Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On 28/08/17 01:03, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 06:51:24 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) Very nice! I

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 06:51:24 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: > I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no > pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) Very nice! > > I installed eudev Did you install eudev

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 12:41:49 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 10:36:16AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> So, this is again an advice that should be obvious for anyone, bold >> enough to delete parts of the file system, that can result in system >>

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

Den 26/08/2017 18:41, skrev Hendrik Boom: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 10:36:16AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> There is a betwitched command, tar, that can be used to create >> archives of any directory. So, the obvious action to me is, make a >> tar.gz archive before deleting any system

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 10:36:16AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > So, this is again an advice that should be obvious for anyone, bold > enough to delete parts of the file system, that can result in system > breakage. > > There is a betwitched command, tar, that can be used to create > archives of

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

Edward Bartolo [2017-08-26 10:36]: > So, this is again an advice that should be obvious for anyone, bold > enough to delete parts of the file system, that can result in system > breakage. > > There is a betwitched command, tar, that can be used to create > archives of any directory. So, the

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On 26/08/17 09:05, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: Svante Signell wrote on 26/08/17 16:57: On Sat, 2017-08-26 at 06:51 +0100, Dave Turner wrote: I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) I installed eudev

[DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

So, this is again an advice that should be obvious for anyone, bold enough to delete parts of the file system, that can result in system breakage. There is a betwitched command, tar, that can be used to create archives of any directory. So, the obvious action to me is, make a tar.gz archive

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

Svante Signell wrote on 26/08/17 16:57: On Sat, 2017-08-26 at 06:51 +0100, Dave Turner wrote: I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) I installed eudev and then I deleted /etc/init.d/udev and

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On Sat, 2017-08-26 at 06:51 +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > > I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no > pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) > I installed eudev and then I deleted /etc/init.d/udev and rebooted. ... > udev is gone and is

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

Dave Turner wrote: > I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no > pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) > I installed eudev and then I deleted /etc/init.d/udev and rebooted. That's great. > I can cope with twm and I really like ctwm so I

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On 19/08/17 16:46, Dave Turner wrote: On 18/08/17 18:45, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:36:12 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: On 18/08/17 00:22, Joel Roth wrote: deleted /lib/udev and all the sub-directories With eudev I have a working keyboard

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 20-08-17 00:48, Svante Signell wrote: On Sat, 2017-08-19 at 17:23 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Svante, I replied to Dave's email, not to yours. I did not remove any quoted text purportedly from you. I did not respond to your response to Dave. Yes, I saw that you replied to his mail, yes. And I

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On Sat, 2017-08-19 at 17:23 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Svante, I replied to Dave's email, not to yours. I did not remove any > quoted text purportedly from you. I did not respond to your response > to Dave. Yes, I saw that you replied to his mail, yes. And I did not say that you removed any

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:48:56 +0200 Svante Signell wrote: > On Sat, 2017-08-19 at 08:05 +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > On 18/08/2017 at 23:25, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dave, did you see my mail about interfaces being renamed? This > > > one > > > from

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 18/08/17 18:45, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:36:12 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: On 18/08/17 00:22, Joel Roth wrote: deleted /lib/udev and all the sub-directories With eudev I have a working keyboard so today I went in and removed

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On Sat, 2017-08-19 at 08:05 +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 18/08/2017 at 23:25, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > Hi Dave, did you see my mail about interfaces being renamed? This > > one > > from Steve is just adding some more info to the issue, but does not > > quote my message. Bad karma

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 18/08/2017 at 23:25, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 13:45 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:36:12 +0100 >> Dave Turner wrote: >> >>> On 18/08/17 00:22, Joel Roth wrote: deleted /lib/udev and all the sub-directories

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 13:45 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:36:12 +0100 > Dave Turner wrote: > > > On 18/08/17 00:22, Joel Roth wrote: > > > deleted /lib/udev and all the sub-directories   > > > > With eudev I have a working keyboard

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 16:36 +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > On 18/08/17 00:22, Joel Roth wrote: > > deleted /lib/udev and all the sub-directories > > With eudev I have a working keyboard so today I went in and removed  > /etc/systemd/* . Re-booted and I still have a working keyboard but > no  >

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 18/08/17 00:22, Joel Roth wrote: deleted /lib/udev and all the sub-directories With eudev I have a working keyboard so today I went in and removed /etc/systemd/* . Re-booted and I still have a working keyboard but no network connection! I fear I will have to go through /etc/init.d and

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:34:06PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > On 17/08/17 21:13, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 08:17:56PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > > > Having a bottle of wine before I start the devuan-jessie install and the > > > systemd purge... > > > > > > (hey, I need a

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

Dave wrote: > I deleted /lib/udev and all the sub-directories - I'm running eudev right? > What could possibly go wrong? Still works, but whatever it is that sets the > font size is now broken, the font is huge! I suppose 'something' now thinks > the display is an old 640 x 380. Please keep

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 17/08/17 22:34, Dave Turner wrote: On 17/08/17 21:13, Adam Borowski wrote: On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 08:17:56PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: Thanks Joel, but I have my 'killing head' on. _ANYTHING_ on wheezy that dares to mention systemd is gone. Still works. Having a bottle of wine before I

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 17/08/17 21:13, Adam Borowski wrote: On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 08:17:56PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: Thanks Joel, but I have my 'killing head' on. _ANYTHING_ on wheezy that dares to mention systemd is gone. Still works. Having a bottle of wine before I start the devuan-jessie install and the

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 08:17:56PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > Thanks Joel, but I have my 'killing head' on. _ANYTHING_ on wheezy that > dares to mention systemd is gone. Still works. > > Having a bottle of wine before I start the devuan-jessie install and the > systemd purge... > > (hey, I need

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 17/08/17 08:46, Joel Roth wrote: Dave Turner wrote: I have boot from a debian 6 squeeze CD, anything later refuses to boot the iMac. (Fedora has failed since fedora 13, Tinycore linux boots, Slackware boots) Then I do a dist-upgrade to wheezy, that takes it straight to 7.11 which has the

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

Dave Turner wrote: > I have boot from a debian 6 squeeze CD, anything later refuses to boot the > iMac. (Fedora has failed since fedora 13, Tinycore linux boots, Slackware > boots) Then I do a dist-upgrade to wheezy, that takes it straight to 7.11 > which has the beginnings of systemd in it. > >

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

On 08/16/2017 02:36 AM, Dave Turner wrote: > On 16/08/17 00:39, Joel Roth wrote: >> Further, I don't have libsystemd0 installed on my system at >> all, although there are some config files hanging around in /etc. >> >> dpkg -l libsystemd0 >> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold >> | >>

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

Further, I don't have libsystemd0 installed on my system at all, although there are some config files hanging around in /etc. dpkg -l libsystemd0 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

Dave Turner wrote: > I'm running a very minimal install of devuan ascii on my old Apple iMac. > > I have never been able to get sound working on the iMac using any > linux distro unless pulseaudio was installed. Hi Dave, AFAIK pulseaudio uses ALSA and ALSA drivers to communicate with the

[DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

I'm running a very minimal install of devuan ascii on my old Apple iMac. Using xdm to login, twm as the window manager, and xfe for file management. Then dillo and Firefox for web-browsing. Aptitude shows that libsystemd0 is still there but pulseaudio etc depend on it and I have never been