Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2018-02-14 11:47, schrieb Didier Kryn:     After the upgrade, the shutdown and reboot buttons in xfce just do the same as the button to terminate the session. No way to shutdown/reboot other than loging in as root. Looks like the same problem I had. If you have libpolkit-backend-systemd and

Re: [DNG] mount the USB memories in Ascii

2018-02-14 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2018-02-14 14:29, schrieb Ismael L. Donis Garcia: > What should I configure so that a normal user can mount the USB memories? See Irrwahns mail "IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade."___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 14/02/2018 à 13:37, Irrwahn a écrit : PLEASE NOTE: The following only applies to already existing ASCII systems that got upgraded to the newest package versions as present in the repositories. Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. TL;DR - Make sure you

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
Happy VUAlentine's Day, Devuan! :) May you manifold and spread all the love that dedicated people put into you! Urban -- Sapere aude! Veteran Unix Admins wrote on 14.02.2018 10:48: > > Dear dev1rs > > the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Stefan Mark
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100 Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:** > http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii > 404 :) I think its https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/ pgpwVqrDSE6Ak.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Veteran Unix Admins
Dear dev1rs the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2]. That was the beginning of our collective

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Didier Kryn
    Just updated/upgraded my Devuan-ASCII after the announce, using Synaptic.     Process was dodgy: some policykit packages had to be removed *before* upgrading task-desktop. Doing all at once would mark packages as broken.     After the upgrade, the shutdown and reboot buttons in xfce

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
Stefan Mark wrote on 14.02.2018 10:55: > On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100 > Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > >> **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:** >> http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii >> > 404 :) > I think its https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/ Yes. 8^) And @all:

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:55:46AM +0100, Stefan Mark wrote: > On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100 > Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > > **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:** > > http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii > > > 404 :) > I think its

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2018-02-14 15:06, schrieb Didier Kryn:     If elogind is to be Devuan's default, then, for consistency, another DM than slim should be the default, and task-xfce-desktop should be modified acordingly. There is no default, you can use what you want (consolekit/elogind). Since lightdm does

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread leloft
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:37:46 +0100 Irrwahn wrote: > It would appear that under certain circumstances an unsuitable > flavor of libpolkit-backend-1-0- gets pulled in upon upgrade. > This can lead to a temporary loss of desktop session related > functionality, namely the

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 14/02/2018 à 15:32, Irrwahn a écrit : Removing consolekit isn't mandatory, but yes, in doing so one causes same breakage just as you described.     Sure it is possible to have both Consolekit and Elogind, but can they be both active?             Didier

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
leloft wrote on 14.02.2018 15:46: [...] > I do not know anything like enough to do anything more than comment, but > does the above indicate that the *-backend-systemd is being pulled in > as a result of an unhelpful dependency chain. And why does the > installation of

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2018-02-14 17:05, schrieb Didier Kryn: Everything works fine, except slim has lost its beautifull background. Now its background is just grey. Yout /etc/slim.conf should have a line current_theme desktop-slim-theme And the theme files are in package desktop-base.

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 14/02/2018 à 16:21, Irrwahn a écrit :     Sure it is possible to have both Consolekit and Elogind, but can they be both active?             Didier Yes. Oh, how I would know, you might ask. Well, for a start, I'm typing this message on a desktop machine where it's the case.:) As I

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Chillfan
Very nice and well done, the new installer presets leave us spoilt for choice.. openrc and a bunch of desktops to choose from.. great stuff. chillfan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
Didier Kryn wrote on 14.02.2018 15:54: > Le 14/02/2018 à 15:32, Irrwahn a écrit : >> Removing consolekit isn't mandatory, but yes, in doing so one causes >> same breakage just as you described. > >     Sure it is possible to have both Consolekit and Elogind, but can > they be both active? > >

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
Didier Kryn wrote on 14.02.2018 15:06: > Le 14/02/2018 à 13:37, Irrwahn a écrit : [...] >> 1. Make sure you have at least one of (traditional) consolekit or (new) >> elogind installed. (Note: You can have both installed and active; which >> one is actually used however is decided by which

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Hleb Valoshka
On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: > Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd policykit backend was pulled. ___ Dng mailing list

[DNG] Xfce 4.12 broken with Zaphod heads mode

2018-02-14 Thread Nate Bargmann
Congrats on the release of ASCII beta today. In my testing, I am finding that Xfce 4.12 no longer appears capable of working nicely with my Xorg Zphod heads mode setup. I do have the separate screens and desktops and panels for each, but when I launch an Xfce Terminal on Screen 1, it is opened

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
Didier Kryn wrote on 14.02.2018 17:05: > Le 14/02/2018 à 16:21, Irrwahn a écrit : [...] >> Just go ahead, have your session management of the day!;-P > >     Did that, I reinstalled slim and made it the DM in charge. > Everything works fine, except slim has lost its beautifull background. >

[DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
PLEASE NOTE: The following only applies to already existing ASCII systems that got upgraded to the newest package versions as present in the repositories. Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. TL;DR - Make sure you got the correct libpolkit-backend

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 21:54: > On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: > Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd policykit backend was pulled. >>> That's a first

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Hleb Valoshka
On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. >>> Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd >>> policykit backend was pulled. >> That's a first AFAICT. Noted. Thanks, Hleb! :) >> Oh, you

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote on 14.02.2018 21:35: [...] > On my system it tried to pull in libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd. The reason > was aptitude: "twin-trinity" (which is installed) provides > "x-display-manager" was ignored, instead aptitude resolved by some obscure > reason that the not

[DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586

2018-02-14 Thread Alexander Bochmann
Ran into this when trying to move an old box with a Via C3 CPU from Debian jessie (last release to support i586) to Devuan jessie: System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub. Don't think there's any use putting work into fixing that, just mentioning it here before anyone else tries

Re: [DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56: > Ran into this when trying to move an old box with a Via C3 CPU > from Debian jessie (last release to support i586) to Devuan jessie: > System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub. [...] Now that is particularly odd, as grub is not among

Re: [DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586

2018-02-14 Thread Alexander Bochmann
...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09:17PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: > Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56: > > System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub. > Now that is particularly odd, as grub is not among the packages > that were forked by Devuan but rather is merged from

Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?

2018-02-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:24:27PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote: > devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever > been the same? > They are the same machine and always have been (since late September or early October 2017, more or less). The rewrites on pkgmaster are

Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?

2018-02-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:24:27PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote: [cut] > > PS3 Maybe irrelevant, but could ascii exacerbate some problems as going > from jessie to ascii packages may have a lower number version in ascii than > in jessie, which makes the installation different than if it was a

[DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P

2018-02-14 Thread KatolaZ
Dear Dev1rs, we know that many of us are experiencing enormous ETAs on downloading ASCII Beta images from http://files.devuan.org The reason is that we just didn't expect so many people were waiting for ASCII to come out. Here is a snaphot of the MRTG from one of Devuan's servers in the last 20

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 schrieb Irrwahn: > Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 19:20: > > On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: > > > >> Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. > > > > Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 19:20: > On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: > >> Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. > > Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd > policykit backend was pulled. That's a first AFAICT.

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Irrwahn
Irrwahn wrote on 14.02.2018 19:46: > Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 19:20: >> On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: >> >>> Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. >> >> Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd >> policykit

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100 Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > Dear dev1rs > > the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release > of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins > declared

Re: [DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P

2018-02-14 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:54:35 + KatolaZ wrote: > we know that many of us are experiencing enormous ETAs on downloading > ASCII Beta images from http://files.devuan.org > > The reason is that we just didn't expect so many people were waiting > for ASCII to come out. Here

Re: [DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586

2018-02-14 Thread Alexander Bochmann
...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27:32PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote: > Ok, currently reinstalling Debian, and then I'll try again WTF - installing from the latest Debian live CD (8.10.5-20180118), the same thing happens... How did this ever work? Sorry for the false alarm. Alex.

Re: [DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P

2018-02-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 06:50:49PM -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: [cut] > > > > Well, it seems that they are right in saying that love can be > > "suffocating", at times :D > > > > In the meanwhile, the best way to get ASCII beta images as soon as > > possible is to back off for a few

Re: [DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586

2018-02-14 Thread Andreas Messer
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27:32PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote: > ...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09:17PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: > > > Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56: > > > System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub. > > Now that is particularly odd, as grub is not

Re: [DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P

2018-02-14 Thread Simon Hobson
KatolaZ wrote: >> Why not offer a BittTrrent download ? > > Because it's a Beta. The stable will obviously have a torrent. Perhaps I'm missing something, but why does being a beta preclude offering a torrent ? It looks like it would have made a huge difference to

[DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?

2018-02-14 Thread Fungal-net
devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same? The reason I am asking is in the past couple of months I witnessed ups and downs where there were differences and packages existing on one repository naming scheme and the other differed, making upgrade

[DNG] MATE issues: Re: IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 21:20 +0300, Hleb Valoshka wrote: > On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: > > > Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. > > Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd > policykit backend was pulled. What is

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 14/02/2018 à 17:17, J. Fahrner a écrit : Am 2018-02-14 17:05, schrieb Didier Kryn: Everything works fine, except slim has lost its beautifull background. Now its background is just grey. Yout /etc/slim.conf should have a line current_theme desktop-slim-theme And the theme files are in

Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?

2018-02-14 Thread Fungal-net
Original Message On February 15, 2018 1:28 AM, KatolaZ wrote: >On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:24:27PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote: >>devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever >>been the same? >> > > They are the same machine

Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?

2018-02-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 07:43:30PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote: [cut] > > Obviously the way you are handling the response to me is evidence that there > is something to the story. > > PLEASE do not forget to point us to the reference on when was there a public > announcement that onion address

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Fungal-net
Please don''t let the Grouch break up your valentine party but would anyone care to elaborate on the following scenario? We have Joe, Jill, Jack, and Mindy. Joe is running Wheezy and converts to Ascii Jill is running Devuan 1 Jessie and converts to ascii Jack is running Stretch and converts to

Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?

2018-02-14 Thread Fungal-net
If you are officially representing Devuan and "a long email" described why Devuan should not be trusted, I'd say it is your problem the inability to read and understand the technical content. If you are really unable to understand the technical content of this "long email" then you are

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Jaromil
Thanks for your accurate answer Patrick if Fungal keeps pontifying unsubstantiated claims and denigrating conspiracy theories against us after your answer, it will be banned from here too. OTOH to anyone who is reading and wants to bring to our attention a problem in beta: you are welcome to

Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?

2018-02-14 Thread tilt!
Fungal-net, could you please tone down, and furthermore condense your critique, such that it can be read and understood? If you have found a gap in the documentation that causes trouble to users, please point it out. Kind regards, T. ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released

2018-02-14 Thread Patrick Meade
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 20:07 -0500, Fungal-net wrote: > Because as per a couple of hours ago it seems as I have been exposed > to this amprolla3 for 4-5 months now, without knowing, and although I > run about the same stuff on a test debian isntallations, pkgs there > rain down to the level of

Re: [DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586

2018-02-14 Thread Jaromil
On 14 February 2018 23:06:34 CET, Andreas Messer wrote: >On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27:32PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote: >> ...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09:17PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: >> >> > Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56: >> > > System resets before

Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?

2018-02-14 Thread m712
Forwarding to the ML because I messed up the recipient. On February 15, 2018 3:43:30 AM GMT+03:00, Fungal-net wrote: >Are you saying now, and this is a new take on explaining the >unexplainable, and please readers feel free to intervene here and point >out the obvious

Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?

2018-02-14 Thread m712
Forwarding to the ML because I messed up the recipient. On February 15, 2018 4:21:03 AM GMT+03:00, Fungal-net wrote: >If you are officially representing Devuan and "a long email" described >why Devuan should not be trusted, I'd say it is your problem the >inability to

Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.

2018-02-14 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2018-02-14 23:51, schrieb Didier Kryn:     The line is there in /etc/slim.conf     And the file exists in several places: root@apcnb98:/home/kryn# locate desktop-slim-theme /etc/alternatives/desktop-slim-theme /usr/share/slim/themes/desktop-slim-theme

Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?

2018-02-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 08:21:03PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote: > > Your response is every proof I needed that there is something fishy going on. > It may be legal to be deceiving people but the question is whether it is > ethical and whether once you discover a rat are you responsible to make the