Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-28 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 28/04/2020 à 17:05, aitor a écrit :     I guess the policy in Debian is to install network-manager and not ifupdown. I don't know what ifupdown2 does;it is incompatible with ifplugd. Maybe it is able to detect by itself that an Ethernet cable is connected. I'm not pretty sure at this

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-28 Thread aitor
On 28/4/20 17:05, aitor wrote: I'm not pretty sure at this point. Maybe ifplugd breaks with ifupdown2 due to its dependency on ifupdown, being this second one more veteran than the first one. I have no arguments to affirm wether ifplugd works or not with ifupdown2 because the debian/control

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-28 Thread aitor
Hi Didier, On 28/4/20 14:50, Didier Kryn wrote:     Thanks Aitor for having investigated this and found a solution, though I'm not sure the cause of the delay if fully understood.     The interfaces file describes actions which ifupdown performs  to set interfaces up and down, plus two

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-28 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 26/04/2020 à 17:39, aitor a écrit : Hi, On 9/4/20 18:16, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 09/04/2020 à 16:13, dal a écrit : Hello and thanks for Beowulf. An issue: it looks like    devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_netinstall.iso    and the base system installable from it do not contain the

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-26 Thread Tito via Dng
On 4/26/20 7:43 PM, aitor wrote: > Hi, > >> On 9/4/20 18:16, Didier Kryn wrote: >>>     I remember this was also the case in a previous version, wether Jessie >>> or Ascii. Obviously this isn't an issue when upgrading. I also remind you >>> that the startup delay caused by the timed-out

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-26 Thread aitor
Hi, On 9/4/20 18:16, Didier Kryn wrote:     I remember this was also the case in a previous version, wether Jessie or Ascii. Obviously this isn't an issue when upgrading. I also remind you that the startup delay caused by the timed-out activation of the Ethernet interface (when not plugged

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-26 Thread aitor
Hi, On 9/4/20 18:16, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 09/04/2020 à 16:13, dal a écrit : Hello and thanks for Beowulf. An issue: it looks like    devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_netinstall.iso    and the base system installable from it do not contain the ifupdown package (nor other networking

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-21 Thread Alexis PM via Dng
I add other installer bug to the list: locales wrong configured. In the installer, I choose Spanish (Spain). In the "additional locales" step, I don't add any, the header of the dialog indicates that "es_ES.UTF-8" is already selected, and "es_ES.UTF-8" is not in the list of additional locales,

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-21 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi, Antony Stone writes: > On Monday 20 April 2020 at 02:51:51, Gregory Nowak wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 08:14:14AM +, dal wrote: >> > The option to uninstall does not resolve the main problem, which should >> > be fixed upstream. >> >> I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-20 Thread Mark Hindley
Alexis, On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 01:03:47PM +, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: >* libsystemd0 is installed. Note: it is a minimal installation (I >didn't select anything in installation tasksel). Unfortunately Debian's apt in buster depends on libsystemd0. See https://bugs.devuan.org/355 We

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-20 Thread Alexis PM via Dng
Hello Forgive the brief text and the insufficient review of whether what I indicate has already been reported, but I have little time and wanted to indicate a few things just in case: devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_netinstall.iso doesn't work: Initramfs unpacking failed: write error touch:

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 20 April 2020 at 02:51:51, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 08:14:14AM +, dal wrote: > > The option to uninstall does not resolve the main problem, which should > > be fixed upstream. > > I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree here. If someone connects a > braille

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-19 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 08:14:14AM +, dal wrote: > The option to uninstall does not resolve the main problem, which should be > fixed upstream. I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree here. If someone connects a braille display which is supposed to work but doesn't, The log messages would

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-19 Thread dal
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak Sent: den 19 april 2020 05:22 [skipped] For those who don't need brltty and who find the log messages a problem, uninstalling brltty should resolve the issue. -- The option to uninstall

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 09:31:51PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I never thought about this before, but I think all packages for blind > people should come with all standard packages. Doing so avoids the > buried shovel situation where the blind person could install the > packages for blind people if

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:05:25 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 12:00:18, dal wrote: > > > Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of > > > > brltty[...]: file system mount error: usbfs[brltty-usbfs] -> > > /var/run/brltty/usbfs: No such device > > Did you

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread dal
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng Sent: den 18 april 2020 13:47 If the OP has task-console-productivity installed it might be a Devuan specific issue. The brltty package is recommended there and there is no such task in

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 13:47:25, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > Hi, > > Antony Stone writes: > > > > It's definitely not Devuan-specific; I don't know whether it is > > Debian-specific, or generic to any distro which includes brltty. I've > > only ever used it on Debian. > > > > If you

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi, Antony Stone writes: > On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 13:17:41, dal wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Antony Stone >> Sent: den 18 april 2020 12:05 >> >> On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 12:00:18, dal wrote: >> > Is it only me who

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread dal
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Antony Stone Sent: den 18 april 2020 13:25 It's definitely not Devuan-specific; I don't know whether it is Debian-specific, or generic to any distro which includes brltty. I've only ever used it on Debian.

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 13:17:41, dal wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Antony Stone > Sent: den 18 april 2020 12:05 > > On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 12:00:18, dal wrote: > > Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread dal
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Antony Stone Sent: den 18 april 2020 12:05 On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 12:00:18, dal wrote: > Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of > > brltty[...]: file system mount error:

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 12:00:18, dal wrote: > Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of > > brltty[...]: file system mount error: usbfs[brltty-usbfs] -> > /var/run/brltty/usbfs: No such device Did you deliberately install accessibility for blind people? brltty is the Braille

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread dal
Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of brltty[...]: file system mount error: usbfs[brltty-usbfs] -> /var/run/brltty/usbfs: No such device ? /D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-13 Thread Florian Zieboll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:50:59 +0300 Dimitris via Dng wrote: > 68.7 is in beowulf-proposed-updates repos : > https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=firefox-esr=beowulf > > although, i think it should be in beowulf-security.. (?)

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-13 Thread Dimitris via Dng
68.7 is in beowulf-proposed-updates repos : https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=firefox-esr=beowulf although, i think it should be in beowulf-security.. (?) d. On 4/13/20 2:37 PM, dal wrote: > Installing Beowulf today, I get > > firefox-esr_68.6.1esr-1~deb10u1_amd64.deb >

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-13 Thread dal
Installing Beowulf today, I get firefox-esr_68.6.1esr-1~deb10u1_amd64.deb despite that Debian said 8 Apr 2020 that the upgrade to 68.7.0esr-1~deb10u1 Is necessary because of CVE-2020-6821 CVE-2020-6822 CVE-2020-6825 This does not look right? /D ___

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-10 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 10/04/2020 à 00:19, aitor_czr a écrit : Hi Didier, On 4/9/20 4:29 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 09/04/2020 à 18:16, Didier Kryn a écrit : Le 09/04/2020 à 16:13, dal a écrit : Hello and thanks for Beowulf. An issue: it looks like    devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_netinstall.iso    and the

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-09 Thread Mike Schmitz via Dng
On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 11:23:24PM +, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Didier, > > On 4/9/20 10:19 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > > Sorry for the typo. install *ifplugd* or an equivalent. > Another clarification: ifplugd depends on ifupdown and breaks with > ifupdown2. The > real culprit of the startup delay is

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-09 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Didier, On 4/9/20 10:19 PM, aitor_czr wrote: Sorry for the typo. install *ifplugd* or an equivalent. Another clarification: ifplugd depends on ifupdown and breaks with ifupdown2. The real culprit of the startup delay is ifupdown together with dhcp, and it's not caused by the time-out

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-09 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Didier, On 4/9/20 4:29 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 09/04/2020 à 18:16, Didier Kryn a écrit : Le 09/04/2020 à 16:13, dal a écrit : Hello and thanks for Beowulf. An issue: it looks like    devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_netinstall.iso    and the base system installable from it do not

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-09 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 09/04/2020 à 18:16, Didier Kryn a écrit : Le 09/04/2020 à 16:13, dal a écrit : Hello and thanks for Beowulf. An issue: it looks like    devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_netinstall.iso    and the base system installable from it do not contain the ifupdown package (nor other networking

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-09 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 09/04/2020 à 16:13, dal a écrit : Hello and thanks for Beowulf. An issue: it looks like devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_netinstall.iso and the base system installable from it do not contain the ifupdown package (nor other networking utilities besides busybox ip?). The resulting

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-09 Thread dal
Hello and thanks for Beowulf. An issue: it looks like devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_netinstall.iso and the base system installable from it do not contain the ifupdown package (nor other networking utilities besides busybox ip?). The resulting base installation remains offline. This is

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-07 Thread g4sra via Dng
On 06/04/2020 23:24, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 05:10:48PM +0100, g4sra via Dng wrote: >> Only one issue so far, had to manually run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' after >> reboot. > > You might want to add to bug 419, so the devs are aware that more than > just one person had

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-06 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 05:10:48PM +0100, g4sra via Dng wrote: > Only one issue so far, had to manually run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' after > reboot. You might want to add to bug 419, so the devs are aware that more than just one person had this issue:

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-06 Thread g4sra via Dng
Minimal install from CD-Rom devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_i386_netinstall.iso on Pentium4 OK. Only one issue so far, had to manually run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' after reboot. On 15/03/2020 16:22, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > Dear dev1ers, > > The Devuan 3 Beowulf Beta release is now ready for

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-05 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 05, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > Hi Dan > > On 05.04.20 13:12, Dan Purgert wrote: > > OK, so now you've "verified(tm)" that you successfully got > > "devuan_a1gn1ng_key" from https://devane.com/pgp.asc. Great that > > you were able to verify the server. But you still got a bogus key > >

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-05 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Adrian, On 4/5/20 1:19 PM, Adrian Zaugg wrote: Unfortunately there is no DNSSEC on pkgmaster.devuan.org nor on packages.gnuinos.org There are several https key-servers out there... Could somebody recommend me someone in particular? Thanks in advance, Aitor.

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-05 Thread Adrian Zaugg
Hi Dan On 05.04.20 13:12, Dan Purgert wrote:> OK, so now you've "verified(tm)" that you successfully got > "devuan_a1gn1ng_key" from https://devane.com/pgp.asc. Great that you > were able to verify the server. But you still got a bogus key :) > > Which was pretty much my point -- TLS doesn't

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-05 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 05, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > > > On 22.03.20 13:02, Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Mar 21, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > > The entire point of the public key is that it can be obtained over any > > insecure medium, and still provide the correct signature verification. > > That is true, yes.

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-05 Thread Adrian Zaugg
On 22.03.20 13:02, Dan Purgert wrote: > On Mar 21, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > The entire point of the public key is that it can be obtained over any > insecure medium, and still provide the correct signature verification. That is true, yes. But if you get other keys in your keystore than you

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-26 Thread aitor_czr
Hi tempforever, On 26/3/20 2:57, tempforever wrote: Thanks a lot.  Your message is going to be top of my list for a couple years :-) Not at all. I like to be at the very top. Cheers, topforever. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-25 Thread tempforever
Thanks a lot. Your message is going to be top of my list for a couple years :-) aitor_czr wrote: Hi On 19/3/22 14:01, aitor_czr wrote: On 22/3/20 12:18, Dimitris via Dng wrote: wget https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-keyring/devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb dpkg

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-24 Thread aitor_czr
Hi On 19/3/22 14:01, aitor_czr wrote: On 22/3/20 12:18, Dimitris via Dng wrote: wget https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-keyring/devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb dpkg --install devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb resending, last message was encrypted.. Wow! The date of

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 22, 2020, Florian Zieboll wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 08:02:51 -0400 > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > On Mar 21, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > > > > > Please get your keys always over secured connections. Use https. > > > > The entire

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread Florian Zieboll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 NB: Oh, of course you can also verify the public key, if you have signed data from a trustworthy source :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEELAr/aHjRNwfZVZJo7kVJef5EH9YFAl53hKEACgkQ7kVJef5E

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread Florian Zieboll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 08:02:51 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > On Mar 21, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > > > Please get your keys always over secured connections. Use https. > > The entire point of the public key is that it can be obtained over any >

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread aitor_czr
On 22/3/20 12:18, Dimitris via Dng wrote: wget https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-keyring/devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb dpkg --install devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb resending, last message was encrypted.. Wow! ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread Dimitris via Dng
> wget > https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-keyring/devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb > > dpkg --install devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb > resending, last message was encrypted.. --- or : # apt-key adv --keyserver hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 21, 2020, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > > > On 19.03.20 20:37, aitor_czr wrote: > > As you know, you need to install the gpg key of gnuinos: > > > > # curl http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos_pk.asc | apt-key add - > > Please get your keys always over secured connections. Use https. The entire

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread aitor
Ho Adrian, En 22 de marzo de 2020 8:27:58 Adrian Zaugg escribió: On 19.03.20 20:37, aitor_czr wrote: As you know, you need to install the gpg key of gnuinos: # curl http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos_pk.asc | apt-key add - Please get your keys always over secured connections. Use

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng writes: > Hi, > > goli...@devuan.org writes: > >> Dear dev1ers, >> >> The Devuan 3 Beowulf Beta release is now ready for review. The >> installer isos, desktop-live and minimal-live isos can be downloaded >> from: >> >> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/ > >

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi Mark, Mark Hindley writes: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:05:18AM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: >> Hi, >> >> goli...@devuan.org writes: >> >> > Dear dev1ers, >> > >> > The Devuan 3 Beowulf Beta release is now ready for review. The >> > installer isos, desktop-live and minimal-live isos

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-22 Thread Adrian Zaugg
On 19.03.20 20:37, aitor_czr wrote: > As you know, you need to install the gpg key of gnuinos: > > # curl http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos_pk.asc | apt-key add - Please get your keys always over secured connections. Use https. This is also bad in the docs for Devuan: apt-get

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-20 Thread Mark Hindley
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:05:18AM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > goli...@devuan.org writes: > > > Dear dev1ers, > > > > The Devuan 3 Beowulf Beta release is now ready for review. The > > installer isos, desktop-live and minimal-live isos can be downloaded > > from: > > > >

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-19 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi, goli...@devuan.org writes: > Dear dev1ers, > > The Devuan 3 Beowulf Beta release is now ready for review. The > installer isos, desktop-live and minimal-live isos can be downloaded > from: > > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/ Kudos for all the hard work put in by all of you! >

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-19 Thread aitor_czr
Hi, On 19/3/20 15:24, Rainer Weikusat via Dng wrote: goli...@devuan.org writes: Dear dev1ers, The Devuan 3 Beowulf Beta release is now ready for review. [...] In solidarity, The Devuan Devs Great news. Thanks a lot. Yes, I've it working on my computers. Thanks, golinux and all the

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-19 Thread Rainer Weikusat via Dng
goli...@devuan.org writes: > Dear dev1ers, > > The Devuan 3 Beowulf Beta release is now ready for review. [...] > In solidarity, > > The Devuan Devs Great news. Thanks a lot. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 3/16/20 1:22 AM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: ...  - Note that firefox-esr no longer requires pulseaudio. You can easily    remove pulseaudio and just use alsa. Oh yeah! I can watch Youtube now with Firefox now! Thanks for the news and for the for Devuan!

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-15 Thread aitor
Hi Tom, On 15/3/20 21:23, tom wrote: Just wanted to ask, not a huge deal to uninstall it by hand, but why isn't pulseaudio removed by default? Because a vanilla installation of devuan is basically like a vanilla installation of debian without systemd. Cheers, Aitor.

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-15 Thread tom
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 11:22:49 -0500 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > Pulseaudio > - If you have no sound, make sure the following line in > /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf is commented as > shown here: > > #autospawn=no > > - Note that firefox-esr no longer requires