Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:26:46 -0700, Bruce wrote in message

Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

2017-06-27 Thread Bruce Perens
I don't have a list. If you'd like to help with software patents, that would be nice, as none of the organizations that purportedly support Linux do. Linux Foundation is an infringer's club. Open Invention Network protects patents from Linux, not the other way around. On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at

Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

2017-06-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:57:33 -0700, Bruce wrote in message : > Steve, > > Well, I've fought bigger dragons than this and won. ..ok, link to your list of Microsoft's alleged 235 patents they said we infringed upon in Utah

Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

2017-06-27 Thread Bruce Perens
Steve, Well, I've fought bigger dragons than this and won. And while there are paid developers working on SystemD, I have not yet seen technical evidence that they spend any time at all on obfuscation. APIs change, but for technical purposes, and they don't all change at once. Real programmers

Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

2017-06-27 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-06-27 16:02, schrieb Steve Litt: I know if I were a real programmer... real programmers can write Fortran programs in ANY language ;-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

2017-06-27 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 21:30:39 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Hendrik Boom > wrote: > > The point is that that proposed libsystemd0 would *not* be an init > > system, and it would still enable software that was written

Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

2017-06-26 Thread Bruce Perens
I really dare any "cabal" to change both the specs and the *clients *in a way I can't keep up with. There are enough clients. No real programmer would worry about something like this. This is getting silly. On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon,

[DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

2017-06-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 12:15:17PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 12:08:47PM +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl > wrote: ... ... > > Expanding to that we can even make a libsystemd0 that actually works with > > any init system (except systemd) for all relevant init parts and