Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd

2015-02-02 Thread Steve Litt
, so why do you come on this list evangelizing systemd, and telling us our efforts are useless? SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-03 Thread Steve Litt
so I think the modular-debian list helped solidify the community so we could take action a month or so later, when we joined up with #Devuan and Dng. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance

Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd

2015-02-02 Thread Steve Litt
://rhsummit.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/summit_demystifying_systemd1.pdf I'm not a Star Trek guy. What is the exact meaning of the two Resistance is Futile slides? What point is the presentation trying to get across? SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training

Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd

2015-02-02 Thread Steve Litt
commands and a few ping commands. But noo. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [Dng] Upgrade paths

2015-01-21 Thread Steve Litt
current information they have to save, how to derive it (the mount command, lshw, lsmod, etc), where to save it, what to do with it when they get to Devuan. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Steve Litt
what I do and using the ancient MBR system until UEFI becomes more solid. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [Dng] libsysdev preview

2015-01-22 Thread Steve Litt
Hi Jude, I thought you were making vdev to plug replace udev. By the way, when it's ready, I have several Epoch and runit experimental setups I'd like to use it on. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance

[Dng] About separate mailing lists

2015-02-11 Thread Steve Litt
be a big mistake. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Guidelines?

2015-02-11 Thread Steve Litt
and good luck everyone, Thanks! SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

2015-02-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:48:02 + KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:36:38AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] Then KatolaZ exactly documented the four steps to installation, and I said I can do that in my sleep, while doing other work! So I did

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Steve Litt
of the rest, without telling my distro to put in all sorts of handyisms for me. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [Dng] pre alpha valentine (secret love declaration)

2015-02-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:40:43 -0600 Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: * On 2015 17 Feb 16:48 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:41:12 -0500 Neo Futur d...@ww7.be wrote: Nate, could you please summarize Luke's question? I haven't been able to completely read any of his

Re: [Dng] pre alpha valentine (secret love declaration)

2015-02-17 Thread Steve Litt
Jaromil. Thank you Devuan community. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] pre alpha valentine (secret love declaration)

2015-02-17 Thread Steve Litt
, could you please summarize Luke's question? I haven't been able to completely read any of his posts. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
:-) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/ttsystemdtt_row_ends_with_debian_getting_forked/ The following is the direct link to Trevor Potts' specific comment: http://m.forums.theregister.co.uk/post/reply/2375127 SteveT Steve Litt

Re: [Dng] pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

2015-02-16 Thread Steve Litt
recent Intel/AMD CPUs. Oh, *that's* why it was so slow. Cool, let me try it again, using -enable-kvm. Thank you Svante! SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Steve Litt
how to organize my workflow and work habits. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
sentence. Very nice! I'd just add one thing: I'm also here because I demand trustworthy software vendors. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [Dng] The Onion Principle

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:48:12 + Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org wrote: To resume the principle: The best way to create a very complex project is to add one layer at a time. I like it! Life's a journey, and a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. SteveT Steve Litt

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
pertinent to Devuan, but it sure as heck is pertinent to me, and probably you and I aren't alone. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
is about as Linux specific as you can get. Trade mag journalists. Can't live with them, can't live without them. :-) SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list

[Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 00:19:55 +0100 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2015-01-30 at 17:39 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. So, what's

Re: [Dng] The countdown

2015-01-25 Thread Steve Litt
will move us to the alpha release - -- nextime This is fantastic news. Thank you Nextime! SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-31 Thread Steve Litt
as packages. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Steve Litt
files which must be compiled into one. Which is why I'll be using either LILO or syslinux, with a 2GB drive as root, whenever I build a desktop, or whenever a laptop goes out of warranty so I can deep six its Windows. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread Steve Litt
in the forseeable future. = Finally, two words to all you people working to get Devuan working: THANK YOU!!! SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:12:38 + KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: Before a few months ago I had never thought that I could ever been forced to leave Debian after about 15 years of using and loving it. I hope that eventually we will see a happy ending to this story, but I don't have good

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, Has modern Linux lost its way?

2015-02-12 Thread Steve Litt
perfectly possible. If you could place these instructions on the web and let us know the URL, I know I'd be eternally grateful, and I bet I'm not alone. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance

[Dng] Nice feature for vdev

2015-02-12 Thread Steve Litt
, and/or maybe even whether or not to use a framebuffer. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, Has modern Linux lost its way?

2015-02-12 Thread Steve Litt
. SteveT SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, Has modern Linux lost its way?

2015-02-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:54:26 +0100 Patrick Erdmann p...@perdmann.de wrote: On 12.02.2015 15:35, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:21:00 + KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 07:33:51AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: [cut] Whilst I am still

Re: [Dng] Nice feature for vdev

2015-02-12 Thread Steve Litt
program would. --Gravis On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi Jude, I have no idea if this would be possible, but if it is, it would be nice. It would be nice if either: * vdev doesn't change the screen resolution/display method

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-12 Thread Steve Litt
more than our users mode. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-18 Thread Steve Litt
, but it's better not to let that hold back our releases, always assuming we're going in the right direction, which we most certainly are right now. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance

Re: [Dng] API: was (for who knows what reason): Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75

2015-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
unlocked init systems (implicitly calling systemd an init system is an understatement). But i don't see systemd in the Devuan universe - that'll completely defeat the purpose. Yes! This is what I was trying to say to T.J. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com

[Dng] Troll accusations and what to do about them: was: rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
, then you win. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] greetings how to help

2015-03-17 Thread Steve Litt
, and it errored out with some VirtualBox error. I forgot the error, and don't have enough time to whip it into working shape. Are there any instructions for using Vagrant with Qemu instead of Virtualbox? SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-21 Thread Steve Litt
. Devuan rejects software that seriously restricts 1-3. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-21 Thread Steve Litt
of that, and if this all makes me petty, I'm proud to be petty. Hey T.J., you're not in ArmstrongLand anymore: *lots* of us here hate everything systemd represents, and don't want the slightest vestige of it on our machines. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-19 Thread Steve Litt
tirelessly to remove the last vestiges of systemd. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Steve Litt
can no longer use Gnumeric or Gimp. Let me give an analogy that's absolutely offtopic here, I use it only as an analogy. Three years ago, I made a policy that no KDE library or software would ever exist on any of Troubleshooters.Com computers, any computers owned by Steve Litt, or any computers

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 09:40:43 -1000 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Steve Litt wrote: What would especially float my boat, once there's a truly depoetterized Devuan, is to have the package manager warn me at 160 decibles if I decide to install something that pulls in any systemd code

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:07:05 +0100 Anto arya...@chello.at wrote: On 20/03/15 16:56, Go Linux wrote: On Fri, 3/20/15, Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Le 19/03/2015 21:15, Steve Litt a écrit : If anyone want's Gnome for Devuan, let that be in a contaminated repository (and yes

Re: [Dng] vdev status updates

2015-03-17 Thread Steve Litt
and kevent, which apparently do some of the same things. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kqueue , it's available in all the major BSDs. So your idea sounds doable, always assuming you can make a high level interface that calls either inotify or kqueue. SteveT Steve Litt* http

Re: [Dng] Devuan Alpha i386 - developers release series on Vagrant

2015-03-07 Thread Steve Litt
/dev/vboxdrv, but suspect that would just make things worse. Any idea how to run this on Wheezy, or how to start narrowing down this problem I'm having? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance

Re: [Dng] Devuan governance

2015-03-13 Thread Steve Litt
___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance

Re: [Dng] greets

2015-03-10 Thread Steve Litt
, etc. Pre-cisely. We don't know our best governance yet. Also, if we don't deliver a distro, all the rest is a moot point. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-24 Thread Steve Litt
debacle increased by an order of magnitude the Linux users who understand the underpinnings of the system and are prepared to take control. This is a Renaissance in the Linux community. Well, except for Debian :-) SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

2015-03-24 Thread Steve Litt
don't have to. This is also a great moment of credibility for Devuan. Keep up the excellent work! SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [Dng] Why daemontools is so cool

2015-03-28 Thread Steve Litt
should be. My program takes care of its business and nothing more, and my program's instance management is up to daemontools, which was designed from the ground up to do that management. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human

Re: [Dng] Why daemontools is so cool

2015-03-28 Thread Steve Litt
. Runit is like a daemontools superset with PID1 functionality and orderly shutdown/reboot. Can't wait to get Devuan installed. Yeah, just put daemontools or daemontools-encore in your /etc/initd, and slowly switch management of your daemons from sysvinit to daemontools. SteveT Steve Litt

Re: [Dng] Why daemontools is so cool

2015-03-28 Thread Steve Litt
more debugging options, and means if you want to write your own daemon, you don't need to worry about any doublefork nonsense, nor write a file with its PID, and all that other hassle. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human

Re: [Dng] Why daemontools is so cool

2015-03-28 Thread Steve Litt
run in the foreground. No need to mess around in the application. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi

Re: [Dng] Why daemontools is so cool

2015-03-30 Thread Steve Litt
, troubleshoot them to find the bottleneck, and fix them, so that they'll start efficiently in your concurrent init. The quicker everything starts in a concurrent init, the less chance for race conditions. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

2015-03-30 Thread Steve Litt
: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm#manjaro_experiments_pre20141217 See the third non-numbered paragraph. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

2015-03-31 Thread Steve Litt
into Redhat. I think Nate's point is Redhat's scared to do that until Redhat has everyone ensnared in their hard-to-remove obfuscation code (otherwise known as systemd). Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean Redhat isn't out to get me. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com

Re: [Dng] Claim your power

2015-03-31 Thread Steve Litt
certainly will hang separately. I think we all should accept each others' motivations for working on Devuan. That's the sure way of guaranteeing that we'll never be doomed to systemd. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance

Re: [Dng] Devuan philosohy

2015-03-31 Thread Steve Litt
. Prototype before polishing. Get it working before you optimize it. 16. Distrust all claims for “one true way”. 17. Design for the future, because it will be here sooner than you think. I think my modifications go a long way toward rejecting faux modularity. SteveT Steve Litt

[Dng] Moderation: was rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-23 Thread Steve Litt
...@spamgourmet.net :0: * ^List-Id:.*dng.lists.dyne.org * ^From.*devuan...@spamgourmet.net $GARBAGE === If everyone votes with their filters, we won't need moderation. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2015-04-01 Thread Steve Litt
In that case, Veteran Unix Admins, I'm going with my plan B: CPM on my Kaypro 2x. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 11:56:03 +0200 Veteran Unix Admins vua-re...@devuan.org wrote: Dear Init

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-02-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:50:56 -0600 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2015-02-27 at 23:38 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: Bottom line is this: If you make a modular system with thin interfaces and sane components, somebody will make a block diagram representing it, accurately

Re: [Dng] three important UI features

2015-02-28 Thread Steve Litt
menu. I do ;-3) And leaving the code as-is might be the faster way to get to Devuan 1.0. And... Leaving the classical menu intact in no way interferes with somebody *also* using dmenu, available at a single hotkey. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com

Re: [Dng] Beginning of Devuan Dmenu Howto

2015-03-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 00:50:04 -0500 (EST) Peter Olson pe...@peabo.com wrote: On March 2, 2015 at 12:07 AM Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi all, In a previous thread I discussed the usefulness and productivity of using dmenu in parallel with the hierarchical menu

[Dng] Can't hit Internet from Valentines

2015-02-28 Thread Steve Litt
txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) root@devuan:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf # Generated by NetworkManager nameserver 10.0.2.3 root@devuan:~# It hangs when I ping known good Google public DNS 8.8.8.8. How do I narrow this down? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt

[Dng] Beginning of Devuan Dmenu Howto

2015-03-01 Thread Steve Litt
there so far at https://git.devuan.org/devuan-doc/manuals/wikis/how-to-use-dmenu-in-devuan SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-01 Thread Steve Litt
to be installed on every distro for the last decade. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Dng] us as tech support

2015-03-01 Thread Steve Litt
minute answers, not to cost the questioner a lot of time when the answer just might be a single sentence. Anyway, I think obviously one of the list's functions should be tech support. Some of us will want to do that, and some would prefer to ignore the question, and that's fine. SteveT Steve

Re: [Dng] KDE systemd lock-in

2015-02-23 Thread Steve Litt
. and I agree on something. I too said KDE would soon be in the systemd bot army. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Steve Litt
, - interchangealility of solutions to a given need, - reduce inter-dependencies to the strict minimum Don't know if KISS goes into details, but maybe it could inspire the logo. KISS Linux? It has rhythm. I think I can dance to it! SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com

Re: [Dng] [philosophy] KISS, roots linux and the logo WAS Re: Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:24:56 -0500 Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:55:02AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 07:10:59PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:27:23 -0500 Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-25 Thread Steve Litt
the 2% benefit of cgroups, whose benefit boils down to, when all the bullfeathers are removed, reaping zombies. Zombies were an irritation to all of us, but we've lived with them for 15 years, and their removal certainly doesn't justify a software V'ger. SteveT Steve Litt* http

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-25 Thread Steve Litt
is built is a good thing. If they want to destroy things, they shouldn't call it work. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [Dng] FreeBSD experiment

2015-02-24 Thread Steve Litt
, even though it's based on Debian. Because, from my perspective, Devuan is addressing a lot of complaints I had about Debian long before systemd rared its ugly head. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance

Re: [Dng] [philosophy] KISS, roots linux and the logo WAS Re: Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-24 Thread Steve Litt
of design and openness If you're talking about Devuan, yes, it is! I got on the Devuan mailing list just to escape systemd, and have been pleasantly surprised by how Devuan is re-architecting everything. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training

Re: [Dng] OT - It may be only one file, but it does point to the bigger problem

2015-02-24 Thread Steve Litt
is me and the library devs pointing fingers at each other. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin

Re: [Dng] KDE systemd lock-in

2015-02-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:33:28 + Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org wrote: On Saturday, 21 de February de 2015 18:52:22 Nate Bargmann escribió: * On 2015 20 Feb 11:56 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:59:33 -0800 Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote: We all knew

Re: [Dng] A New Video and Text I came across.

2015-02-26 Thread Steve Litt
a 10 minute search on this guy, found no resume, no authoritative material, but lots and lots of comments on other peoples' stuff. With friends like Fireicer Cooper, we don't need enemies. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human

Re: [Dng] KDE systemd lock-in

2015-02-20 Thread Steve Litt
entangles itself throughout the core OS, not just user apps. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

2015-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
/litt/badge.svg Just kidding. :-) SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] systemd free badge

2015-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
/administrators. Cheers, IMHO Classic or Classical doesn't yield a value judgement. Of course, somebody who remembers the New Coke debacle would completely see the analogy, but to others, classic might equal neckbeard. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com

Re: [Dng] [philosophy] KISS, roots linux and the logo WAS Re: Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:27:23 -0500 Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:57:29AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: If you're talking about Devuan, yes, it is! I got on the Devuan mailing list just to escape systemd, and have been pleasantly surprised by how Devuan

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-27 Thread Steve Litt
pornography: you can't define it precisely, but you immediately recognise it as soon as you see it ;-P True, but I think Jude's four principles are an ideal starting point that will require less interpretation and exceptions than most others. SteveT Steve Litt* http

[Dng] Why daemontools is so cool

2015-03-27 Thread Steve Litt
write it from his/her knowledge. In my opinion, no matter what init system you're running, daemontools or daemontools-encore is a great addition to make your system more understandable and maintainable. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2015-01-23 Thread Steve Litt
studio version of Ubuntu. I'm sure that Jack is perfect for the dedicated sound enthusiast, but for the average guy, Jack just might be the only thing that could cause more failure than Pulse. Jack is very, very complicated. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com

Re: [Dng] Story: Debian Jessie laptop without systemd

2015-04-26 Thread Steve Litt
to set up. Running the Wicd daemon and using the Wicd-gtk client is an alternative that takes more keystrokes. Alternatively, some day I'm going to create an nCurses equivalent of NetworkManager, but not any time soon. SteveT Steve Litt Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http

Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image

2015-04-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:34:53 +0200 Peter Maloney peter.malo...@yahoo.ca wrote: On 04/28/2015 12:07 AM, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 04/27/15 11:37 PM, Steve Litt wrote: OpenRC edition was astounding. looks great :) (I am currently using Manjaro-openrc) Do you have any instructions

[Dng] OT: How do I keep my Wheezy from upgrading itself to Jessie?

2015-04-28 Thread Steve Litt
a situation where I'd need to shut down my business and immediately convert to Manjaro OpenRC edition. I'd rather make an orderly transition to Dng, on my own timetable. So, anyone know how to prevent my Wheezy box from converting itself to Jessie? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt April 2015 featured

Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image

2015-04-27 Thread Steve Litt
through every component. You heard that from a guy who installed Epoch on both Manjaro and Manjaro OpenRC edition. The decreased difficulty installing it to the OpenRC edition was astounding. SteveT Steve Litt April 2015 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http

Re: [Dng] Debian Dev: anti-systemd people hate women; thus respectable people should not support anti-systemd stance.

2015-05-02 Thread Steve Litt
, to maximize mine, I did this: = # Anti-systemd people hate women intellectual DLL Hell :0: * From.*trillodllh...@nativeweb.net * ^(To|Cc).*dng@lists.dyne.org $GARBAGE = SteveT Steve Litt April 2015 featured book

Re: [Dng] OT: How do I keep my Wheezy from upgrading itself to Jessie?

2015-04-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:33:05 +0300 Lars Noodén lars.noo...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/28/2015 04:30 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 09:27:57AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, While I wait for Dng to mature and become my daily driver OS, I'm continuing to limp along

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-29 Thread Steve Litt
-mounted versions of those directories. Who knows, maybe then we could eliminate the initramfs step entirely. :-) I don't know how practical any of this would be, but I've never been a big fan of initrd/initramfs, and the one on my Wheezy has hair and teeth. SteveT Steve Litt April 2015 featured book

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

2015-05-05 Thread Steve Litt
(doesn't that sound like an oxymoron?) can do the same thing. We're not stopping them. SteveT Steve Litt May 2015 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

2015-05-05 Thread Steve Litt
of systemd code in Devuan. If someone wants Devuan with systemd, there's a word for that: Debian. SteveT Steve Litt May 2015 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

2015-05-05 Thread Steve Litt
into this whole thing, what was the original question? What exact thing are we arguing whether or not to include in Devuan? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt May 2015 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz

Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

2015-05-05 Thread Steve Litt
level 4 containment facility. SteveT Steve Litt May 2015 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Suckless init and friends

2015-05-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 09 May 2015 09:26:23 +0200 Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote: Le 08/05/2015 20:28, Steve Litt a écrit : This email isn't a recommendation for the Devuan distribution, it's just some interesting info for the more DIY members of the Devuan community. Dear Steve, I think

Re: [Dng] A novice attempt to speed up Devuan development

2015-05-14 Thread Steve Litt
of the OCLUG Linux mailing list. SteveT Steve Litt May 2015 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[Dng] Document on using Qemu for Linux DIY

2015-05-14 Thread Steve Litt
it. SteveT Steve Litt May 2015 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[Dng] How to bust into a broken Qemu VM?

2015-05-15 Thread Steve Litt
you can boot from the cdrom but somehow also access the existing hard disk borked VM image. So how do you bust back into a borked VM? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt May 2015 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz

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