Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 07:29:02PM +0100, Tomasz Kundera wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:26 PM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: To be honest, I think there is no final solution to this issue, unless you opt for a completely centralised (and nazist, in a good way) package

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-15 Thread Tomasz Kundera
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:26 PM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: To be honest, I think there is no final solution to this issue, unless you opt for a completely centralised (and nazist, in a good way) package maintenance policy, which leaves the decision on Depends, Recommends and

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-15 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, KatolaZ. Спасибо за ответ, Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:52:39 +, вы писали: Well, unfortunately there is currently no clear-cut about Recommends. In most of the cases a package will work fine 99.99% of the times even if you don't have the Recommends installed (as in the

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-15 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:59:55PM +0700, Ста Деюс wrote: Доброго времени суток, KatolaZ. Спасибо за ответ, Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:52:39 +, вы писали: Well, unfortunately there is currently no clear-cut about Recommends. In most of the cases a package will work fine 99.99% of the

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-14 Thread hellekin
On 01/14/2015 07:52 AM, KatolaZ wrote: in some of the cases a Recommend is simply unnecessary (like exim4 recommended by mutt) *** This sounds like a misuse. It should be Suggests. I get the logic of recommending an SMTP server for a mail client, but there are many different implementations

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-14 Thread Tomasz Kundera
* Recommends: The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations The question is what should be the default behaviour. At least in the minimal installation the default should be No, don't install Recommends. It was a default

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:11:24AM +0100, Tomasz Kundera wrote: * Recommends: The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations The question is what should be the default behaviour. At least in the minimal installation

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-13 Thread Joel Roth
cyteen wrote: I was wondering about the policy of some packagers to use depends rather than recommends in a case where an upstream source has added support for, but not a reliance on, some service. I can understand that a build-dep on the dev package would be seem desirable but in the case of

[Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-13 Thread cyteen
I was wondering about the policy of some packagers to use depends rather than recommends in a case where an upstream source has added support for, but not a reliance on, some service. I can understand that a build-dep on the dev package would be seem desirable but in the case of pulseaudio and

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-13 Thread Noel Torres
On Tuesday, 13 de January de 2015 20:25:25 hellekin escribió: On 01/13/2015 02:23 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Also, I recall that in a default Debian install, recommended packages are pulled in by default. A setting change makes it possible to only pull in the package dependencies. *** Are you