Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:31:35 +0200, aitor_czr wrote in message : > Hi Hendrik, > > On 04/11/2017 12:17 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > What is the status of vdev? Is it packages and inthe repositories > > yet? Is it too

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Il 13/04/2017 16:55, Rick Moen ha scritto: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> This is what can be logically inferred from what you wrote. > No. Yep. > I'm sorry this conversation was not fruitful, which as mentioned is why I have > disengaged. Have a great day.

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > This is what can be logically inferred from what you wrote. No. I'm sorry this conversation was not fruitful, which as mentioned is why I have disengaged. Have a great day. ___ Dng mailing

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 at 14:18:34 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> As sudo can be made to operate either requiring the user to type his >> own password or no password, stating (now) that just "a particular usage >> model" of

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Hi KatolaZ, ... and sorry for my delay... On 04/11/2017 02:00 PM, KatolaZ wrote: Thanks aitor. It would be great to have vdev in ascii, innit? Yes, it should be added in asci/ceres, not in jessie. Do you think it might be possible to try building the vdev package

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > As sudo can be made to operate either requiring the user to type his > own password or no password, stating (now) that just "a particular usage > model" of sudo constiutes a proxy for the superuser's password can only > refer to the case

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Il 12/04/2017 03:32, Rick Moen ha scritto: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> I argued against the assertion by Rick Moen that sudo constitutes "a >> proxy for the root password"... > I did not so state. > > I characterised a particular usage model of sudo as such. As

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > I argued against the assertion by Rick Moen that sudo constitutes "a > proxy for the root password"... I did not so state. I characterised a particular usage model of sudo as such. As for the rest, if it's not apparent to you that letting

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On 04/11/2017 01:27 AM, aitor_czr wrote: As i can see, lines like: As I can see, your version needs one more patch :) *** --- /media/dragan/TRIOS/TMP/Aitor/gvfs-master-64caae2fe2bdd1aeb2d65cdcdb326f170718eb2a/debian/control +++ /media/dragan/TRIOS/TMP/Adam/gvfs-1.22.2/debian/control @@

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:55:37PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > OK, but you would agree that, if you find yourself in such an > "unprotected enviroment", there is not much difference between typing > the root password and typing the password of a user who can become > root by "sudo su". This is

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 at 12:55:37 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 01:34:19PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > [cut] > > > One cannot avoid using at least once his own password at the start of > > the session, so this password cannot be completely secured

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 01:34:19PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: [cut] > One cannot avoid using at least once his own password at the start of the > session, so this password cannot be completely secured when operating in an > open or unprotected environment. If need arises to perform, in

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 at 07:13:36 +0100 Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Am Mo den 10. Apr 2017 um 22:09 schrieb Alessandro Selli: > > You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password. > > Using root password

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Il giorno Tue, 11 Apr 2017 05:28:29 +0200 marc ha scritto: > > You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password. > > Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more > > times you type it the higher the chances are it will be

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Il giorno Mon, 10 Apr 2017 15:17:46 -0700 Rick Moen ha scritto: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > > > IMO, using root's password in those same cases is the worst possible > > password use case. One thing is your non-privileged user's password > >

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:31:35AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: [cut] > > Now, the priority are the manpages. You can read more here: > > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=43 > > Recently i tried to run a devuan vanilla with vdev and a 4.x kernel, and it > didn't work (in live mode) because

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mo den 10. Apr 2017 um 22:09 schrieb Alessandro Selli: > You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password. > Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more > times you type it the higher the

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:28 PM, marc wrote: > > You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password. > > Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more > > times you type it the higher the chances are it will be captured) and it

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

> You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password. > Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more > times you type it the higher the chances are it will be captured) and it > instills the desire of an easy to remember and fast to type password.

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Hi Dragan, On 04/11/2017 12:17 AM, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 04/10/2017 01:19 PM, aitor_czr wrote: I removed the dependency on *libsystemd0*: gvfs (1.22.2-1.0nosystemd1) nosystemd; urgency=medium * Non-maintainer upload. * Cure systemd infestation. --

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > IMO, using root's password in those same cases is the worst possible > password use case. One thing is your non-privileged user's password > being captured when you mount an external drive, a different thing is > giving away root's

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On 10/04/2017 at 23:43, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password. >> Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more >> times you type it the higher the chances are

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password. > Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more > times you type it the higher the chances are it will be captured) and it > instills the

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:09:44PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: [cut] > > You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password. > Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more > times you type it the higher the chances are it will be captured) and

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Il 10/04/2017 02:25, Rick Moen ha scritto: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > >> I think I know why, but I'll ask you anyway. Why don't you just put >> mount in /etc/sudoers and make it not require a password? > IMO, mounting / umounting is a sensitive operation (which is why Unix

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On 04/10/2017 01:19 PM, aitor_czr wrote: I removed the dependency on *libsystemd0*: gvfs (1.22.2-1.0nosystemd1) nosystemd; urgency=medium * Non-maintainer upload. * Cure systemd infestation. -- Adam Borowski Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:28:04 +0100

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 03:27:22PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > and udisks works without udev and libsystemd0... thanks to vdev :) What is the status of vdev? Is it packages and inthe repositories yet? Is it too much to hope it;s available in jessie? -- hendrik

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Hi KatolaZ, On 04/10/2017 01:37 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 01:19:00PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: [cut] I still don't know the reason for using the 1.26.2 upstream version of gvfs in devuan. The version in debian jessie is 1.22.2, and we*should* mantain

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 01:19:00PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: [cut] > > I still don't know the reason for using the 1.26.2 upstream version of gvfs > in devuan. The version in debian jessie is 1.22.2, and we *should* mantain > the same one in devuan, which is that i used. I talked about this

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Hi Joachim, On 04/10/2017 01:04 AM, Joachim Fahrner wrote: Hi, how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to user mount external drives without gvfs? Jochen I removed the dependency on

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Am 2017-04-10 00:39, schrieb Daniel Abrecht: I think automatically mounting thumb drives is very different from mounting them when I klick on them in my file manager. Things like automatically mounting removable medias or even auto starting applications, I don't want that. I also don't like

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I think I know why, but I'll ask you anyway. Why don't you just put > mount in /etc/sudoers and make it not require a password? IMO, mounting / umounting is a sensitive operation (which is why Unix makes it be that way, unless you screw with it)

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 10:39:28PM +, Daniel Abrecht wrote: > On 04/09/2017 08:01 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sun, 09 Apr 2017 08:24:15 +0200 > > Joachim Fahrner wrote: > >> without gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives > > > > Somewhere back in the archives I

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 17:01:21 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Joachim Fahrner (j...@fahrner.name): > > > Hi, > > how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without > > gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. > > > Is there a way to user mount

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Quoting Joachim Fahrner (j...@fahrner.name): > Hi, > how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without > gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. > Is there a way to user mount external drives without gvfs? My way of mounting external drives: $ tail /var/log/dmesg #

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 22:39:28 + Daniel Abrecht wrote: > On 04/09/2017 08:01 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sun, 09 Apr 2017 08:24:15 +0200 > > Joachim Fahrner wrote: > >> without gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives > > > > Somewhere back

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On 04/09/2017 02:24 AM, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > Hi, > how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without gvfs > PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to user mount > external drives without gvfs? > > Jochen > > PCmanFM mounts external usb drives for me

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On 04/09/2017 08:01 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 09 Apr 2017 08:24:15 +0200 > Joachim Fahrner wrote: >> without gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives > > Somewhere back in the archives I submitted a shellscript to > automatically mount thumb drives without a file

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Sun, 09 Apr 2017 08:24:15 +0200 Joachim Fahrner wrote: > Hi, > how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without > gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to > user mount external drives without gvfs? > > Jochen Somewhere back in

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 12:58:27PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > > Thanks for that hint. SpaceFM in conjunction with udevil is great. So I can > get rid of this ugly gvfs. gfvs is broken by design, because it creates a > ~/.gvfs directory which is not accessible by root. So every backup tool >

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Am 2017-04-09 10:43, schrieb Florian Zieboll: I use spacefm. With some config-tweaking it is a perfect (and much more flexible) replacement for pcmanfm and alike: Thanks for that hint. SpaceFM in conjunction with udevil is great. So I can get rid of this ugly gvfs. gfvs is broken by design,

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sun, 09 Apr 2017 08:24:15 +0200 Joachim Fahrner wrote: > Hi, > how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without > gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to > user mount external

[DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Hi, how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to user mount external drives without gvfs? Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org