Re: [DNG] SoylentNews discussion

2016-06-03 Thread Dan Purgert
KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 05:57:27PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > [cut] > > > IMHO, if and when we would like to make a change regarding init > systems, that change should not be to replace sysvinit with an init > system of *our* choice, but probably towards allowing users to use

Re: [DNG] Devuan (f)art

2016-06-03 Thread Dan Purgert
KatolaZ wrote: > Dear Devuaners, > > I wanted to share a first attempt to get an ASCII-art-like logo for > Devuan that I made yesterday night. I am not an expert of ASCII-art, > so don't expect it to be perfect or to look good. I started from the > official svg I found on the website, and I

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

2016-06-08 Thread Dan Purgert
Didier Kryn wrote: >[snip] > > I cite: > "Systemd and cgroup developers are working together to turn systemd into a > global cgroup manager that creates higher-level control knobs and prevents > direct access to the kernel. Many Systemd changes are already released > while cgroup changes are

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

2016-06-09 Thread Dan Purgert
Simon Walter wrote: > On 06/09/2016 07:07 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > >Yet another thing that systemd is getting its tentacles into ... wonder > >when the majority of users will say "enough is enough" with it? > > > > > > They will not. The majority of user

Re: [DNG] resolved

2016-06-08 Thread Dan Purgert
Edward Bartolo wrote: > [snip] > > Reading this mail thread gives the message that eventually software > freedom will win even in the case of init freedom. However, searching > online for various topics often results in howtos that assume one is > running systemd. I may be worrying a bit too

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

2016-06-08 Thread Dan Purgert
Jaromil wrote: > On Wed, 08 Jun 2016, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > Otherwise, I like the idea to have a better control of what > > survives a session. > > I also like that and I like that is simply made. > > For many of us is already made possible in simple ways: you run inside > screen (or

Re: [DNG] resolved

2016-06-07 Thread Dan Purgert
Jim Murphy wrote: > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Klaus Hartnegg > wrote: > > All programmers please read this, and treat it as a list of things not to > > do. > > > > https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2016-June/014964.html > > > > Systemd manages

Re: [DNG] Devuan (f)art

2016-06-03 Thread Dan Purgert
hellekin wrote: > [snip] > With N ~ U, rounder E, more detached (R) (attached) And this is now my MOTD :) -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___

Re: [DNG] SoylentNews discussion

2016-06-04 Thread Dan Purgert
Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 03/06/2016 19:31, Dan Purgert a écrit : > >Is it possible during setup to choose the init system on the fly? I > >mean, we can choose Cinnamon / Mate / xfce / etc for the DE as it is (or > >all of them - although I expect having multiple competing in

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

2016-06-08 Thread Dan Purgert
KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 12:13:48PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > Yes, nohup. I guess it issues setsid() and disconnects from the > > controlling terminal, but any process can do that on its own. I was thinking > > of a way to decide which session can do that

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-28 Thread Dan Purgert
KatolaZ wrote: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825394 > > Posted yesterday on the IRC channel #devuan. It'a already in > Debian/sid. And apparently is there to stay. The real reason for such > an "important feature" enabled by default? Cleaning up hanging > processes left over

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Dan Purgert
Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > Since programming is done by people, who often have a motive behind > their actions, the question as to why this is happening is not > technical, but sociological. The new 'winds of change' that are > affecting free unix like OSs like Linux, are powered by a

Re: [DNG] Pulseaudio ...

2016-07-28 Thread Dan Purgert
uht...@posteo.de wrote: > Is pulseaudio necessary? I don't have it installed here; so I suppose "no". Admittedly, I could be wrong (or missing some context). -- Registered Linux user #585947 Github: https://github.com/dpurgert signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-07 Thread Dan Purgert
On 11/07/2016 11:29 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 161107-10:38+0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> This is one important reason why Devuan should have invested effort >> into setting up a forum that uses an interface many would use readily. >> I suggested phpBB like forums.debian.net. The reason

Re: [DNG] Systemdconf

2016-10-18 Thread Dan Purgert
On 10/18/2016 01:22 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:54:43 -0400 > Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> wrote: > >> On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> Anyways as you've said we're obsolete g

Re: [DNG] Systemdconf

2016-10-18 Thread Dan Purgert
On 10/18/2016 07:03 AM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > > [...] > > Anyways as you've said we're obsolete grey beards :) Greybeard? Maybe (I dunno, never met you ;) ). Obsolete? Hardly. How else are people gonna learn, if not from the old-timers, because seriously, if pottering et. al. are

Re: [DNG] Announcing the dev1galaxy.org forum

2016-12-14 Thread Dan Purgert
On 12/14/2016 05:51 PM, Chandler Wise wrote: > The Devuan community has a new gathering place - https://dev1galaxy.org > - the "officially unofficial Devuan forum" for the graybeard in all of > us. Wouldn't the 'greybeard' feel more comfortable on Usenet? :) Poked around as much as I could

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-30 Thread Dan Purgert
On 11/30/2016 05:24 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:53:41AM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote: >> Just to make sure I've not made a mess of things (been a while since >> I've done the debian-style inplace update), someone mind >> double-checking the resu

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-30 Thread Dan Purgert
Quoting Emiliano Marini : Sorry: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home Brilliant! Thanks! Must've missed it in my perusal of the info. Looks like there were only about 45 things that needed updated here. Just to make sure I've

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-11-30 Thread Dan Purgert
Quoting Clarke Sideroad : Thank you and the whole community for this. I feel this distribution is crucial to the future of freedom of choice in Linux. Agreed, I couldn't have said it better myself. There are of course other sans-systemd distros, but IMHO this one

Re: [DNG] On a lighter note

2017-01-06 Thread Dan Purgert
On 01/06/2017 12:26 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:05:34 + > Simon Hobson wrote: > >> Fred DC wrote: >> >>> My apologies for not realizing that this is an *anti-systemd* >>> mailinglist. >> >> Dunno if that was supposed to be

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-04 Thread Dan Purgert
On 01/04/2017 07:24 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2017 at 01:10:31PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > [cut] > >>> I'm kind of envisioning this as part of the initial system setup, so a >>> little more like this. >>> Though I fully admit caffeine hasn't kicked in yet, so I may be

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-04 Thread Dan Purgert
Quoting Alessandro Selli : On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 at 22:03:47 + Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Alessandro Selli writes: This still doesn't explain why they decided to force-feed Google's DNS server on the user without prompting the poor fellow

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-04 Thread Dan Purgert
Quoting Alessandro Selli <alessandrose...@linux.com>: Il giorno Wed, 04 Jan 2017 05:53:56 -0500 Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> ha scritto: Quoting Alessandro Selli <alessandrose...@linux.com>: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 at 22:03:47 + Arnt Gulbrandsen > <a...

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

2017-03-14 Thread Dan Purgert
On 03/15/2017 12:00 AM, メット wrote: > > > On 2017年3月15日 12:40:48 JST, Don Wright wrote: >> Steve Litt wrote: >>> Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of >>> people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt >>> on it please.

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

2017-04-12 Thread Dan Purgert
On 04/12/2017 11:58 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > [...] > Systemd actively sabotages the ability to replace it, whereas no > other inits do that (that I know of). It would be stupid of Devuan to > allow systemd into their software. Wouldn't it also be kind of undoing the whole reason that the

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Dan Purgert
On 04/17/2017 06:59 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > bwah!? > > How does one not know that rm will tell you off if you try to do > something daft like rm -rf ? > > I mean, yeah, maybe it was a pitfall a few decades ago, when computers > were handled by "trained professiona

Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

2017-04-17 Thread Dan Purgert
bwah!? How does one not know that rm will tell you off if you try to do something daft like rm -rf ? I mean, yeah, maybe it was a pitfall a few decades ago, when computers were handled by "trained professionals" ... On 04/17/2017 05:18 AM, Klaus Ethgen wrote: >

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

2017-04-13 Thread Dan Purgert
Quoting Alessandro Selli : On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 at 14:18:34 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): As sudo can be made to operate either requiring the user to type his own password or no password,

Re: [DNG] 403 forbidden on installer-iso

2017-05-25 Thread Dan Purgert
On 05/24/2017 05:18 AM, Jaromil wrote: > > I was uploading the final isos, now accessible and signed. > > the "glitch" is also due to the limited infrastructural availability > we have, for instance on the front server files.devuan.org the space > is limited (and won't fit the ascii releases) so

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

2017-05-05 Thread Dan Purgert
On 05/04/2017 11:54 PM, Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > Just two weeks after the release of Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC, we are > happy to announce Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2. Thanks to the very good > feedback received

Re: [DNG] ..forensics on systemd or journald logs

2017-11-25 Thread Dan Purgert
On 11/25/2017 03:23 AM, leloft wrote: > On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:32:52 -0600 > goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > > So could I ask for your opinions please? > 1) What should I replace the Netgear router with? > What's the 'critics choice'? If you're a "networking guy" (or at least comfortable with

Re: [DNG] Devuan ascii installer netinstall iso UPDATE

2018-06-02 Thread Dan Purgert
On 05/31/2018 04:42 PM, Stefan Krusche wrote: > Am Donnerstag 31 Mai 2018 schrieb Stefan Krusche: >> Good day everyone, >> >> while starting the devuan installer from >> devuan_ascii_2.0.0-rc_amd64_netinst.iso and initiating to continue with ssh >> remote install (in graphic expert install mode)

Re: [DNG] .NET Core and systemd

2019-08-20 Thread Dan Purgert
On Aug 20, 2019, dev via Dng wrote: > Seems like this would be a nice bridge for windows malware to infect > linux. Or proves that systemd is Windows malware that has already infected Linux. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11

Re: [DNG] ..the D in Systemd is for Directories: Poettering says his creation will phone /home in future ... albeit with broken SSH login

2019-09-27 Thread Dan Purgert
On Sep 27, 2019, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 27/09/2019 à 11:45, Dan Purgert a écrit : > > On Sep 27, 2019, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > Le 27/09/2019 à 00:25, Steve Litt a écrit : > > > > Show of hands: Who ever perceived a problem with using /etc/passwd, >

Re: [DNG] ..the D in Systemd is for Directories: Poettering says his creation will phone /home in future ... albeit with broken SSH login

2019-09-27 Thread Dan Purgert
On Sep 27, 2019, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 27/09/2019 à 00:25, Steve Litt a écrit : >> Show of hands: Who ever perceived a problem with using /etc/passwd, >> /etc/shadow, and /etc/group? They just worked . > > >     Imagine a computer with no user, just root, and an empty /home > directory.

Re: [DNG] ..the D in Systemd is for Directories: Poettering says his creation will phone /home in future ... albeit with broken SSH login

2019-09-27 Thread Dan Purgert
On Sep 27, 2019, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > Sigh . . . If only Devuan development could generate the participation and > enthusiasm that the silliness of systemd bashing does . . . I gotta get less bad at a lot of things before I can help there :(. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github:

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-08 Thread Dan Purgert
On Oct 01, 2019, Steve Litt wrote: > [...] > [1] In 2014 I probably had almost as many supporters on Debian-User as > haters, but my supporters all left, leaving only the haters. I don't hate you, and technically am subscribed to debian-user ... -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github:

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-05 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 03, 2020, tekHedd wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Mar 02, 2020, spiralofhope wrote: > > That is certainly some Orwellian thinking right there. > > You say "Orwellian thinking" like it's a bad thing. :) I ... think ..

Re: [DNG] FF now defaults to DNS-over-HTTPS for US

2020-03-02 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 02, 2020, spiralofhope wrote: > On Sun, 01 Mar 2020 17:08:28 -0600 > goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default_for_usa/ > > } Another relevant question is whether further centralisation of the > } internet is,

Re: [DNG] What can even possibly go wrong?

2020-03-12 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 12, 2020, Rowland penny via Dng wrote: > Windows has something similar, they call it roaming profiles and that has > its problems. It's certainly useful in a "campus" environment, where you're quite likely at a different computer all the time (i.e. grabbing whatever is free in the computer

Re: [DNG] What can even possibly go wrong?

2020-03-12 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 12, 2020, Simon Hobson wrote: > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > It's certainly useful in a "campus" environment, where you're quite > > likely at a different computer all the time (i.e. grabbing whatever is > > free in the computer lab to print your f

Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

2020-04-07 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 06, 2020, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:46:03PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote: > > > Dear Devlers, > > > > > >     is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox > > >

Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

2020-04-06 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote: > Dear Devlers, > >     is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox > (or Vivaldi) on Devuan?  The ones I have come in contact with. such als > /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or Mac and > Chrome. > > Are

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-16 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 14, 2020, Mark Rousell wrote: > I am not opposing your central message in any way, but... > > On 13/03/2020 02:59, Steve Litt wrote: > > involves programming, and most people can't > > do that. > > > > Oh really? 12 lines of code and they can't do it (or have a friend help > > do it)? > >

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-16 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 15, 2020, tom wrote: > [...] The biggest technical problem is the > lack of ASIC northbridge, or rather something to interface the CPU to > an PCIE bus. Currently the best thing available you can get is an FPGA > and it is a severe bandwidth bottleneck. It's also super expensive > getting

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-05 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 05, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > > > On 22.03.20 13:02, Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Mar 21, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > > The entire point of the public key is that it can be obtained over any > > insecure medium, and still provide the correct signature verificat

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-05 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 05, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > Hi Dan > > On 05.04.20 13:12, Dan Purgert wrote: > > OK, so now you've "verified(tm)" that you successfully got > > "devuan_a1gn1ng_key" from https://devane.com/pgp.asc. Great that > > you were able to ve

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-16 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 16, 2020, tom wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:38:04 -0400 > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > On Mar 15, 2020, tom wrote: > > > [...] The biggest technical problem is the > > > lack of ASIC northbridge, or rather something to interface the CPU > > >

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-20 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 19, 2020, tom wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:29:51 -0400 > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > What, then, is so bad about PCI? Or hell, even ISA? > > > > Sure, it's super-limiting in terms of what you can buy off the shelf > > -- but then again, so was the

Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?

2020-03-20 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 20, 2020, Steve Litt wrote: > Is anybody using Discord in Devuan for virtual get-togethers? Ew, no. IRC, Usenet, and mailing lists. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 21, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > > > On 19.03.20 20:37, aitor_czr wrote: > > As you know, you need to install the gpg key of gnuinos: > > > > # curl http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos_pk.asc | apt-key add - > > Please get your keys always over secured connections. Use https. The entire

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 22, 2020, Florian Zieboll wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 08:02:51 -0400 > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > On Mar 21, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > > > > > Please get your keys always over secured connec

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-17 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 17, 2020, terryc wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:29:51 -0400 > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > I guess what I'm trying to ask is what would be so bad about a "RISC-V > > Hobby Linux Machine(tm)" only offering these "older" peripheral > > connectivi