Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-21 Thread T.J. Duchene
Just my 2 cents on the whole issue of UEFI and Grub...Everyone should take the time to learn what UEFI is and how it works. The time and headaches you save later are worth it. 1. Not all versions of UEFI are created equal. If you have never used UEFI, I seriously suggest that you find out if

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-20 Thread Gravis
thanks for the info, Adam. i'll be sure to test it though that's about all that can be done for the first release. -Gravis On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:21:56AM -0500, Gravis wrote: after that i dont know but we would need

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-20 Thread Gravis
Just to clear up the EFI misconception, Debian can be installed on EFI computers. it's my understanding that EFI is actually a deprecated precursor to UEFI. from wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface): Intel developed the original EFI (Extensible

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-20 Thread rlfrost
The shorthand is mine. I apologize for that. The computers I cite are UEFI computers. Debian installs fine. It is the boot issue that needs to be addressed. I think my point is that Devuan will not have to do anything to address this issue. Sorry for any confusion. RLFrost Just to

[Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Robert Storey
Gravis said: the first release will be almost the same as debian with the exception of packages needing systemd. after that i dont know but we would need hardware to test on to make any direct changes. Hi Gravis. Yes, that's kind of what I figured. I'll do a little more exploring on the

[Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Robert Storey
Steve Litt said: I've heard anecdotes of the UEFI system writing to persistant memory on the motherboard in a way that an app misusing UEFI could brick the motherboard. Therefore, the only time I use UEFI is when I absolutely must have Windows on the laptop, and the Windows that came on the

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Gravis
the first release will be almost the same as debian with the exception of packages needing systemd. after that i dont know but we would need hardware to test on to make any direct changes. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone. This is my

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:36:42 +0800 Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote: I encountered an issue which hasn't been discussed here yet: support for UEFI boot (as opposed to BIOS) and a hard disk partitioned as GPT (as opposed to MBR). [snip] Anyway, today I decided that it was about

[Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Robert Storey
Hello everyone. This is my first post, though I've been lurking on the mailing list for awhile. Until now I've been content to shut up and let more knowledgeable folks discuss the technical details, but today I encountered an issue which hasn't been discussed here yet: support for UEFI boot (as

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:21:56AM -0500, Gravis wrote: after that i dont know but we would need hardware to test on to make any direct changes. While for comprehensive testing you need an array of real hardware (as quirks vary wildly), for basic tests you can use VMs: * virtualbox: just click