Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
IMHO As a distro I don't give much thought to Slackware despite it being a simple and quality distro. I've always needed dependencies resolved right from the installer. But I think it's in our interest to help since they do maintain a popular systemd free distro there. If nothing else then just pointing out the troubles they have. The less systemd-free distros we have, the more upstream is going to be pushed into non optional systemd support. Cheers, chillfan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > I understand that. I didn't say not to discuss the Slackware > situation. It's just that Devuan communications, except for the > forum, have gone to less than a trickle. Would be nice to have some > energy going into Beowulf etc. Yes, I know many are on holiday in > August but not that much has happened since the stable release. > Hoping things might pickup a bit. I believe a community dynamic is healthy when solidarity replaces competition: in our case Slackware and Gentoo are not competitors, but venerable projects that can share valuable experience and also upstream tools with Devuan, while they have a larger user base and common goals and ethics. If any of such projects raises an emergency flag, we are called to exercise solidarity even beyond the understandable latency of vacation periods. That's what I felt like doing, while reading online sporadically once per week. About beowulf the first step to help is start running it, only this way we can find problems. Or in your case start thinking of a design approach for it :^) I think you are running ahead with that already. I run Beowulf since the ASCII stable release, other devs as well. The only problem I have is with the ZFS modules compiled with DKMS, haven't had time to investigate that, but suspect people more expert than me on ZFS internals may have already proposed solutions on the devuan-dev list. All the above considered, I think you are right to call all of us to stick to our mission and nurture our project. Sometimes I wonder how solidarity is perceived by big-fish eat-it-all distros like Debian or Ubuntu: what if they would take a less solipsistic approach, recognise young efforts like Devuan as a distro that saved a good portion of their user base and nurture it by means of infrastructure and donations? The world of FOSS would be a better place. Rather than complain about their competing behavior, I believe we are called to show how to improve our communities. Our solidarity to Slackware is a call to everyone, to care about each other and to be excellent to each other. ciao! -- Denis Roio a.k.a. Jaromil http://Dyne.org think tank Ph.D, CTO & co-foundersoftware to empower communities ⚷ crypto κρυπτο крипто गुप्त् 加密 האנוסים المشفره GnuPG: 6113D89C A825C5CE DD02C872 73B35DA5 4ACB7D10 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 03:19:23PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: [cut] > > All of that is true and I'm not suggesting otherwise. I just wish that > there was as much urgency to move Beowulf forward as there is to support > Slackware. Currently, things have ground to a halt. I want Devuan to > survive too!! > golinux, I think this rant is not justified. ASCII drained a lot of resources out of all of us, and was released just 50 days ago. On top of that, works are in progress on the infrastructure (news soon) and on the long-term plan for Beowulf and beyond (see libnosystemd, or whatever will be called). I worked in the last two days to solve some issues in d1h and to import the info about Debian repos from the new salsa.debian.org. Will release a new version soon. Development does not proceed just by discussing about Devuan here, unfortunately :) My2Cents -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:58:54 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > With all due respects to Slackware, can't we find anything about > Devuan to discuss? I agree there are more topical things to discuss, but there's also nothing wrong with setting an uninteresting thread to ignore if it's bothersome. My email client allows that, though I'm struggling to get it right. I argue that people need to shoot the shit to forge common bonds, and that it's part of the percolation/rest between bursts of activity. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
I'm really disturbed by Pat's problems, especially because they've been ongoing. I'm so jaded that half of me thinks this is a fund raising con. On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 09:03:24 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > I am in favor of facilitating the strong passion of people who like to > "just do it" ... Related: In the early history of wikis, removing barriers to entry to participation created a "be bold" philosophy using loginless editing and markup languages. Allowing everymen to contribute had the very rare (think Price's Law[1]) possibility of extremely uncommon folk contributing. Well.. what evolved for wikis is a shadow of the Benevolent Dictator For Life (BDFL): Coordinated cliques. Higher technical requirements doesn't allow that. We need the old mentor-mentee / master-apprentice concept back, for all kinds of reasons aside from the bus factor[2] that I'd drone on about for too long. -- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_J._de_Solla_Price Price's law pertains to the relationship between the literature on a subject and the number of authors in the subject area, stating that half of the publications come from the square root of all contributors. Thus, if 100 papers are written by 25 authors, five authors will have contributed 50 papers. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor A measurement of the risk resulting from information and capabilities not being shared among team members, from the phrase "in case they get hit by a bus". ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On 2018-08-02 13:23, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:58:54 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: With all due respects to Slackware, can't we find anything about Devuan to discuss? I think the Slackware discussion revolves around recognition that the evolution of Linux went right through Slackware. The following according to https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg : Looks to me like the SLS distro was tied for the second oldest. The oldest was the never heard of MCC Interim, and the other tie for second was the never heard of TAMU. The oft mistaken for oldest yggdrasil was actually a couple months younger than SLS. A little more than a year after SLS was born, Patrick Volkerding forked SLS and called it Slackware. This fork was contemporaneous with the creation of Debian, and predated the creation of Red Hat by about four months. In other words, Slackware was a pioneer extremely influential on the adoption of Linux. Of the three 1993 distros still alive and still being forked today, Slackware was the closest to the metal (with Redhat being the most "user friendly", surprise surprise). Every Linux user, especially every Linux user who wants to get under the hood, owes a great deal to Patrick and Slackware. And of course, if Slackware perishes, that's one less sans-systemd distro, making Devuan a little less credible. SteveT All of that is true and I'm not suggesting otherwise. I just wish that there was as much urgency to move Beowulf forward as there is to support Slackware. Currently, things have ground to a halt. I want Devuan to survive too!! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:58:54 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > With all due respects to Slackware, can't we find anything about > Devuan to discuss? I think the Slackware discussion revolves around recognition that the evolution of Linux went right through Slackware. The following according to https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg : Looks to me like the SLS distro was tied for the second oldest. The oldest was the never heard of MCC Interim, and the other tie for second was the never heard of TAMU. The oft mistaken for oldest yggdrasil was actually a couple months younger than SLS. A little more than a year after SLS was born, Patrick Volkerding forked SLS and called it Slackware. This fork was contemporaneous with the creation of Debian, and predated the creation of Red Hat by about four months. In other words, Slackware was a pioneer extremely influential on the adoption of Linux. Of the three 1993 distros still alive and still being forked today, Slackware was the closest to the metal (with Redhat being the most "user friendly", surprise surprise). Every Linux user, especially every Linux user who wants to get under the hood, owes a great deal to Patrick and Slackware. And of course, if Slackware perishes, that's one less sans-systemd distro, making Devuan a little less credible. SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Hi, El 01/08/18 a las 23:10, goli...@dyne.org escribió: Would be nice to have some energy going into Beowulf etc. Yes, I know many are on holiday in August but not that much has happened since the stable release. Hoping things might pickup a bit. I'm still working on simple-netaid this month. My last steps are related with intltool, gettext... and how to integrate them in cmake. And it's done :) Simple-netaid will be multilingual; so, we'll need the help of some translators. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On 2018-08-01 15:38, Dave Turner wrote: On 01/08/18 19:58, goli...@dyne.org wrote: With all due respects to Slackware, can't we find anything about Devuan to discuss? ___ Slackware is an important part of the linux infrastructure, as is gentoo. They are our co-conspirators in our battle against systemd. (I find Slackware to be really hard work to get the software I want installed the way I want but I don't want it to die) DaveT ___ I understand that. I didn't say not to discuss the Slackware situation. It's just that Devuan communications, except for the forum, have gone to less than a trickle. Would be nice to have some energy going into Beowulf etc. Yes, I know many are on holiday in August but not that much has happened since the stable release. Hoping things might pickup a bit. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On 01/08/18 19:58, goli...@dyne.org wrote: With all due respects to Slackware, can't we find anything about Devuan to discuss? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Slackware is an important part of the linux infrastructure, as is gentoo. They are our co-conspirators in our battle against systemd. (I find Slackware to be really hard work to get the software I want installed the way I want but I don't want it to die) DaveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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With all due respects to Slackware, can't we find anything about Devuan to discuss? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On 01/08/18 14:17, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 16:36:57 -0700, Bruce wrote in message : Pretty funny. He just can't step away from hacking the distribution long enough to do anything else, but I guess be with his family. I don't see how he's going to resolve his own issues this way. ..does he _have_ a lawyer? Find out. IMNTHO and IME the very first step to resolve such issues. One of the books in my library tells you how to build powerful Harley engines. The preface includes the magnificent line "all of this is cheap compared to airplane racing and legal fees. Ready?" So no. I don't think he does have a lawyer. DaveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 16:36:57 -0700, Bruce wrote in message : > Pretty funny. He just can't step away from hacking the distribution > long enough to do anything else, but I guess be with his family. I > don't see how he's going to resolve his own issues this way. ..does he _have_ a lawyer? Find out. IMNTHO and IME the very first step to resolve such issues. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
For those not wanting to use PayPal, Pat posted his mailing address: PO BOX 172, Sebeka, MN 56477 https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-slackware-4175634729/page31.html#post5886096 About which he says it's not a secret as it has been in the slackware.com whois domain listing for years. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 04:36:57PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > > Pretty funny. He just can't step away from hacking the > > distribution long enough to do anything else, but I guess be with > > his family. I don't see how he's going to resolve his own issues > > this way. > > > > It's plain incredible, not just funny, and also encouraging, in a > weird way. That's probably why nobody can stop free software by any > means: it woud be like trying to extinguish a volcano with a jug of > water... Romanticism aside, I believe Bruce has a point here: no doubts the creativity of a few geniuses can motivate people to develop and maintain projects of large proportions, Slackware being one of the biggest I can think of. The technical development activity alone is not sufficient for a project to thrive: more different people need to be involved and sustainability envisioned within the boundaries and resources that the project offers. I am in favor of facilitating the strong passion of people who like to "just do it", being one myself, minimising the distractions, but still the project's success depends from certain conditions to take place, mainly I can think of briefly: healthy delegation model based on skills rather than authority; horizontal governance that opens the agency to different expertise; an healthy community and clear communication channels; etc. This is a rather big topic for me, having devoted to it most of my late academic research and ultimately being the mission the Dyne.org foundation pursues in facilitating unique software projects to thrive without being killed by profit-driven agendas, but community and quality driven processes. ciao -- Denis Roio a.k.a. Jaromil http://Dyne.org think tank Ph.D, CTO & co-foundersoftware to empower communities ⚷ crypto κρυπτο крипто गुप्त् 加密 האנוסים المشفره GnuPG: 6113D89C A825C5CE DD02C872 73B35DA5 4ACB7D10 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 04:36:57PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > Pretty funny. He just can't step away from hacking the distribution long > enough to do anything else, but I guess be with his family. I don't see how > he's going to resolve his own issues this way. > It's plain incredible, not just funny, and also encouraging, in a weird way. That's probably why nobody can stop free software by any means: it woud be like trying to extinguish a volcano with a jug of water... HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
Pretty funny. He just can't step away from hacking the distribution long enough to do anything else, but I guess be with his family. I don't see how he's going to resolve his own issues this way. On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:59:44 -0500 > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > > For now you'll have to accept that the latest communication the > > Slackware forum has from Pat is via his 27 July entry in the > > ChangeLog.txt file: > > > > http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt > > The preceding is the evidence I needed, so I contributed. Thanks Nate. > > SteveT > > > Steve Litt > Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence > http://www.troubleshooters.com/key > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder, Open Source Initiative President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom Initiative. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:59:44 -0500 Nate Bargmann wrote: > For now you'll have to accept that the latest communication the > Slackware forum has from Pat is via his 27 July entry in the > ChangeLog.txt file: > > http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt The preceding is the evidence I needed, so I contributed. Thanks Nate. SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Has there been any further communication from Patrick? He didn't answer my email. Thanks Bruce On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 9:58 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 08:39:45AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > On 07/29/2018 08:33 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 17:48:12 -0700 > > > Bruce Perens wrote: > > > > > > > He hasn't answered. I did send $100. Hopefully he'll get out of his > > > > situation. > > > > > > How and to what email or domain did you make the contribution? How > > > comfortable are you that your $100 will actually get to him? > > > > > > I've been holding off until I can find a contribution method I'm > > > certain will get to him and not his parasites. > > > > > > "Fri Jul 27 21:01:22 UTC 2018 > > Hey folks, my first order of business here needs to be a huge thank you > to > > everyone who has donated at https://paypal.me/volkerdi to help keep this > > project going." > > ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt > > Looks legit. I have donated as well. Slackware cannot die. > > HND > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > -- Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder, Open Source Initiative President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom Initiative. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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* On 2018 31 Jul 01:46 -0500, aitor_czr wrote: > I couldn't find the new explaining what happened to Patrick. Here is the > link containing the letter: > > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/%5Bslackware%5D-patrick-needs-help-255700/ > > He also gives his phone number (only for medical aid). That thread is nearly 14 years old. For now you'll have to accept that the latest communication the Slackware forum has from Pat is via his 27 July entry in the ChangeLog.txt file: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt At this time there is only the PayPal.me link that Pat provided as a means of helping him and his family out as detailed in this post: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-slackware-4175634729/page11.html#post5883695 - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Hi, El 26/07/18 a las 22:46, Jaromil escribió: dear fellow dng'ers let me bring your attention to this recent and sad message by Patrick Volkerding, founder and maker of Slackware, a distribution we all owe much in many different ways: knowledge, spirit, honesty and minimalism https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-slackware-4175634729/#post5882751 it is a sad story and I encourage everyone to donate to Slackware. He has now published this account of hishttps://www.paypal.me/volkerdi the last thing we need is a systemd-free distro to disappear and especially in this case, being Slackware. At Dyne.org we will also consider a donation. Thanks to VUAs for bringing this to my attention. in solidarity, ciao I couldn't find the new explaining what happened to Patrick. Here is the link containing the letter: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/%5Bslackware%5D-patrick-needs-help-255700/ He also gives his phone number (only for medical aid). Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 08:39:45AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/29/2018 08:33 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 17:48:12 -0700 > > Bruce Perens wrote: > > > > > He hasn't answered. I did send $100. Hopefully he'll get out of his > > > situation. > > > > How and to what email or domain did you make the contribution? How > > comfortable are you that your $100 will actually get to him? > > > > I've been holding off until I can find a contribution method I'm > > certain will get to him and not his parasites. > > > "Fri Jul 27 21:01:22 UTC 2018 > Hey folks, my first order of business here needs to be a huge thank you to > everyone who has donated at https://paypal.me/volkerdi to help keep this > project going." > ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt Looks legit. I have donated as well. Slackware cannot die. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On 07/29/2018 08:33 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 17:48:12 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: He hasn't answered. I did send $100. Hopefully he'll get out of his situation. How and to what email or domain did you make the contribution? How comfortable are you that your $100 will actually get to him? I've been holding off until I can find a contribution method I'm certain will get to him and not his parasites. "Fri Jul 27 21:01:22 UTC 2018 Hey folks, my first order of business here needs to be a huge thank you to everyone who has donated at https://paypal.me/volkerdi to help keep this project going." ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware 14.2-64 - KDE 4.14.32 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 17:48:12 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: > He hasn't answered. I did send $100. Hopefully he'll get out of his > situation. How and to what email or domain did you make the contribution? How comfortable are you that your $100 will actually get to him? I've been holding off until I can find a contribution method I'm certain will get to him and not his parasites. SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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He hasn't answered. I did send $100. Hopefully he'll get out of his situation. On Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 5:46 PM Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 at 14:11:32 -0700 > Bruce Perens wrote: > > > I offered to introduce him to some lawyers. I've certainly made good use > of > > them over the past year. Were it not for good lawyers willing to work > cheap > > or free, I'd be in some hot water right now. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bruce > > Thank you, Bruce. That's a very helpful initiative, much more than > anything I could do. I hope Patrick will soon get out of the troubled > waters > he's in right now. > > > Alessandro > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 at 14:11:32 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: > I offered to introduce him to some lawyers. I've certainly made good use of > them over the past year. Were it not for good lawyers willing to work cheap > or free, I'd be in some hot water right now. > > Thanks > > Bruce Thank you, Bruce. That's a very helpful initiative, much more than anything I could do. I hope Patrick will soon get out of the troubled waters he's in right now. Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 22:46:17 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-slackware-4175634729/#post5882751 Thanks for sharing. Six more pages were added while I was reading the thread.. people really care. My roots are from Slackware, and I've always been both encouraged and worried about its benevolent dictator model. I hope to join those others in contributing. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
* On 2018 26 Jul 18:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Bruce, > > It sounds like you have personal contact with him. Do you have for sure > knowledge as to whether the https://www.paypal.me/volkerdi is Patrick's > and funds I put in it would actually go to Patrick? I'm reasonably certain that it is Patrick's PayPal as he posted the link in the Linux Questions thread using his LQ account. When I made a donation it had his picture on the page. At this time I am confident that he received the money I sent. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
Not a Bruce, but... Source reference for that address is on page 11 on the LinuxQuestions.org thread quoted by Jaromil below. Here's a direct link. Decide for yourself, or wait for http://www.slackware.com/ to post. https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-slackware-4175634729/page11.html#post5883695 Steve Litt wrote: > >Bruce, > >It sounds like you have personal contact with him. Do you have for sure >knowledge as to whether the https://www.paypal.me/volkerdi is Patrick's >and funds I put in it would actually go to Patrick? >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Jaromil wrote: >> >> > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-slackware-4175634729/#post5882751 -- This signature intentionally left blank. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
Bruce, It sounds like you have personal contact with him. Do you have for sure knowledge as to whether the https://www.paypal.me/volkerdi is Patrick's and funds I put in it would actually go to Patrick? Thanks, SteveT On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:11:32 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: > I offered to introduce him to some lawyers. I've certainly made good > use of them over the past year. Were it not for good lawyers willing > to work cheap or free, I'd be in some hot water right now. > > Thanks > > Bruce > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Jaromil wrote: > > > > > dear fellow dng'ers > > > > let me bring your attention to this recent and sad message by > > Patrick Volkerding, founder and maker of Slackware, a distribution > > we all owe much in many different ways: knowledge, spirit, honesty > > and minimalism > > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/ > > donating-to-slackware-4175634729/#post5882751 > > > > it is a sad story and I encourage everyone to donate to Slackware. > > He has now published this account of his > > https://www.paypal.me/volkerdi > > > > the last thing we need is a systemd-free distro to disappear and > > especially in this case, being Slackware. At Dyne.org we will also > > consider a donation. Thanks to VUAs for bringing this to my > > attention. > > > > in solidarity, > > > > ciao > > > > ___ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
I offered to introduce him to some lawyers. I've certainly made good use of them over the past year. Were it not for good lawyers willing to work cheap or free, I'd be in some hot water right now. Thanks Bruce On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Jaromil wrote: > > dear fellow dng'ers > > let me bring your attention to this recent and sad message by Patrick > Volkerding, founder and maker of Slackware, a distribution we all owe > much in many different ways: knowledge, spirit, honesty and minimalism > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/ > donating-to-slackware-4175634729/#post5882751 > > it is a sad story and I encourage everyone to donate to Slackware. He > has now published this account of his https://www.paypal.me/volkerdi > > the last thing we need is a systemd-free distro to disappear and > especially in this case, being Slackware. At Dyne.org we will also > consider a donation. Thanks to VUAs for bringing this to my attention. > > in solidarity, > > ciao > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder, Open Source Initiative President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom Initiative. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
