Re: [DNG] Problems of Devuan installer (Alpha2) I experinced.

2015-11-16 Thread Florian Zieboll
On 16/11/15 13:00, Hughe janpeng...@riseup.net wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to install Duvuan using Devuan installer few times but all the > attempts failed due to partitioning the hard disk, followed by GRUB > installation at the end. Hallo Hughe, I recently installed Devuan Jessie i386 from the

Re: [DNG] Alternative for ARM processors

2015-10-06 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:59:48 -0500 vmlinux wrote: > Both systems run Debian arm and I am afraid to ever apply upgrades to > them again. :( If there weren't any major changes to the repository in the last few weeks, you can easily install Devuan on a Raspberry Pi (->

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:55:51 +0100 Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de> wrote: > Also, you can use the Raspbian unattended netinstaller[1] to get a > very minimal Debian Jessie and then point apt to the Devuan > repository. Correcting myself: Of course you'd want to install

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:57:50 +0100 Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: > Yes, on a Pi 2 which has a "standard" ARM7 core and so is covered by > the common definition of armhf. I confirm that I had been tampering with a Raspberry Pi 2B, successfully installing the full xfce4

Re: [DNG] APT pinning no longer works

2015-12-02 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 11:48:49 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > Starting from this version pinning > (i.e. preventing from being installed) > packages this way: > --- > Package: foo > Pin: release * > Pin-Priority: -1 >

Re: [DNG] XFCE terminal alternatives?

2015-12-07 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 09:39:18 -0600 dev wrote: > I like the tabs and the drop-down feature of XFCE Terminal as well as > the light footprint. I've tried others[1] such as Terra Terminal, > Terminator and Yakuake but can't seem to find one with all the right > features. Any

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2015-12-16 Thread Florian Zieboll
Hallo Fanboy, I killed some time translating your quick start guide to german, see attachment. My translation of "configuring minimalism" is probably a bit square-edged. Some things that came to my mind when working on it: - It might be nice to mention the possible removal of gnome a bit

[DNG] the consistency of omelette

2015-12-17 Thread Florian Zieboll
From LWN.net's Distribution quotes of the (last) week: You know, I am certainly not the person who wouldn't agree to the concept of breaking eggs to make an omelette. But it's completely unnacceptable to go to the supermarket and break everybody else's eggs too, just because you want to make

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

2015-12-15 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:42:39 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > These are two very different skills whose correlation is noticeable, > but not nearly in lockstep. Hallo Steve, very generally speaking, I think you can learn a lot from listening to other peoples' "output" –

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

2015-12-16 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:25:00 + Simon Hobson wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > > You might wonder why I'm so partial to IMAP: A fair question indeed. > > I think a fairer question would be why anyone would be against it ! > OK, there's one

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

2015-12-16 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:16:07 + Simon Hobson wrote: > Just make sure that you either keep backups of the local copy, or > make sure the sync process won't delete stuff from the local copy. > Otherwise, if the provider (or you, or you mail client) "gets it > wrong" and

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

2015-12-14 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:46:19 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > I tried claws-mail without success: the gmail server refused to > connect. Hi Edward, Claws-Mail works perfectly fine with gmail, as does any other IMAP capable mail client I know. Just RTFL (yes, the connection

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

2015-12-14 Thread Florian Zieboll
Sorry for not-wrapped mail... Wrapped version follows: On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:58:35 +0100 Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de> wrote: > Hi Edward, > > Claws-Mail works perfectly fine with gmail, as does any other IMAP > capable mail client I know. Just RTFL (yes,

Re: [DNG] Giving Devuan sans-initramfs capabilities

2016-01-04 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 17:32:26 +0100 Svante Signell wrote: > Just an idea: Would it be possible to detect the hardware of each > computer being installed on and after that install the needed > modules? IIUC, exactly this hardware detection is already happening.

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:06:24 -0600 Nate Bargmann wrote: > Snicker. What next, naming partitions 'C', 'D', etc.? Rolls eyes. Some time ago after having read this [*] Wired article, I joked that Redmond and Redhat have merged and Poettering is in possession of the Windows source

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuringminimalism

2016-01-05 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:03:17 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: > I thought this might be an issue having run into something similar > myself, thanks for confirming. > > I need to work out the right and simplest way to do it with wireless > stations before writing in

Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock

2015-12-31 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:46:45 + Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Go Linux writes: > > > On Wed, 12/30/15, Franco Lanza wrote: > > > >> I think we should release a communicate about Ian > >> to celebrate him and mourn he's

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

2015-12-30 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:30:44 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how > to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and when I > log in it starts me off with xfce instead. > In the old days >

Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

2015-12-23 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:14:44 -0300 Emiliano Marini wrote: > Is there any way to list recommended packages for a given package? Hello Emiliano, # apt-rdepends -s Recommends -s Suggests will return a list of all dependencies, recommends and suggests of the selected

Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

2015-12-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:31:16 -0300 Emiliano Marini wrote: > For example, "apt-cache show nmap" gives no info about suggests and/or > recommend. But "apt-cache show ntop" gives info about depends and > suggests. Hallo Emiliano, my nmap here (Debian Wheezy) does not

Re: [DNG] Don't feed the troll

2015-12-22 Thread Florian Zieboll
I just read this article on bsdmag.org from October about systemd. It gives a refreshingly objective view from the distance on the whole discussion about the sense and nonsense of systemd: Problems with Systemd and Why I like BSD Init, by Randy Westlund http://bsdmag.org/randy_w_3/ Disclaimer:

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

2015-12-21 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:33:51 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: > I enabled the issue tracker on the wiki so if anyone has problems (or > suggestions) with the docs they can add it there if they like. > > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide - german translation

2015-12-21 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:42:02 +0100 Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de> wrote: > german translation Hallo Fanboy, something else: When you edit the encoding, in the first paragraph you should perhaps replace the string "dass der 'stable'-Ableger mit – wenn überhaupt – nur wen

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

2015-12-21 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:51:07 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: > Aha, yeah I can see there's something going on with it now that I've > checked. > > Could you send the file in an attachment again? Here's the file. The change suggested in my other mail is already

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:55:51 +0100 Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de> wrote: > Also, you can use the Raspbian unattended netinstaller[1] to get a > very minimal Debian Jessie and then point apt to the Devuan > repository. Correcting myself: Of course you'd want to install

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:55:51 +0100 Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de> wrote: > Also, you can use the Raspbian unattended netinstaller[1] to get a > very minimal Debian Jessie and then point apt to the Devuan > repository. Correcting myself: Of course you'd want to install

Re: [DNG] problems with CUPS

2015-11-30 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 03:16:27 + "Antonio Trkdz.tab" wrote: > In my mind the explanation is that all the packages and the > descriptions have been updated to the new versions, but somehow this > has not been picked up by my apt-get update. Hallo Antonio, # apt-cache

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:15:23 + Simon Hobson wrote: > Also consider the other issue, it's using an SD card for storage. The Pi only needs the boot partition on the SD card. You can easily put the root FS onto a USB HDD – which of course will narrow down the USB

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2016-01-13 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:52:27 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: > minimal xorg and xfce4 install guides are now available Hallo Chillfan, when you think that your documentation has become somewhat stable and is not prone to bigger changes anymore, I'd like to offer to

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2016-01-12 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:52:27 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Minimal-XFCE4-install Hallo Chillfan, A quote from the guide: > user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" > ~/.xinitrc I already noticed this in your

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2016-01-12 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:48:45 -0300 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > Simple enough to change this into: > > user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" >> ~/.xinitrc Yes – if there's no "exit" command contained in the existing .xinitrc. Florian

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2016-01-12 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:36:03 +0100 Svante Signell <svante.sign...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 13:22 +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:48:45 -0300 > > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote: > > > [.

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2016-01-12 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:34:20 - "dev1fanboy" wrote: > hey Florian, > > I do try to include the inexperienced, hopefully that's not too > boring for everyone else. > > I think I should probably change startx to startxfce4 this time, > because it has it's own

Re: [DNG] use zram for /tmp - how?

2016-06-04 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 21:44:37 +0200 wrote: > Anyone of you knows a way how to use zram for /tmp ? > > (...) > > I did not find anything for debian. Only zram for swap like here > (https://wiki.debian.org/ZRam) and here > (http://forum.linuxvillage.org/index.php?topic=92.0)

Re: [DNG] Init compatibility (was: SoylentNews discussion)

2016-06-04 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 19:41:02 +0100 Simon Hobson <li...@thehobsons.co.uk> wrote: > Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de> wrote: > > > Seriously, what else besides dependencies on other daemons that > > have to be running and some testing for the existence of certain &

Re: [DNG] use zram for /tmp - how?

2016-06-05 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 06:50:11 +0200 wrote: > Thanks Florian! That might be an idea - if it is not working the other > way around: like parazyd suggested. May be raise the space of zram > swap and set then tmpfs (which should then, if i understand it > correctly, should use the

Re: [DNG] Init compatibility

2016-06-05 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 10:58:37 + hellekin <helle...@dyne.org> wrote: > On 06/03/2016 10:42 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > > That said, I wonder, what information any > > arbitrary init system would need, that can not be delivered e.g. in > > a simple X

Re: [DNG] Init compatibility

2016-06-05 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:54:12 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > What's "a daemon"? > > (...) > > And no 'package' not specifically created for this use case could > provide the meta-information needed here. Hallo Rainer, this sounds much like a rhetoric question. I think

Re: [DNG] Init compatibility (was: SoylentNews discussion)

2016-06-03 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 22:53:58 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > You see, in less then 10 emails there are 10 different opinions about > which TheBest init system to adopt in a future Devuan :) > > The only way to avoid useless flames on the topic, which will surely > cause friction,

Re: [DNG] Init compatibility (was: SoylentNews discussion)

2016-06-04 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 03:27:16 -0400 Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 00:42:46 +0200 > Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de> wrote: > > > My experience with init systems is mostly limited sysV init (well, > > also busybox and sys

Re: [DNG] package request

2016-06-14 Thread Florian Zieboll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 02:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Peter Olson wrote: > > On June 14, 2016 at 1:43 AM Irrwahn wrote: > > > > On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 00:37:59 -0400 (EDT), Peter Olson wrote: > > > > [About possible

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-14 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:50:55 +0200 wrote: > Hi all. > > I have an urgent problem with the Devuan Jessie 1.0 installer: > > When it comes to install the basic system at a certain point the > installation stops with an error. On console 4 i see the following > error msg: >

Re: [DNG] Devuan migrate and install

2016-06-14 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 21:27:00 +0200 richard lucassen wrote: > 1) IIRC there used to be a "sources.list" somewhere to migrate from > Debian Jessie to Devuan Jessie. Does someone have a URL? I had thought that it's part of the devuan-baseconf package, but apparently it's

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 02:25:45 +0200 wrote: > But now there is another problem: Seems there are lost all the shadow > passwords, both, for root and user. Is there a way to re-establish > them? Hallo Emninger, if you have the installer-disk handy, boot to rescue mode (chroot)

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:59:09 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: > Since it is a universal OS. I would suggest we disable the graphical > installer if it causing people to be put off. This may sound like > heresy, but the text base installer is not minimal and it is fully >

Re: [DNG] cosmetic installer issues

2016-06-15 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:46:26 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > perhaps we can start recommending some pinning to avoid > avahi and/or dbus and such things. It might be nice to have a selection of such "-1" pinning options available at install time - perhaps along with the possibility to

Re: [DNG] apt-get upgrade does nothing

2016-05-30 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 29 May 2016 14:48:35 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > I would assume that when I install off a 1 month old CD image, a lot > of packages would be old and in need of upgrade. Does anyone have any > suggestions? Hallo Steve, I just grepped my latest upgrade log and

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 29 May 2016 08:43:56 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: > experience has shown that consensus is wonderful. Can't stress this enough. But how to share this wonderful experience of social empowerment? Florian ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] comunity driven repositories

2016-05-31 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 31 May 2016 17:00:32 +0200 wrote: > some more precisely? f. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Is kernel 4.5.0 flakey ?

2016-06-01 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 08:18:08 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > With the new installation I did quite a few updates and safe-upgrades, > but none brought in the 4.5.0 kernel as far as I know. It was only > because for some reason I searched the archive for linux-image that I >

[DNG] jessie-security repository and mirrors in general

2016-06-20 Thread Florian Zieboll
Hallo, to my surprise I just noticed, that the version of "locales" in the jessie-security repository is older than the one in the "merged" repo. Not a problem, as the latest version will be installed, but nevertheless I want to report for the case that there's something wrong. BTW, does the

Re: [DNG] cosmetic installer issues

2016-06-15 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 01:41:57 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > I don't see any strong offenders. Remember, task packages are meant > for ordinary users who want an usable system out of the box. Wasting > some disk space is not an argument for them -- the size of tasks is >

Re: [DNG] cosmetic installer issues

2016-06-15 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:04:08 +0200 Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 01:20:23PM +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > Also great would be an early no-install-recommends option / switch. > > If you consider no-install-recommends, why would you u

Re: [DNG] state of what's working for modern desktop usage

2016-02-09 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 09:15:28 +0100 shraptor wrote: > It is my belief that vdev should go in some testing or development > repo. If there are free capacities on the build infrastructure, it would make testing much more appealing to have an unofficial (pre)alpha or "lab"

[DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
I just installed a Devuan system from scratch in "expert mode" from devuan-jessie-netboot-amd64-alpha2.iso. It went fine so far and finally I own this beautiful green slim login screen I read about on the list. I had planned to go with a customized XDM as on my laptop, but well, we'll see :)

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:47:51 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Apparently synaptic keeps its config in its own config file > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99synaptic. Do you mean synaptic reads all config > files in order, and since 99synaptic is the last, it can override all > previous

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-03 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:48:43 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Thanks to all Trolls. > Your feedback is much appreciated. :D Ho Edward, actually I didn't want to share my first spontaneous idea, but now I kind of have to, although you sometimes seem to excessively like getting

Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-29 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:52:36 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > If you add security.debian.org, how does it know *not* to install > security updates that have been systemd-ized? My desktop has the following lines in an /etc/apt/preferences.d/ file: Package: systemd Pin:

Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:20:29 +0100 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..and we are sure we didn't fall for another > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack ? Are we?! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-01-31 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 08:23:50 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > Why not then pin libsystemd0 two times, > both "old APT" and "new APT (>1.1)" ways? The new syntax works fine on my Jessie systems, no need for double entries. > Avoiding libsystemd0 without angband.pl repos is > not

Re: [DNG] Semi OT: Mailman, Lurker and referencing messages

2016-02-02 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 13:55:20 + hellekin wrote: > I guess we can investigate and find out how to generate these from > mailman, and then have a nice URL like: > https://lurker.devuan.org/ to redirect to the relevant > lurker message. This would also make Devuan Editors'

Re: [DNG] Semi OT: Mailman, Lurker and referencing messages

2016-02-02 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 10:45:22 +0100 Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > On Tue, 02 Feb 2016, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > Another loose thought on this: To spare the mailing list machine(s) > > the additional burden of hashing, wouldn't it be sufficient to add > &g

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 13:13:43 + Simon Hobson <li...@thehobsons.co.uk> wrote: > Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de> wrote: > > > As with any of these newish "*.d/" folders, you can just > > > > $ cat apt.conf.d/* > apt.conf && rm -r

Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:15:01 -0500 Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 08:03:45PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > > * In the "configure package manager" section the installer suggests > > to choose "security up

Re: [DNG] Ad filtering and blocking

2016-01-25 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 23:47:14 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: > Or maybe because xul is going the way of the dodo? > > http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=7=2979611 Does anybody here know how the Seamonkey project is going to deal with Mozilla's disposal of XUL?

Re: [DNG] Evolution of a Unix minimalist

2016-01-25 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:06:45 + Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Now, what to all of these have in common beyond "you got almost all of > the chronology wrong"? Definitely the "Head or tails", gentlemen ;) Quote from: Asimov, Isaac - The Machine That Won The War,

Re: [DNG] Does dunst require dbus?

2016-01-23 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:09:23 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > different color terminals for > ssh sessions I had played a bit with the tiling and highly (GUI) configurable "Terminator" but was bounced back to xterm very quickly due to its footprint and wrote the following

Re: [DNG] Does dunst require dbus?

2016-01-24 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 21:11:46 +0100 Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 08:10:31PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > I had played a bit with the tiling and highly (GUI) configurable > > "Terminator" but was bounced bac

Re: [DNG] Ad filtering and blocking

2016-01-24 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:06:42 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Either forbid the cookies or avoid web applications. "Self-Destructing Cookies" is a nice add-on for Firefox: install, configure and forget. | Fix the web. Gets rid of a site's cookies and LocalStorage as soon as | you

Re: [DNG] Ad filtering and blocking

2016-01-24 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:55:49 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > I am noticing that since some time ago websites > are starting to 'brainwash' users to use cookies. This is often done > by displaying a high contrast banner at the top threatening that by > using their website one MUST

[DNG] OT: how to trigger debconf on package upgrade?

2016-02-17 Thread Florian Zieboll
I am troubleshooting an update-script and got stuck on the question, how it is possible to manipulate a package, that (on upgrade) it triggers debconf to ask me for the already set configuration once again. IOW, I want to interactively re-debconf-igure an already installed and configured package

Re: [DNG] OT: how to trigger debconf on package upgrade?

2016-02-17 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 11:04:04 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > I think 'dpkg-reconfigure ' should work. You got me wrong ;) I have here a script that got stuck on the latest glibc/locales update (apt-get upgrade -y -q). The log shows, that it ran into interactive debconf. After

Re: [DNG] OT: how to trigger debconf on package upgrade?

2016-02-17 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:41:18 +0100 zea...@free.fr wrote: > Hi ! I don't know if that can be helpful : Hallo Zeanmi, thanks for your reply! I found that > export APT_LISTCHANGES_FRONTEND=none and > apt-get -q -y -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o > Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold"

[DNG] Azadi, or: the art of civil-isation (was: Re: systemd==bad)

2016-02-20 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 23:47:47 -0300 Emiliano Marini wrote: > Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't forcing anyone (...) This reminds me so much of this infamous west german thought-terminating cliché to counter any kind of criticism towards the free (as in

Re: [DNG] Azadi, or: the art of civil-isation (was: Re: systemd==bad)

2016-02-20 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:15:59 + Arnt Gulbrandsen <a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no> wrote: > Florian Zieboll writes: > > There is another famous saying, I think originally by Rosa > > Luxemburg: > > > > "Freedom" is always the freedom of the opponent. > &

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-03-01 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 11:04:44 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Twenty years ago X used to have a feature calles X resources, whereby > you could load into the X server (i.e., the screen) a set or options > keyed by a very limited kind of regular expression to specify >

Re: [DNG] Single-board usable with fully free software?

2016-03-10 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:28:46 +0100 aitor_czr wrote: > I've been reading in Internet and now i'm more informed and more > confused. It's not a single board computer, but the Penguin Pocket > Wee GNU: > >

Re: [DNG] What is this? A scam to frighten Devuan DDs? [2]

2016-03-10 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:31:56 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > What is this? I didn't install anything and was running as a normal > unprivileged user. I am taking this as a joke by some pro-systemd > geek. You might need a nap ;) I'd say that this is the default index page of an

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-07 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:38:45 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: > some fresh air, exercise, and a better diet I was told that this cures excess sarcasm, too. /sarcasm Florian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Is Devuan Jessie secure enough?

2016-03-08 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 22:24:56 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Anyone know how to tell roxterm not to use chrome as its default > browser? I've told xfce, and it's now calling firefox, but roxterm > still thinks that when I mouse onto a URL and click "open in browser" >

Re: [DNG] My virtual terminals seem amiss

2016-03-08 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:45:59 + Rainer Weikusat wrote: > JFTR: The point of the [] in > > ps faux | grep get[t]y > > was that it eliminates the grep itself from the output. Would you please elaborate on this magic?! I found a great RegEx reference (1) by

Re: [DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)

2016-04-01 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 12:58:23 -0400 Boruch Baum wrote: > 1] Obnoxious nag messages - All logins to the devuan default desktop > begin with not one but two separate nag messages from xscreensaver. > The first "warns" the user that the version is out of date. The second >

Re: [DNG] NO_PUBKEY

2016-04-26 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:07:25 +0200 Fred DC wrote: > By updating devuan ascii I get the following error: > > Failed to fetch > http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ascii/InRelease The following > signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not > available:

Re: [DNG] desktop environment independent logout tool

2016-05-19 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 19 May 2016 15:29:40 +0200 Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de> wrote: > Here a quick "universal logout" hack for slim: > > ### file: /etc/slim.conf > (...) > login_cmd export slim_session=%session && exec /root/lwrap.sh > (...) Correction

Re: [DNG] desktop environment independent logout tool

2016-05-19 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 19 May 2016 13:51:11 +0200 wrote: > Is there somewhere a desktop independent tool, to logout from an > xsession (and even better: with a suspend and reboot command too :) > )? > > I tried with lxde-logout in a jwm desktop, but apparently that > does not work. > >

Re: [DNG] desktop environment independent logout tool

2016-05-19 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 19 May 2016 15:29:40 +0200 Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de> wrote: > Here a quick "universal logout" hack for slim: That was still a bit too quick, two mistakes (path and name of variable) need to be corrected. Also, the scripts don't need bash... ## f

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

2016-05-22 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 22 May 2016 17:12:35 +0200 wrote: > Anyone here knows, why the hell the installation of xpdf (in devuan) > needs to deinstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks? > > (...) > > dependency spiderweb No spiderwebs or other dust here... (Jessie): | root@nulldevice:~# apt-get

Re: [DNG] Evince

2016-05-23 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 23 May 2016 08:50:15 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > Evince is evil and insane. #721783 is one of many regressions. You > want atril for a fork of evince from before its upstream went > completely bonkers. It's still gnomey but to a far more acceptable > degree.

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

2016-05-12 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 12 May 2016 10:49:15 +0200 aitor_czr wrote: > Sorry for my two latest emails. The date was wrong again... It's due > to the BIOS of one concrete computer. Hi Aitor, if you run openntpd, you could set the '-s' flag under DAEMON_OPTS in /etc/default/openntpd to

Re: [DNG] JWM Package worth the effort? was About subject lines

2016-05-17 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 16 May 2016 21:15:57 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > But of course, if I were ever to set up a GUI computer that used 128MB > RAM, you'd better believe I'd use JWM. I use JWM for the guest account on my old 1GB RAM laptop and vote for a JWM based desktop

Re: [DNG] JWM Package worth the effort? was About subject lines

2016-05-17 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 17 May 2016 14:34:14 +0200 <emnin...@riseup.net> wrote: > Am Tue, 17 May 2016 12:00:02 + > schrieb Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de>: > > > I use JWM for the guest account on my old 1GB RAM laptop and vote > > for a JWM based desktop envi

[DNG] apt pinning vs. Default-Release (was: Dng Digest, Vol 20, Issue 83)

2016-05-16 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 15 May 2016 22:54:33 -0400 ". fsmithred" wrote: > Florian, > > Thanks! I tried pinning backports like that a few weeks ago, and it > didn't work. I thought it was due to changes in the way pinning is > done. I don't think I ever would have figured that one out on my

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 20, Issue 83

2016-05-15 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 15 May 2016 19:43:02 +0200 Irrwahn wrote: > On Sun, 15 May 2016 13:20:47 -0400, Fsmithred wrote: > > I have the following file (or equivalent) any time I have more than > > one release enabled in sources.list: > > > > cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00defaultrelease > >

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

2016-05-15 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 15 May 2016 23:22:07 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > prevarication, violence, misery and corruption Depending on one's personal history, there are many more possibilities to associate these characteristics with: church, (political) executive, family... just to name a few of

Re: [DNG] dealing with wifi

2016-05-14 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sat, 14 May 2016 21:27:17 +0200 wrote: > If you configure wpa_supplicant with ceni (which also does the job for > wired connections, btw) then, the wifi connection on the next boot is > started *BEFORE* the login screen. If you don't need roaming, it's sufficient to have

Re: [DNG] problem installing JRE

2016-04-18 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 21:30:53 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > I'm running devuan alpha4 I assume that there is no other alpha4 than the current Jessie... > Problem is that I can't install > default-jre because the tzdata-java package on which it depends can't > be found. I

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 2 image

2016-05-07 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:44:16 +0200 parazyd wrote: > Devuan Raspberry Pi 2 images are done and ready :) Hi Parazyd, thank you for the image - after having run a (due to the lack of WiFi support in the official image) self compiled OpenWRT on a RPi1b I now have a RPi2 LAN

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

2016-05-25 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 24 May 2016 23:07:33 +0200 Irrwahn wrote: > In my humble opinion a quality distribution like Devuan > should not show a potential weakness at such a crucial > spot by shipping a package in questionable condition. Hallo Irrwahn, in an earlier mail you wrote

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

2016-07-14 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:34:55 -0400 Brian Nash wrote: > The way I got Devuan on my RPI3 was by installing the normal Raspbian > distro, then adding the armhf Devuan repositories to > /etc/apt/sources.list, then re-installing everything and purging > systemd. Assuming that this

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

2016-08-02 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:27:02 -0500 Nate Bargmann wrote: > I've enabled the i386 architecture on my Jessie 1.0 Beta amd64 main > desktop. All is going well except I cannot install the > libgtkhtml-4.0-0:i386 package due to the following: > > $ sudo apt-get install

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