Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-10-26 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 28.05.2016 11:25, Didier Kryn wrote: > He's the guru of a new sect. Lennartist Church. Or maybe Lennartist Party - striving for a world revolution ... :o --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-06-01 Thread Emiliano Marini
+1 On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > Since programming is done by people, who often have a motive behind > their actions, the question as to why this is happening is not > technical, but sociological. The new 'winds of change' that are >

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-30 Thread BohwaZ
Relevant tmux bug: https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428 Apparently upstream doesn't want to add a dependency upon systemd. Good on them. -- bohwaZ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-30 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 29/05/2016 18:11, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : "Never attribute to malice what could equally well be explained by mere stupidity" Stupidity is what saves humanity from the few people or organizations who have gained excessive power. It is one of the most necessary human qualities -

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 29 May 2016 17:11:38 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Edward Bartolo writes: > > [...] > > > I firmly belief that those who are implementing these changes > > understand the shortcomings of their new solutions, but they are > > paid to implement

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 29 May 2016 08:20:01 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Follow the money to understand why all this is happening. More users > mean more customers, more customers mean more support, and finally > more support means more gain. I totally agree we should follow the money. Too

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 29 May 2016 08:20:01 +0200, Edward wrote in message

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, I wouldn't be here had I not been keen on conserving choice in GNU/Linux. I also actively contributed by submitting code to git.devuan.org. Systemd, has to evolve quite a lot to satisfy my needs. It has to above all support free software choice. Lock-ins are not choice as they restrict it

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Dan Purgert
Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > Since programming is done by people, who often have a motive behind > their actions, the question as to why this is happening is not > technical, but sociological. The new 'winds of change' that are > affecting free unix like OSs like Linux, are powered by a

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 29 May 2016 08:43:56 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: > experience has shown that consensus is wonderful. Can't stress this enough. But how to share this wonderful experience of social empowerment? Florian ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Aldemir Akpinar
> > > I firmly belief that those who are implementing these changes > understand the shortcomings of their new solutions, but they are paid > to implement them, and pay is much more important than all > philosophical and technical reasons put together. After all, it is > money that counts. > Well

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/29/2016 04:13 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi, The last statement is not an expression of my opinion but sadly what the majority think. Yes, I too hold the belief that 'veracity' is of prime importance. Edward, I am glad you clarified that and I am glad to be in such good company!

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, The last statement is not an expression of my opinion but sadly what the majority think. Yes, I too hold the belief that 'veracity' is of prime importance. Edward On 29/05/2016, Simon Walter wrote: > > > On 05/29/2016 03:20 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> After all, it is

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/29/2016 03:20 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: After all, it is money that counts. I am of the opinion that it is veracity that counts. I am also of the opinion that there are many who share the previous opinion with me. Therefore not all software will cater to the ignorant.

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread メット
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2016年5月29日 8:43:56 JST, Simon Walter wrote: >On 05/28/2016 09:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> This means the leading sentence would be more appropriately worded as > >> "In my opinion, it's actually quite strange that

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi All, Since programming is done by people, who often have a motive behind their actions, the question as to why this is happening is not technical, but sociological. The new 'winds of change' that are affecting free unix like OSs like Linux, are powered by a deep belief that users are often

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/28/2016 09:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: This means the leading sentence would be more appropriately worded as "In my opinion, it's actually quite strange that UNIX(*) enables users of the system to run background jobs". Well put! On 05/29/2016 02:48 AM, Steve Litt wrote: I see

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 28 May 2016 09:57:18 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > And here you find an educated explanation, directly from "The Mind" > who is driving the revolution of this centrury: > >

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat
KatolaZ writes: [...] > And here you find an educated explanation, directly from "The Mind" > who is driving the revolution of this centrury: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/XW7V5A3RAWYCACU2ZMPA27ARRLIZUI37/ That's

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-28 Thread Dan Purgert
KatolaZ wrote: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825394 > > Posted yesterday on the IRC channel #devuan. It'a already in > Debian/sid. And apparently is there to stay. The real reason for such > an "important feature" enabled by default? Cleaning up hanging > processes left over

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-28 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 28/05/2016 10:57, KatolaZ a écrit : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825394 Posted yesterday on the IRC channel #devuan. It'a already in Debian/sid. And apparently is there to stay. The real reason for such an "important feature" enabled by default? Cleaning up hanging

[DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-28 Thread KatolaZ
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825394 Posted yesterday on the IRC channel #devuan. It'a already in Debian/sid. And apparently is there to stay. The real reason for such an "important feature" enabled by default? Cleaning up hanging processes left over by GNOME, in the first