Re: [Dng] pre alpha valentine (secret love declaration)

* On 2015 17 Feb 16:48 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:41:12 -0500 Neo Futur d...@ww7.be wrote: Nate, could you please summarize Luke's question? I haven't been able to completely read any of his posts. its more than just a question, but you probably want :

Re: [Dng] Nice feature for vdev

Steve, On Debian, at least, console fonts and sizes are set in /etc/default/console-setup and your distribution may have something similar. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more:

Re: [Dng] pre alpha valentine (secret love declaration)

And yet I find it telling that none has so far answered Luke's question as to why they are not bothered about the recent changes and direction as he is. Was it bad for me to presume that no one would answer? - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds.

Re: [Dng] pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

* On 2015 16 Feb 12:40 -0600, Svante Signell wrote: Hi, it is a little slow without hardware acceleration: -enable-kvm is the solution here if you have recent Intel/AMD CPUs. Thanks for the tip. I had installed the package but was ignorant of its use (yes, I need to RTFM more often ;-). It

Re: [Dng] vdev status updates

* On 2015 18 Mar 10:40 -0500, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Sounds all very clean and nice. Kudos to Jude! Looking forward to using vdev* eventually Seconded. Thanks for your work the past several weeks, Jude. Good to have you aboard. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

* On 2015 30 Mar 06:37 -0500, etech3 wrote: Nate Did you read the devs name? According to Ivan Gotyaovich Umm, yes, which is partly the reason why I mention my skepticism. Remember, all good humor has a kernel of truth. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

* On 2015 30 Mar 12:05 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: Anyway, this little (disgusting) joke is revealing that some users that are currently tolerating the systemd-nonsense would be quite upset if the systemd-nonsense guys would decide to take the Linux kernel aboard (something that I personally think

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

* On 2015 31 Mar 10:30 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: I think he was probably envisioning Redhat creating a from-scratch kernel. This would further differentiate Redhat, and would lock their users into Redhat. I think Nate's point is Redhat's scared to do that until Redhat has everyone ensnared in

Re: [Dng] plan to install valentine pre-alpha on real hardware.

* On 2015 28 Feb 07:56 -0600, Hendrik Boom wrote: As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, isohybrid did the trick. Oh, yeah, I remember that *now*. Slaps forehead! What I don't know is whether the isohybridized version of the .iso would still work on a CD. If so, it might be effective just

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

* On 2015 28 Feb 17:07 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: As for systemd having tentacles, there is certainly truth to that, but then the same argument could be said of Python or Perl. Both are rooted so far into standard distributions that it is hard to extract them. With all respect, T.J., those

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

* On 2015 05 Mar 07:22 -0600, Jaromil wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2015, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Mutt is on my todo-stack in case you fancy an out-of-the box setup of msmtp, fetchmail, mutt and notmuch search over maildirs plus abook integration, have a look at

Re: [Dng] What if systemd infects the kernel?

* On 2015 28 Feb 19:09 -0600, Go Linux wrote: Either this is an incredibly stupid question or it's the elephant in the room. Why not one response? This inquiring mind would like to know. golinux Actually, it's a good question and some food

Re: [Dng] idea for discussion: why 1 dbus [long e-mail]

* On 2015 25 Feb 10:03 -0600, Godefridus Daalmans wrote: Personally I consider task #2 to do a little discovery and documenting of what kinds of middle-ware I have on my Linux box and how it all interacts (things like: what is akonadi/nepomuk/colord/avahi and do I need all of that). Unless

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

* On 2015 20 Feb 09:03 -0600, Didier Kryn wrote:     Guys, I don't think there is contradiction between server and desktop. There is a difference in the user base and installed applications, not in the OS. dbus and udev/eudev/mdev/vdev/ are just useful services which make life easier if they

Re: [Dng] KDE systemd lock-in

* On 2015 20 Feb 11:56 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:59:33 -0800 Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote: We all knew this was coming . . . KDE Will Depend on 'logind' and 'timedated' in 6 Months https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/20/101235 Following on here

[Dng] OT--Need to access a host behind CGNAT

As I've learned there is a good brain trust on this list, I have a somewhat interesting problem to solve. A few weeks ago due to circumstances beyond my control, I now have Internet access where I am behind Carrier Grade NAT. In other words, my router no longer has a publicly accessible IP

Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

In my case I prefer OpenWRT which uses dnsmasq to handle the task of LAN IP assignments and name resolution. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

Re: [Dng] Debian Dev: anti-systemd people hate women; thus respectable people should not support anti-systemd stance.

* On 2015 02 May 23:47 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 2 May 2015 09:03:30 -0700 DLL Hell trillodllh...@nativeweb.net wrote: For some reason the men in the Linux community who hate women the most seem to have taken a dislike to systemd. I understand that being “conservative” might

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

Well said, T.J. I couldn't find anything to disagree with in your missive. I will also add that now a technical disagreement seems to have morphed into somehow opposing the pet cause of various social justice warriors that now seem to be everywhere. One such recent example is from Debian

Re: [Dng] Would like to help with Devuan

Hi Jeremy. Welcome to the wide, wide, world of Linux and in large measure POSIX. While I am not a distribution packager such as a Debian Developer, I do help maintain an upstream project that is in Debian so my perspective is a bit more broad than a single distribution. You wrote that you're

Re: [Dng] The new forum

Interesting observations, Go. I joined today and made a single post. I did like the split screen feature that shows a preview in real time. As for the theme, so long as it is logical to navigate I am not too concerned. Over the years I've used a lot of Vbulletin and PHPbb sites that have been

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

* On 2015 03 Jun 11:33 -0500, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:25:42 -0300 hellekin helle...@dyne.org wrote: the official Devuan network installer should not, IMO, support this case. It is not against users, but against manufacturers. So you want to punish users, for the

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

* On 2015 03 Jun 08:42 -0500, hellekin wrote: As Devuan offers a pretty easy and automated way to make a custom build, maybe we should take advantage of this, and provide a way for downloading non-free blobs during install, after the detection was made. This way would at least make users

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

* On 2015 03 Jun 16:55 -0500, alexus / dotcommon wrote: On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 20:37:22 +1200 Daniel Reurich dan...@centurion.net.nz wrote: Hi, I'd like a straw poll on whether we should include non-free firmware in our installers by default. So that people should fork Devuan to get a

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

Applause! Daniel, that is a well reasoned approach that puts the users first, gives them information, and gives them the choice. I think that is why we are here, at least I am. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is

Re: [Dng] printing (was Re: Readiness notification)

* On 2015 13 Jun 18:23 -0500, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: What part of systemd are these various (non-systemd) programs leveraging? Is it the sd-notify thingy? If it is that would imply a different course of action than if they are using many different features. I know that CUPS can be run

Re: [Dng] printing (was Re: Readiness notification)

* On 2015 13 Jun 08:08 -0500, LM wrote: Laurent Bercot wrote: As for printing servers, I don't know, but I'd be surprised if cupsd was the only possibility. And if it actually is the only possibility, then we have a bigger problem than just sd_notify: it means that monopolies exist in

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

* On 2015 03 Jul 15:59 -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: Personally, I think that the only solution is the replacement of the package manager with something more akin to a version manager, where you can have multiple versions of the same binary package chains with differing dependencies based on

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 10, Issue 12

* On 2015 04 Jul 10:00 -0500, Roger Leigh wrote: Mostly agreed on all the points you made. But WRT the autotools, they are such a baroque collection of tools, requiring knowledge of a minimum of five languages to use effectively (Bourne shell, m4, make, autoconf and automake), I can't really

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

* On 2015 23 May 23:44 -0500, James Powell wrote: Remember Lennart's remarks about BSD? BSD isn't relevant anymore. It's a toy OS. Interesting quote considering OS/X is built on BSD and he is in the lead of the group chasing Apple's tail lights. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we

Re: [DNG] frontend GUI implementation

* On 2015 23 Aug 09:21 -0500, Edward Bartolo wrote: Although I have a working Lazarus written frontend, I am getting the message, it may not be accepted in Devuan, for the reason it is written in Lazarus Pascal. Therefore, I am considering taking the leap of trying to rewrite it for GTK2 or

Re: [DNG] He who forgets history...

Almost hard to believe that those are nearly 17 years old. I'd been using Linux as my main system since January 1998 and had played with it since September 1996 by dual-booting with DOS/Windows and later Windows '95. To be fair, I think much progress toward ease of use came in the early years of

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

* On 2015 19 Jul 05:22 -0500, Ста Деюс wrote: Good time of the day, Micky. On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:24 +0200 you wrote: I thing mc is useless: Real men don't eat quique. Do not know what is quique, and i'm seems to me, not a real men, but the MC and it mceditor -- are a great

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

Reading some of the links left me about speechless. I seem to recall a time when Debian actions were open to all involved. The requests for clarification of the discussions supposedly leading to the creation of live-build-ng in bug 804315 went unanswered. Besides being heavy-handed and rude, it

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

* On 2015 29 Aug 16:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: Yeah, that isn't a problem, and shouldn't be a problem. Interestingly, in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the mega-metal admins administering hundreds of boxes with hundreds of Docker containers. These guys are telling me systemd is

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

* On 2015 30 Aug 02:27 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: You know why, Nate. You were on Debian-User in the bad old days. Back in the day, how many times did I get called a conspiracy theorist for answering that question. Three words: 1. Follow 2. the 3. money. Sigh, yes, I know. I'm still

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

And all along I thought a dock had to do with a place to put program icons on a desktop and that docker was a tool to handle it. I've ignored everything about virtual machines except for Virtual Box and QEMU. Evidently, I now have to know that a container is a virtual machine. Or is it? Seems

Re: [DNG] Doing away with multi-threading in my project (netman)

Edward, A rather thorough reference is "The Linux Programming Interface" available from: http://www.man7.org/tlpi/ and other retailers. HTH, - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

* On 2015 14 Dec 13:48 -0600, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > What email client do you suggest me to use so that I can properly > quote previous replies? I use gmail's classic webmail interface as my > computer lags with the newer webmail interfaces. I tried claws-mail > without success: the

Re: [DNG] Devuan Weekly News LX

SD now includes a replacement for running ntp/ntpdate to synchronize time so that is being absorbed. It's probably a wash and low on most desktop users list, but one more example of SD becoming your complete middleware system! - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

Thank you, Roger, for a well reasoned and coherent explanation on /usr merge. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

Re: [DNG] meta-comment re. build systems

Hi Miles, et. al. As an upstream developer/maintainer and downstream user of packages both locally built and packaged, I've come to the conclusion that, at least in the case of Debian, building from source is for "those who know what they are doing." On the one hand, given the wide array of

Re: [DNG] meta-comment re. build systems

* On 2015 31 Dec 14:53 -0600, Miles Fidelman wrote: > YUP - made it very clear, and I basically agree with delineation. I tend to > agree with Steve re. when to use, and not use, package management (and with > Joel's comment re. "checkinstall" making it easier to remove things > later. Another

Re: [DNG] Ummmm, no

* On 2015 31 Dec 14:53 -0600, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Can you say "kdbus?" That doesn't worry me much at this stage as unlike at the higher layers where SD support seems to result in support for certain other APIs being removed, the kernel has gained all sorts of features over the years that are

Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock

Sad news. Looks to be legit. Okay, I'm ready for 2015 to be over. :-( - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___

Re: [DNG] Don't feed the troll

This developer has some thoughts on the matter, Mitt: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/openwashing-and-other-deceptions-in-linux/ https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

* On 2015 17 Dec 12:45 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: > I wonder if Devuan could recruit some of the massive brainpower exiting > the Debian project? Did Russ actually leave the project or just the TC. I didn't see anything recent (past couple of months) that hints at anything. I no longer follow

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

* On 2015 25 Nov 00:07 -0600, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:32:31PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Hi Steve et al, > > > > The only problem that comes to my mind about Lazarus and Pascal, is > > many Linux users would not have a Pascal compiler (fpc) > > installed on their

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

* On 2015 23 Nov 00:53 -0600, aitor_czr wrote: > In my opinion, using C with lists will be the most suitable. Have you looked at what glib provides? It is an underlying library of GTK and seems to contain many such solutions. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

* On 2015 23 Nov 06:18 -0600, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Nate, > > Yes, i'm taking a look at this. > > gtk, glib, atk, cairo, pango, gdk-pixbuf... Before you guys go too far down the GTK rabbit hole, which will eventually force you into GTK3, you may want to ponder this:

Re: [DNG] I'm on the list

Full agreement, Steve. As I use Mutt, the L command ensures replies are sent only to the list, just like this one. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

Re: [DNG] man init

* On 2016 04 Jun 04:52 -0500, Jaromil wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jun 2016, Joel Roth wrote: > > > My system is devuan/jessie, upgraded from debian. > > > > It's interesting that 'man init' brings up the > > systemd man page. > > strange! I don't have that on my laptop (installed from devuan >

Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

* On 2016 17 Jan 07:21 -0600, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > A 'consumer' is - by definition - an entirely passive entity, somewhat > like a refuse bin, who is supposed to swallow whatever is to be > put into him by people who control 'production'. I always had in mind one of those pedal operated

Re: [DNG] The perversion continues

I scanned that thread at first and my thought was that Network Manager wasn't being started when he loaded OpenBox. I thought that once configured that NM will have a network connection before its GUI component is even loaded. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

Re: [DNG] Speaking of Window Managers

* On 2016 26 Feb 23:05 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Here's info on dmenu: > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/dmenu > > http://linux.die.net/man/1/dmenu > > http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201406/201406.htm#use_faster_tools_dmenu > > Just for fun, I'd like some opinions. If a

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

* On 2016 26 Feb 17:16 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:46:58 +0100 > Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > > IIUC, LXDE's decision to go Qt was based on the fact that it otherwise > > and rather sooner than later would have to go GTK+ 3, which I see very > > well in

Re: [DNG] Self documenting code

I really never thought I'd see an article on programming that managed to pull both Grace Slick and Culture Club in as a relevant plot vehicles. Well done, Steve. :-D - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

* On 2016 20 Feb 01:17 -0600, dev1fanboy wrote: > Seen this before, I think he is a little gullible in this presentation > to believe there would be a reasonable back and forth and allows a > dialogue to take place during his presentation. The video is about 2 1/2 years old. People could be

Re: [DNG] Microsoft upgrades Windows 7 to 10 without permission

* On 2016 16 Mar 15:21 -0500, Daniel Reurich wrote: > You can uninstall and hide (to prevent from reinstalling) a couple of > updates to get rid of the nags permanently. And "they" say Linux is too hard to use! ;-) - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible

Re: [DNG] [helle...@dyne.org: Re: Missing packages]

* On 2016 29 Apr 16:53 -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > Let me see if I understand you correctly. the package firmware-iwlwifi > is not open software, and so is not available from the devuan package > archive. So > > a) The sources.list line > deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main

Re: [DNG] Missing packages

* On 2016 29 Apr 10:17 -0500, hellekin wrote: > Devuan only packages free software. The non-free archive comes from > Debian. Activate the non-free component, as you would in Debian, and > you should be set. I have my /etc/apt/sources.list set up thusly on my laptop which I just switched over

Re: [DNG] mounting an android phone as usb storage

* On 2016 29 Apr 15:29 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 11:31:29AM -0400, Steven W. Scott wrote: > > Alas, some are, some aren't and it seems to depend on manufacturer. Android > > is a wild-west with tens of thousands of different devices and every > > manufacturer, ISP, and

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

* On 2016 03 May 16:38 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > "Pen testing" My Aunt's Hat! I thought it was trying different Linux distributions from a USB pen. Shrug. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio,

Re: [DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

* On 2016 01 May 15:23 -0500, Daniel Reurich wrote: > Yes it is on my personal todo list. It is the only way to have nicely > integrated vpn connection also. I need this before migrating my wheezy > workstation to Devuan Jessie. So it is urgently needed. Do let me know how I may help, Daniel.

Re: [DNG] Open Letter To Linas Vepstas

* On 2016 01 May 05:04 -0500, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 30/04/2016 23:07, Nate Bargmann a écrit : > > For how long haven't we been reading about and watching various > >videos from FOSS conferences only to realize they're often using the most > >proprietary hardware and softwa

[DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

Hi All. I've completed the upgrade to Devuan Jessie Beta over Debian Jessie on both my laptop and desktop. Nice work! I use Network Manager on my laptop. It is configured for the networks I attach to most frequently and allows a seamless connection when tethering to my Android phone via USB.

Re: [DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

BTW, I've already read the other followups and you have a legitimate question, Hendrik. Here is my 2 cents and why I'm using NM. * On 2016 01 May 18:58 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I use wicd instead of Network Manager, in devan jessie. I don't know > if it will talk to your phone over USB,

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

* On 2016 16 Apr 15:15 -0500, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 16/04/2016 19:47, Noel Torres a écrit : > > > >I regularly use aptitude's CUI (I use to name it as text-mode GUI). Mostly > >because it has that wonderful "Mark as automatically installed" mode, that > >allows packages to be more easily updated

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

* On 2016 16 Apr 16:04 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:19:44PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 16/04/2016 19:47, Noel Torres a écrit : > > > > > >I regularly use aptitude's CUI (I use to name it as text-mode > > >GUI). Mostly because it has that wonderful "Mark as automatically

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

Interesting. I've been using Aptitude in CUI mode since at least 2000 or so and it seems straightforward and reasonably intuitive to me. It is miles ahead of dselect which it replaced. Now that was a horror of a UI. Of course, a dselect lover or two will be along tell me I'm wrong. :-) I've

Re: [DNG] OT: question about mailing lists

* On 2016 27 Jul 12:03 -0500, Brian Nash wrote: > I recently replied to several threads on this list, and in many cases I > forgot to CC the actual list, so the replies only went to one person. I see you're using Mutt. The L command will initiate a reply to the list. - Nate -- "The optimist

Re: [DNG] Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd

* On 2016 29 Jul 17:40 -0500, Rick Moen wrote: > Since then, LXDE has been (recently) pitched because the developers > realised gtk+ 3.x is terrible (something the GNOME, Unity, MATE, > Cinnamon, Unity, etc. people apparently still haven't realised) and > its replacement LXQt is a bit raw but

Re: [DNG] Devuan Sticker Poll

* On 2016 30 Jul 08:40 -0500, hellekin wrote: > On 07/30/2016 11:14 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/uploads/30a5f6a2dbfb5124b4ba8c44a04ef334/devuan_logotype.sh.png > > > > Would look better if the encircled R wasn't there, though. > > > > I

Re: [DNG] Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd

* On 2016 30 Jul 00:12 -0500, Rick Moen wrote: > Wow, I really didn't know that. And I thought I was being pessimistic > and harsh, but maybe I wasn't even harsh enough _by half_. Thanks for that. This is a long read and nearly four years old, but I don't think the situation has improved much:

[DNG] Multiarch issues

I've enabled the i386 architecture on my Jessie 1.0 Beta amd64 main desktop. All is going well except I cannot install the libgtkhtml-4.0-0:i386 package due to the following: $ sudo apt-get install libgtkhtml-4.0-0:i386 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state

Re: [DNG] Help with ALSA, Pulseaudio and Mumble on Devuan

* On 2016 03 Aug 09:05 -0500, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: > When you for one reason or another are stuck with pulseaudio consider > installing Pulseaudio Volume Control. Indeed. I have the built-in anaolg sound, HDMI sound, and a set of USB speakers. I use the analog sound for amateur

Re: [DNG] vdev - udev is a dead end

If all of this is a concern, here is a simple mitigation strategy. This can be done by projects or individuals. First, determine the canonical (not the company) repository for the project in question. Second, clone that repository locally (dead easy with Git). Third, occasionally update the

Re: [DNG] Time sync at startup (was: vdev)

* On 2016 14 Aug 13:36 -0500, richard lucassen wrote: > On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 04:18:09 -0700 > Rick Moen wrote: > > > OK, thanks for the comprehensive comparison. Oddly enough, I don't > > have my regular Linux workstation around at the moment, and cannot > > recall how I

Re: [DNG] Pulling my hair out over a udev rule

I may have swerved into the solution: ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", KERNELS=="1-1.4:1.0", SYMLINK+="ttyUSB99" Time will tell if it survives a reboot... - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio,

[DNG] Pulling my hair out over a udev rule

Posting here since the ratio of intelligence is very high. :-) I'm trying to write a udev rule for a USB to serial adapter that is plugged into a given port (actually my monitor) but am having zero success. First the rule: SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-:00:14.0-usb-0:1.4:1.0-port0",

Re: [DNG] Pulling my hair out over a udev rule

* On 2016 08 Jul 09:18 -0500, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us> writes: > > I may have swerved into the solution: > > > > ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", KERNELS=="1-1.4:1.0", SYMLINK+="ttyUSB99" > > >

Re: [DNG] pepperflashplugin-nonfree

* On 2016 05 Aug 06:56 -0500, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > They won't be using it much longer. Chrome and Firefox are well on > track to phase Flash out entirely over the next year or two. If only I could be so optimistic. :-) We're still receiving telecom equipment new in the box with embedded

Re: [DNG] pepperflashplugin-nonfree

* On 2016 04 Aug 09:44 -0500, richard lucassen wrote: > On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:35:18 +0200 > "info at smallinnovations.nl" wrote: > > > A quick look at debian jessie shows that it is only available for > > AMD64 maybe that is the problem? > > U > > $ uname -a >

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

And, for anyone interested, here is the output of aptitude after the backports repository has been disabled: $ sudo aptitude install libgtkhtml-4.0-0:i386 The following NEW packages will be installed: at-spi2-core{a} glib-networking:i386{a} libaspell15:i386{ab} libatk-bridge2.0-0:i386{a}

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

Anyone? Wrong list? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

Enabling the backports repository seems to be even worse as aptitude now wants to remove all sorts of things. Here is what I get: $ sudo aptitude install libgtkhtml-4.0-0:i386 The following NEW packages will be installed: at-spi2-core{a} glib-networking:i386{a} libaspell15:i386{ab}

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

* On 2016 03 Aug 03:28 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: > I currently have both amd64 and i386 in multiarch, but don't have > libgtkhtml installed, so I haven't had the opportunity to replicate > your issue. Do you have jessie-updates and Debian Jessie backports in > your sources.list? I do have

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over

I chose the second option as it does need a bit more work WRT Network Manager a few small nits. I'm confident these will be completed soon. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and

Re: [DNG] eudev [was: vdev]

Yup, one distribution (he signed with "Red Hat" so was presumably speaking on their behalf) being dictatorial toward the rest. I don't recall that being the foundation the Linux Community was built on when I discovered it 20 years ago. - Nate (Obsolete greybeard) ((But I don't have a beard.))

Re: [DNG] Which license for UMENU2?

* On 2016 24 Aug 10:53 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Yes. I'm now considering GPLv3-only. > > I would *never* consider GPLvAnything+, because I would never agree to > anything I haven't yet seen. I have no way of knowing who will be in > charge of the FSF in ten or twenty years, or from whom they

Re: [DNG] A succinct description of why I avoid systemd

* On 2016 02 Oct 11:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > In the following essay, search for the first occurrance of the word > "fragility". Then read the paragraph containing it and the one after: > > https://www.ft.com/content/b1886cac-841d-11e6-8897-2359a58ac7a5 Stuck behind a pay wall.

Re: [DNG] Firefox nightly [now] requires Pulse Audio

* On 2016 02 Oct 07:11 -0500, Jaromil wrote: > Good summary. In any case I don't think this will be a problem. Good. > BTW I use pulse-audio in Devuan (needed for Skype) without any > problems (and without systemd) Same here except I use it for various amateur radio programs. The use of

Re: [DNG] Why does systemd do such stupid things

* On 2016 06 Nov 10:21 -0600, Rowland Penny wrote: > Why, oh why, did systemd-udevd rename eth0 to eth1 As much as I dislike SD, as other have also mentioned, it is not directly to blame in this case. This bit me long ago as well, long before SD was a gleam in LP's eye. After I

Re: [DNG] /dev/ttyUSBn moving around after wake from suspend

* On 2017 17 Jul 05:15 -0500, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 07/17/2017 12:22 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > [snip] > > http://hintshop.ludvig.co.nz/show/persistent-names-usb-serial-devices/ > > Thanks. Yes, it seems I have udev. The link is helpful, I think it > probably would solve the problem.

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

* On 2017 10 Jul 14:24 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 01:53:09PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. Just because the code is GPL, > > it seems fine by him. > > Sorry, but I really don't see what RMS should do here.

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

* On 2017 10 Jul 12:45 -0500, mdn wrote: > Le 10/07/2017 19:29, zap a écrit : > > I hope linus does something about it. I Really wish stallman would take > > this seriously as a security risk. > I too but RMS just care about licensing and a bit community relations > atm (from what I can observe).

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

* On 2017 10 Jul 20:41 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 05:34:29PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > I believe the Google slogan was "Don't be evil." "First, do no harm" is > from the English translaation of the Hippocratic Oath. Sigh. Just like A

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

* On 2017 30 Jun 00:55 -0500, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Maybe it's me, but what the hell is a DNS resolver doing inside an init > system? The same thing that a time sync (NTP) daemon is doing in there... - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds.

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

* On 2017 01 Jul 08:49 -0500, vmlinux wrote: > It makes more sense when you consider that systemd is a thinly veiled > excuse for an init daemon which really wants to replace every distro > out there with something red hat has more control over. Certainly, that trend has been well established.

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

* On 2017 01 Jul 11:47 -0500, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 10:25:20 -0500 > Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us> wrote: > > > fate accompli > > "Fate" > is very apposite in the circumstance One misspell and a person's reputation is shot forever! :

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