Re: [DNG] X11: safe to remove?
> On 5 Oct 2020, at 04:23, tempforever via Dng wrote: > > Thanks for all of your responses. I did successfully remove it, with no > ill side effects to be seen so far. In my particular case, I don't use > java, or, apparently, other things that depended on X11. Not sure it > was actually necessary to remove (it wasn't) but at the very least I did > free up a little bit of disk space. :-) If in doubt next time, you can pass the “-s” argument to apt/apt-get to simulate what would happen and which packages get removed without actually removing anything. You can then inspect the all packages to be removed to ensure you don’t need any of them. If all looks ok then you run the remove/purge again without “-s” to do the actual removal. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] X11: safe to remove?
Thanks for all of your responses. I did successfully remove it, with no ill side effects to be seen so far. In my particular case, I don't use java, or, apparently, other things that depended on X11. Not sure it was actually necessary to remove (it wasn't) but at the very least I did free up a little bit of disk space. :-) Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting wirelessduck--- via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): >>> On 3 Oct 2020, at 00:12, Dimitri Minaev via Dng wrote: >> >>> Because of Swing, I suppose. Java allows one to create GUI apps, >>> too. >> >> The headless jre package also has X11 dependencies. > > Though I'm certainly aboard for avoiding and eliminating bloat, I'll > point out that running selected X11 executables from a headless host, > e.g., tunneled over 'ssh -Y' to a remote X server, is a very, very > standard use case. This of course includes Java bytecode that makes > X11 calls. > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] X11: safe to remove?
Quoting wirelessduck--- via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > > On 3 Oct 2020, at 00:12, Dimitri Minaev via Dng wrote: > > > Because of Swing, I suppose. Java allows one to create GUI apps, > > too. > > The headless jre package also has X11 dependencies. Though I'm certainly aboard for avoiding and eliminating bloat, I'll point out that running selected X11 executables from a headless host, e.g., tunneled over 'ssh -Y' to a remote X server, is a very, very standard use case. This of course includes Java bytecode that makes X11 calls. -- Cheers, "2020 is pulling out more plot devices than Rick Moen a TV series on the brink of being canceled." r...@linuxmafia.com (Seen on Reddit, Oct. 2, 2020.) McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] X11: safe to remove?
> On 3 Oct 2020, at 00:12, Dimitri Minaev via Dng wrote: > > > Because of Swing, I suppose. Java allows one to create GUI apps, too. The headless jre package also has X11 dependencies. > >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 6:38 AM Steve Litt wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:29:51 +0400 >> Dimitri Minaev via Dng wrote: >> >> > JVM often depends on X11 libs. >> >> I wonder why. >> >> SteveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] X11: safe to remove?
Because of Swing, I suppose. Java allows one to create GUI apps, too. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 6:38 AM Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:29:51 +0400 > Dimitri Minaev via Dng wrote: > > > JVM often depends on X11 libs. > > I wonder why. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- With best regards, Dimitri Minaev ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] X11: safe to remove?
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:29:51 +0400 Dimitri Minaev via Dng wrote: > JVM often depends on X11 libs. I wonder why. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] X11: safe to remove?
iirc (seen it in buster upgrades), pinentry-gtk2 / pinentry-gnome3 bring in xauth package, which brings in X11. i would remove pinentry+xauth packages first, then X11 with autoremove - deborphan, and install pinentry-ncurses later, if needed.. 2c, d. On 9/29/20 4:57 AM, tempforever via Dng wrote: I manage a few remote servers that are running Devuan. Recently (last week) I noticed a couple updates to some x11 libraries. I went ahead and updated. But now, I'm wondering if it's okay to remove them altogether? I do not use any graphical user interface on them. I only connect via ssh, and issue text-only commands. I'm a little concerned about just removing these libraries though. The one in particular that I remembered updating was libx11-6. Apparently there is a bit of dependencies on it, and I don't want to break anything. On beowulf: # apt remove libx11-6 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: fontconfig-config fonts-dejavu-core libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-common libdrm-intel1 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm2 libfontconfig1 libfontenc1 libgl1-mesa-dri libglapi-mesa libglvnd0 libice6 libllvm7 libpciaccess0 libsm6 libx11-data libx11-xcb1 libxau6 libxcb-dri2-0 libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-glx0 libxcb-present0 libxcb-shape0 libxcb-sync1 libxcb1 libxdmcp6 libxshmfence1 x11-common Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be REMOVED: libgl1 libglew2.1 libglu1-mesa libglx-mesa0 libglx0 libx11-6 libxaw7 libxcomposite1 libxcursor1 libxdamage1 libxext6 libxfixes3 libxft2 libxi6 libxinerama1 libxmu6 libxmuu1 libxpm4 libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxt6 libxtst6 libxv1 libxxf86dga1 libxxf86vm1 mesa-utils x11-utils x11-xserver-utils xauth 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 29 to remove and 0 not upgraded. After this operation, 8,081 kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n I don't think I should need any font or drm stuff. On ascii, I get a much longer list: # apt remove libx11-6 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service fontconfig fontconfig-config fonts-dejavu-core gconf-service gconf2-common glib-networking glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gsettings-desktop-schemas hicolor-icon-theme libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libblas-common libblas3 libck-connector0 libcolord2 libcroco3 libcups2 libdatrie1 libdconf1 libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm2 libepoxy0 libfontconfig1 libfontenc1 libgbm1 libgck-1-0 libgconf-2-4 libgcr-3-common libgcr-base-3-1 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgfortran3 libgl1-mesa-dri libglapi-mesa libgnome-keyring-common libgnome-keyring0 libgraphite2-3 libgtk-3-common libgtk2.0-common libgtop-2.0-10 libgtop2-common libharfbuzz0b libice6 libjbig0 libjpeg62-turbo libjson-glib-1.0-0 libjson-glib-1.0-common liblapack3 liblcms2-2 libllvm3.9 libpam-gnome-keyring libpango-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0 libpciaccess0 libpixman-1-0 libproxy1v5 libquadmath0 librest-0.7-0 libsecret-1-0 libsecret-common libsm6 libsoup-gnome2.4-1 libsoup2.4-1 libthai-data libthai0 libtiff5 libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 libwayland-client0 libwayland-cursor0 libwayland-server0 libwebp6 libx11-data libx11-xcb1 libxau6 libxcb-dri2-0 libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-glx0 libxcb-present0 libxcb-render0 libxcb-shape0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-sync1 libxcb-util0 libxcb-xfixes0 libxcb1 libxdmcp6 libxkbcommon0 libxshmfence1 p11-kit p11-kit-modules python-numpy x11-common xkb-data Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them. The following additional packages will be installed: elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind pinentry-curses python-urwid wicd-curses Suggested packages: pinentry-doc Recommended packages: policykit-1 The following packages will be REMOVED: adwaita-icon-theme analog at-spi2-core consolekit dbus-x11 gconf2 gcr gksu gnome-keyring gtk-update-icon-cache libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatspi2.0-0 libcairo-gobject2 libcairo2 libegl1-mesa libgail-common libgail18 libgcr-ui-3-1 libgd3 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgksu2-0 libgl1-mesa-glx libglade2-0 libglew2.0 libglu1-mesa libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libnotify4 libpam-ck-connector libpangocairo-1.0-0 libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common libstartup-notification0 libwayland-egl1-mesa libx11-6 libxaw7 libxcomposite1 libxcursor1 libxdamage1 libxext6 libxfixes3 libxft2 libxi6 libxinerama1 libxmu6 libxmuu1 libxpm4 libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxt6 libxtst6 libxv1 libxxf86dga1 libxxf86vm1 mesa-utils notification-daemon pinentry-gnome3 pinentry-gtk2 python-cairo python-glade2 python-gtk2 python-notify wicd-gtk x11-utils x11-xserver-utils xauth The
Re: [DNG] X11: safe to remove?
JVM often depends on X11 libs. вт, 29 сент. 2020 г., 7:49 Gregory Nowak : > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 09:57:07PM -0400, tempforever via Dng wrote: > > I manage a few remote servers that are running Devuan. Recently (last > > week) I noticed a couple updates to some x11 libraries. I went ahead > > and updated. But now, I'm wondering if it's okay to remove them > > altogether? I do not use any graphical user interface on them. I only > > connect via ssh, and issue text-only commands. > > Looks to me like you'd be safe removing these packages. If you can > take a backup beforehand, I'd suggest doing that to be extra safe, but > I don't think you need these if the machine is a text console only > server. > > Greg > > > -- > web site: http://www.gregn.net > gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your > contacts. > > -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] X11: safe to remove?
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 09:57:07PM -0400, tempforever via Dng wrote: > I manage a few remote servers that are running Devuan. Recently (last > week) I noticed a couple updates to some x11 libraries. I went ahead > and updated. But now, I'm wondering if it's okay to remove them > altogether? I do not use any graphical user interface on them. I only > connect via ssh, and issue text-only commands. Looks to me like you'd be safe removing these packages. If you can take a backup beforehand, I'd suggest doing that to be extra safe, but I don't think you need these if the machine is a text console only server. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] X11: safe to remove?
I manage a few remote servers that are running Devuan. Recently (last week) I noticed a couple updates to some x11 libraries. I went ahead and updated. But now, I'm wondering if it's okay to remove them altogether? I do not use any graphical user interface on them. I only connect via ssh, and issue text-only commands. I'm a little concerned about just removing these libraries though. The one in particular that I remembered updating was libx11-6. Apparently there is a bit of dependencies on it, and I don't want to break anything. On beowulf: # apt remove libx11-6 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: fontconfig-config fonts-dejavu-core libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-common libdrm-intel1 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm2 libfontconfig1 libfontenc1 libgl1-mesa-dri libglapi-mesa libglvnd0 libice6 libllvm7 libpciaccess0 libsm6 libx11-data libx11-xcb1 libxau6 libxcb-dri2-0 libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-glx0 libxcb-present0 libxcb-shape0 libxcb-sync1 libxcb1 libxdmcp6 libxshmfence1 x11-common Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be REMOVED: libgl1 libglew2.1 libglu1-mesa libglx-mesa0 libglx0 libx11-6 libxaw7 libxcomposite1 libxcursor1 libxdamage1 libxext6 libxfixes3 libxft2 libxi6 libxinerama1 libxmu6 libxmuu1 libxpm4 libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxt6 libxtst6 libxv1 libxxf86dga1 libxxf86vm1 mesa-utils x11-utils x11-xserver-utils xauth 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 29 to remove and 0 not upgraded. After this operation, 8,081 kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n I don't think I should need any font or drm stuff. On ascii, I get a much longer list: # apt remove libx11-6 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service fontconfig fontconfig-config fonts-dejavu-core gconf-service gconf2-common glib-networking glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gsettings-desktop-schemas hicolor-icon-theme libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libblas-common libblas3 libck-connector0 libcolord2 libcroco3 libcups2 libdatrie1 libdconf1 libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm2 libepoxy0 libfontconfig1 libfontenc1 libgbm1 libgck-1-0 libgconf-2-4 libgcr-3-common libgcr-base-3-1 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgfortran3 libgl1-mesa-dri libglapi-mesa libgnome-keyring-common libgnome-keyring0 libgraphite2-3 libgtk-3-common libgtk2.0-common libgtop-2.0-10 libgtop2-common libharfbuzz0b libice6 libjbig0 libjpeg62-turbo libjson-glib-1.0-0 libjson-glib-1.0-common liblapack3 liblcms2-2 libllvm3.9 libpam-gnome-keyring libpango-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0 libpciaccess0 libpixman-1-0 libproxy1v5 libquadmath0 librest-0.7-0 libsecret-1-0 libsecret-common libsm6 libsoup-gnome2.4-1 libsoup2.4-1 libthai-data libthai0 libtiff5 libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 libwayland-client0 libwayland-cursor0 libwayland-server0 libwebp6 libx11-data libx11-xcb1 libxau6 libxcb-dri2-0 libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-glx0 libxcb-present0 libxcb-render0 libxcb-shape0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-sync1 libxcb-util0 libxcb-xfixes0 libxcb1 libxdmcp6 libxkbcommon0 libxshmfence1 p11-kit p11-kit-modules python-numpy x11-common xkb-data Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them. The following additional packages will be installed: elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind pinentry-curses python-urwid wicd-curses Suggested packages: pinentry-doc Recommended packages: policykit-1 The following packages will be REMOVED: adwaita-icon-theme analog at-spi2-core consolekit dbus-x11 gconf2 gcr gksu gnome-keyring gtk-update-icon-cache libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatspi2.0-0 libcairo-gobject2 libcairo2 libegl1-mesa libgail-common libgail18 libgcr-ui-3-1 libgd3 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgksu2-0 libgl1-mesa-glx libglade2-0 libglew2.0 libglu1-mesa libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libnotify4 libpam-ck-connector libpangocairo-1.0-0 libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common libstartup-notification0 libwayland-egl1-mesa libx11-6 libxaw7 libxcomposite1 libxcursor1 libxdamage1 libxext6 libxfixes3 libxft2 libxi6 libxinerama1 libxmu6 libxmuu1 libxpm4 libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxt6 libxtst6 libxv1 libxxf86dga1 libxxf86vm1 mesa-utils notification-daemon pinentry-gnome3 pinentry-gtk2 python-cairo python-glade2 python-gtk2 python-notify wicd-gtk x11-utils x11-xserver-utils xauth The following NEW packages will be installed: elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind pinentry-curses python-urwid wicd-curses 0 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 71 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 1,632 kB of archives. After this operation, 68.8 MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n If it were something local
