.5.3-0.1) over (1.3.1-2) ...
Preparing to unpack .../1009-libetonyek-0.1-1_0.1.9-1_amd64.deb ...

pkg: error processing archive 
/tmp/apt-dpkg-install-rkLWUp/1083-libjsp-api-java_2.3.4-2_all.deb (--unpack):
   trying to overwrite 
'/usr/share/maven-repo/javax/servlet/jsp/javax.servlet.jsp-api/2.3/javax.servlet.jsp-api-2.3.pom',
   which is also in package libservlet3.1-java 8.5.50-0+deb9u1
Selecting previously unselected package libwebsocket-api-java.
Preparing to unpack .../1084-libwebsocket-api-java_1.1-1_all.deb ...
Unpacking libwebsocket-api-java (1.1-1) ...
dpkg: error processing archive 
/tmp/apt-dpkg-install-rkLWUp/1084-libwebsocket-api-java_1.1-1_all.deb 
(--unpack):
   trying to overwrite 
'/usr/share/maven-repo/javax/websocket/javax.websocket-api/1.0/javax.websocket-api-1.0.pom',
   which is also in package libservlet3.1-java 8.5.50-0+deb9u1
Preparing to unpack .../1085-libservlet3.1-java_1%3a4.0.1-2_all.deb ...
Unpacking libservlet3.1-java (1:4.0.1-2) over (8.5.50-0+deb9u1) ...

Errors were encountered while processing:
   /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-rkLWUp/1006-libel-api-java_3.0.0-2_all.deb
   /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-rkLWUp/1083-libjsp-api-java_2.3.4-2_all.deb
   /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-rkLWUp/1084-libwebsocket-api-java_1.1-1_all.deb

They were fixed by: apt --fix-broken install

and the upgrade finished with some more errors probably due to bashism in 
initscripts:

etc/init.d/minissdpd: 48: [: eth0: unexpected operator

same unexpected operator error for openipmi. Just removed both packages.

Trying to upgrade the remaining 800 packages was tricky:

at first I upgraded network-manager, but to upgrade the other packages was a 
pain
as they wanted to uninstall half of my system .
Upgrading libsystemd0 resolved it but uninstalled
also network-manager that could be reinstalled afterwards.
Most packages upgraded, and the few remaining did by hand.

Some more bugs in the after install:

xfce4-notifyd was not started at log in with the side effect that 
network-manager showed
the network as disconnected meanwhile it was connected.
xfce4-notifyd seems to have only a systemd.unit but no file in 
/etc/xdg/autostart.
I fixed it by adding it to Autostart section of the xfce control panel.
Also pulseaudio was not started in Xfce4, so added it also to Autostart.

The worst trouble was with firefox-esr, at first start it informed me that:

Using an older version of Firefox can corrupt bookmarks and browsing
history already saved to an existing Firefox profile. To protect your
information, create a new profile for this installation of Firefox.

Create new profile  |  Quit

I just backed up my .mozilla folder to save my bookmarks and settings.
I've tried also the tar.gz from mozilla, it was not as kind and started
with a new profile without asking just telling me that I could recover
my bookmarks by login to their syncWTF.
It seems to me that the version detection must be bugged.
Creating a new profile and restoring bookmarks,extensions and all other settings
by hand was the only thing that helped.

KDE worked well.


Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-02 Thread Andreas Messer
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 02:58:10PM -0500, fsmithred via Dng wrote:
> Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production system
> to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not the real
> thing.

Well, already did on my production systems, not many test machines for home use
:-). I have three machines updated within the last two months, sorry, a
little bit lengthy now:

[notebook]: Updated from ascii to beowulf roughly a month ago. KDE/Plasma
Desktop, Firefox, Visual Code from external Microsoft repo, LVM volumes. 
No issues during upgrade (*), system seems to be stable (no crashes so far)

* I don't remind all details anymore but see below for more recent update.

[soho nas/server]: Also about a month ago. This was a new machine with
a minimal ascii as trampoline for installing beowulf. No issues during
upgrade. Machine is headless, no elogind. Currently working services are:
Samba AD DC for Windows clients and providing LDAP/Kerberos to Linux
hosts, NFS fileserver, Lighttpd + PHP FPM, MariaDB, Amanda Client. The
machine sometimes looks up: once a month or so, either during standby (to
ram) or wakeup. I suppose related to Mainboard or Bios.

[workstation]: Upgraded just a few days ago from ascii to beowulf. Also
a pure desktop machine: KDE/Plasma, KMail, Gnome, Firefox, KiCad, 
Amanda server (not yet used again), Visual Code, Gimp, LVM for root and
other filesystems, mixed NVME/HDD.

I run upgrade commands from within a "screen" session in a terminal from 
KDE. Since I forgot to disable screen-saver before, it locked after a
while and prompted me to switch to text console, login and perform a
"loginctl" command to unlock. This worked, however I'd recommend to 
either disable all screen savers during upgrade or use a text console
for upgrade.

I was required some repeats of the "upgrade" / "dist-upgrade" commands.
Also an "--fix-broken install" was needed. I think this was related to
autofs package: I host a local package mirror as NFS share which is
mounted through autofs, when updating autofs, it will restart / remount
all autofs shares so the autofs_*.deb disappeared during install of autofs 
which dpkg doesn't seem to like :-)

After upgrade KDE desktop was not installed anymore. I had to manually
install it again (kde-plasma-desktop package). Also elogind* was not
upgraded, I think the later was related to libsystemd0 package, which was still
installed. I had to manually remove libsystemd0. Afterwards I could
upgrade elogind*. Is it correct that libsystemd0 is still present in
deb.devuan.org for beowulf? Since libelogind0 replaces it, it
shouldn't be there at all, right?

After upgrade I noticed, that sound in KDE was not working as expected.
KDE/Plasma seem to have more or less fully switched to pulseaudio. The
pulseaudio package was installed but not working properly. Today I just
figured out, that the libpulse0 package from debian ships with a file

/etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf 

which changes behavior to not automatically start pulseaudio server by
client if needed. Probably since pulseaudio is now started through 
systemd on Debian:

/usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.socket
/usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.service

This change actually breaks sound/mixers for all pulseaudio using
applications, A freshly installed beowulf with KDE desktop might not
deliver sound out of the box. 

As a quick fix I edited

/etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf 

and commented out the setting made there. I see two more persistent
solutions:

- provide own libpulse0 package without that config file
- create a devuan package which installs a 01-reenable-autospawn.conf file
  to revert the setting

Another noticeable thing (Wife) is, that the banshee package is not available
anymore (removed from Debian as well). With some quirks I was able to
generate it locally from the Debian source. We evaluated some
alternatives before but most of them suffer GUI usability and focus to much 
on for our mood unecessary features.

KiCad (electronic cad programm) worked fine at once. Old project was
converted without issues and was directly useable again.

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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 02:58:10PM -0500, fsmithred via Dng wrote:
> Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production system
> to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not the real
> thing.
> 
> I've upgraded standard no-X systems, xfce and mate desktops, and those went
> smoothly. We need more data points.

Upgraded my Purism laptop from ascii to beowulf several months ago.  No 
real problems.

The only issue I noticed was that the clock disappeared from the 
toolbar in lxde.

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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 09:07:45PM +0200, Dimitris via Dng wrote:
> On 12/31/19 9:58 PM, fsmithred via Dng wrote:
> > I've upgraded standard no-X systems
> 
> openrc, no-X, task-console-productivity, luks .
> 
> dist-upgraded from fresh 2.1 release to beowulf.
> got a segmanation fault during openrc configuration on upgrade and
> install failed.. no screenshots available, but it had something to do
> with lvm2. so, upgraded lvm2 first, and everything else upgraded
> smoothly afterwards.

Somewhat concerned about this, once I want to upgrade my server from 
ascii to beowulf.  It uses the logical volume manager for *everything* 
except /boot.

(upgrading my Purism laptop I did some months ago and it works well 
ever since)

My server carries the internet connexion to the rest of the world, so 
if it goes wrong I can't easily explore the problem with the help of 
this list.

So do I conclude that ascii's LVM2 isn't capable of handling buster?
Or is it just a problem between ascii's LVM2 and openrc?

Does the upgrade automatically replace the sysv init with openrc?

And at what stage in the upgrade should one or did you upgrade LVM2 to 
avoid trouble?  Immediately after changing the sources.lst to buster?
Or after the kernel has been upgraded too?

-- hendrik

> 
> i also remember dist-upgrade, bringing in libsystemd0 (not sure why),
> but after manual installation of libelogind0 it was gone.
> 
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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 01:01:44PM +0100, r de vreede via Dng wrote:
> Re:[DNG] We need upgrade reports
> 
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:58 PM fsmithred via Dng 
> wrote:
> 
> > Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production
> > system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not
> > the real thing.
> >
> > I've upgraded standard no-X systems, xfce and mate desktops, and those
> > went smoothly. We need more data points.
> >
> > Thanks,
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> 
> I upgraded from Jessie to Ascii to Beowulf and was bitten by this bug
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=924580. Everything else
> works fine so far.

So dovecot acess to ssl is affected by a dovecot cofiguration file change.

Is ssl affected if you are not using dovecot at all?  Is this strictly 
a dovecot problem? 

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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-01 Thread Dimitris via Dng
On 12/31/19 9:58 PM, fsmithred via Dng wrote:
> I've upgraded standard no-X systems

openrc, no-X, task-console-productivity, luks .

dist-upgraded from fresh 2.1 release to beowulf.
got a segmanation fault during openrc configuration on upgrade and
install failed.. no screenshots available, but it had something to do
with lvm2. so, upgraded lvm2 first, and everything else upgraded
smoothly afterwards.

i also remember dist-upgrade, bringing in libsystemd0 (not sure why),
but after manual installation of libelogind0 it was gone.

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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-01 Thread r de vreede via Dng
Re:[DNG] We need upgrade reports

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:58 PM fsmithred via Dng 
wrote:

> Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production
> system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not
> the real thing.
>
> I've upgraded standard no-X systems, xfce and mate desktops, and those
> went smoothly. We need more data points.
>
> Thanks,
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I upgraded from Jessie to Ascii to Beowulf and was bitten by this bug
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=924580. Everything else
works fine so far.
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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-01 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 1 Jan 08:00:22 -0500
 fsmithred via Dng scripsit:
> On 12/31/19 4:49 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > All upgraded since some months, no problems so far.
> > 
> > Nik
> > 
> 
> Was that with kde desktop by any chance? (One less for me to do?)

No, I use TDE (http://trinitydesktop.org) - I droped KDE ages ago when it was 
promoted to 4.X - more clutter, less freedom ..

Nik


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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-01 Thread Haines Brown
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 02:58:10PM -0500, fsmithred via Dng wrote:
> Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production system
> to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not the real
> thing.

Did the upgrade in June ñto Beowuld with fluxbox rather than desktop, 
and subsequently upgraded Beowulf twice. No major problems. The 
following may not be real problems, but thought best to throw them 
out for consideration. I initially had the problem of 
occassionally being unable to close a terminal (mlterm), but no longer.


1. .xsession-errors:

xmodmap:  unable to open file '/home/haines/.Xmodmap' for reading. Why 
no config file?

07:38:37.106 [AWT-EventQueue-0] WARN  net.sf.jabref.JabRefGUI - There 
seem to be problems with OpenJDK and the default GTK Look Using 
Metal L instead. Change to another L with caution.

console.error: itdmanager: 
  error
  Message: TypeError: session.kill.days.failed is not a function

ALSA lib pcm.c:8424:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occurred
ERROR alsa.cc:525 [pause]: snd_pcm_pause failed: Input/output error.
ERROR alsa.cc:525 [pause]: snd_pcm_pause failed: File descriptor in 
bad state.  

2. dmesg errors

[1272146.575622] ata3.00: error: { ICRC ABRT }
[1272147.052672] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#11 Add. Sense: Scsi parity 
error
[1272147.052680] print_req_error: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 292808664
  res 43/84:08:f8:5a:d2/00:00:25:00:00/00 
Emask 0x410 (ATA bus error) 


[4297652.707343] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#19 Add. Sense: Scsi parity 
error
[4297652.707349] print_req_error: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 747789456

3. fetcmail

The new fetchmail 6.4.0 may have problems. It seeks an SSL
certificate and, finding none, breaks the connection. I worked 
around this by inserting the line 'sslproto " ' into
.fetchmailrc.   

4. exim

The file /etc/exim4/passwd.client could not be read by exim. It
was  -rw-r- 1 root saned 653 Oct 29 12:17 passwd.client
and since I'm in saned group, I should be able to read it. I
changed permissions to  -rw-r--r-- to get SMTP authentication.

5. bluetooth

In syslog: Nov 22 06:42:04 engels brltty[724]: DBus error: send 
message: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name 
org.bluez was not provided by any .service file

Solution was to install bluez

6. dmesg

I find that $ sudo sysctl -w kernel.dmesg_restrict=0 enables
user to run dmesg, but my impression this does not survive a reboot. 
Can't reboot now to check. 


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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-01 Thread fsmithred via Dng

On 1/1/20 3:48 AM, R. G. Sidler wrote:


Hi fsmithred,

where would you like those upgrade reports sent to?

Sincerely


R. G. Sidler



I guess this list is best; then we can compare notes.

Thanks.
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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-01 Thread fsmithred via Dng

On 12/31/19 4:49 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

All upgraded since some months, no problems so far.

Nik



Was that with kde desktop by any chance? (One less for me to do?)

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[DNG] We need upgrade reports

2020-01-01 Thread R. G. Sidler

Hi fsmithred,

where would you like those upgrade reports sent to?

Sincerely


R. G. Sidler

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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2019-12-31 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2019 Tue, 31 Dec 14:58:10 -0500
 fsmithred via Dng scripsit:
> Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production 
> system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not 
> the real thing.
> 
> I've upgraded standard no-X systems, xfce and mate desktops, and those 
> went smoothly. We need more data points.
> 
> Thanks,
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All upgraded since some months, no problems so far.

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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports

2019-12-31 Thread lpb+devuan
I have three laptops I upgraded from Ascii to Beowulf over the summer.
They are "production" in the sense that I use them every day. They use
XFCE as the DE. I am very happy with beowulf on these systems.

On 12/31/19 1:58 PM, fsmithred via Dng wrote:
> Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production
> system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not
> the real thing.
> 
> I've upgraded standard no-X systems, xfce and mate desktops, and those
> went smoothly. We need more data points.
> 
> Thanks,
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[DNG] We need upgrade reports

2019-12-31 Thread fsmithred via Dng
Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production 
system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not 
the real thing.


I've upgraded standard no-X systems, xfce and mate desktops, and those 
went smoothly. We need more data points.


Thanks,
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