Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread dal
Rick, would you please cease using negatively charged buzzwords, like "conspiracy theories" while your counterpart is talking about existing legitimate (good or bad but legitimate) business interests and motivations which are _not_ hidden at all. Also, in my humble opinion, the following is a

Re: [DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 21 May 2020 05:13:52 +0100 tux...@sapo.pt wrote: > Citando Steve Litt : > > > This whole discussion balances on the definition of "shell aware". > > What is "shell aware?" > > > > SteveT > > > >   > > Have you tried to write shell script code into the execution command > of a

Re: [DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng
>> On 21 May 2020, at 17:31, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> On Thu, 21 May 2020 05:13:52 +0100 >> tux...@sapo.pt wrote: >> >> Citando Steve Litt : >>> This whole discussion balances on the definition of "shell aware". >>> What is "shell aware?" >>> SteveT >> Have you tried to write shell script

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/05/2020 à 11:39, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp a écrit : When you take a look at "government media" in EU and Austria in particular you will find that there's a bashing of people not conforming with mainstream media. Narrative goes "you do not love your goverment, you think there's a hidden agenda,

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/05/2020 à 02:05, Steve Litt a écrit : Rick Moen via Dng wrote: conspiracy hypothesis. Conspiracies happen. Not every event is brought forth by a single person. I remember a time when scads of us Linux enthusiasts conspired to depose Microsoft. "Conspiracy theory" is not an insult,

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread Peter Duffy
If LP doesn't see the obvious benefit of making systemd optional, I can't see that he'd go to the trouble of creating a plug-and-play setup to allow alternatives to systemd to get in on the act. (Would a dictator suggest the tryout of other political systems, to see how they stacked up against

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2020 Thu, 21 May 11:30:31 +0200 Didier Kryn scripsit: > Le 21/05/2020 à 02:05, Steve Litt a écrit : > > Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > > > >> conspiracy hypothesis. > > Conspiracies happen. Not every event is brought forth by a single > > person. I remember a time when scads of us Linux

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread Rick Moen via Dng
Quoting g4sra via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > Um, is this what you were referring to ? > https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/ibm-closes-landmark-acquisition-red-hat-34-billion-defines-open-hybrid-cloud-future Oh, _do_ go on, sir. Sadly, I'm guessing you actually have no plan to flesh

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-20 18:45, Steve Litt wrote: > It really is just that simple. There's no need to add anything to > accommodate badly behaved init system authors. I wanted to add: 5. reaping orphan processes when they die but I had the good sense to read the wikipedia article "Orphan process" first,

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread g4sra via Dng
On 21/05/2020 21:24, Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > >> When a company takes action to increase its share of the market and/or >> its cash flow, we normally do not call that a conspiration. It is >> legitimate to write about it and discuss the actions it takes. >

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread Rick Moen via Dng
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > When a company takes action to increase its share of the market and/or > its cash flow, we normally do not call that a conspiration. It is > legitimate to write about it and discuss the actions it takes. And, in the matter at hand, RHAT's underwriting of

[DNG] Mixing different init benefits: was: without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 21 May 2020 10:59:15 +0100 Peter Duffy wrote: > I think that the thing that I found tantalising was the idea of > sniffing what systemd tried to do, and then deciding whether or not > to do it, Many have tried this. Web search "uselessd". But your suggestion becomes much more

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread Rick Moen via Dng
Quoting dal (d...@chalmers.se): > would you please cease using negatively charged buzzwords, like > "conspiracy theories" It's not necessarily derogation to use that and similar phrases: It's description. To quote Richard Hostadter's ground-breaking 1964 article: Nothing really prevents a

Re: [DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation

2020-05-21 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2020 Thu, 21 May 13:09:32 +0100 ael scripsit: > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 05:04:57AM +0100, tux...@sapo.pt wrote: > > I forgot.. > > The bootloader needs support for f2fs, but since you are able to launch the > > kernel, it should be supported by definition( it loads the kernel into > >

Re: [DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation

2020-05-21 Thread ael
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 07:03:45PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2020 Thu, 21 May 13:09:32 +0100 > ael scripsit: > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 05:04:57AM +0100, tux...@sapo.pt wrote: > > > I forgot.. > > > The bootloader needs support for f2fs, but since you are able to launch > >

Re: [DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation

2020-05-21 Thread ael
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 05:04:57AM +0100, tux...@sapo.pt wrote: > I forgot.. > The bootloader needs support for f2fs, but since you are able to launch the > kernel, it should be supported by definition( it loads the kernel into > memory...so it access the block device.. ).. But you need the f2fs