Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-06-01 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 05/31/2018 06:22 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:

On 2018-05-31 17:40, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 05/31/2018 01:30 PM, Fungal-net wrote:
Q4OS has dome alot of work on trinity, maybe you should use their 
repositories to pick things up.
It is a systemd distribution, I have a friend using it, I can get the 
sources.list from her if you need it.



First, please do not send me your email, unless you ask me first
period, and if it's a emergence call 911.

You're kidding right.  I'm all about not touching systemd, if I could
I would use it for target practice.  My feelings are, anyone
volunteering to work, for free, on a OS with systemd is a Sucker and
anyone getting paid to work on a OS with systemd is my Enemy.



Just an FYI . . . Fungal-net emailed you because he is in moderation on 
this list and with good reason. Unfortunately, there is no way to 
prevent him from contacting individual list members.  Let me know if he 
persists in bothering you.


golinux



I saw your post yesterday, I'm wordless and in shock over this incident. 
 Thank you for your followup.

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-05-31 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 05/31/2018 01:30 PM, Fungal-net wrote:

Q4OS has dome alot of work on trinity, maybe you should use their repositories 
to pick things up.
It is a systemd distribution, I have a friend using it, I can get the 
sources.list from her if you need it.



First, please do not send me your email, unless you ask me first period, 
and if it's a emergence call 911.


You're kidding right.  I'm all about not touching systemd, if I could I 
would use it for target practice.  My feelings are, anyone volunteering 
to work, for free, on a OS with systemd is a Sucker and anyone getting 
paid to work on a OS with systemd is my Enemy.


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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-05-31 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:35:00AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

[cut]

> 
> 
> > What do you need that is not already present in the KDE shipped with
> > Devuan ASCII? There is no systemd running in there, and KDE is
> > reported to work just fine.
> 
> 
>  No kde5-framework.  KatolaZ I really do not like systemd or
> plasma5, I do not like The Borg and I'm always looking for options.
> 

I am pretty sure I am missing something, but Devuan ASCII has
plasma-desktop5 (5.8.6), and the corresponding libraries, and there is
no systemd...

Oh BTW: nobody here likes systemd, so you are not alone :)

HND

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-05-31 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 05/31/2018 01:21 AM, KatolaZ wrote:

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 05:35:21PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

[cut]




Hi Nate!  alienbob is a workaholic, every group needs one. I've parted with
Patrick, he's a fun guy to hang with and I love Slack and I have installed
Slack a few times and Patrick has installed it for me too while at kde4
release at google.  I wish I was using it, but I have disabilities that keep
me from being much of a keyboarder and I'm very thankful for point-n-click
linux and Debian apt.

Nate do you know if kde from Slackware can be ported to Debian or Devuan?
Something like that would be a blessing for a kde user.




What do you need that is not already present in the KDE shipped with
Devuan ASCII? There is no systemd running in there, and KDE is
reported to work just fine.



 No kde5-framework.  KatolaZ I really do not like systemd or 
plasma5, I do not like The Borg and I'm always looking for options.


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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-05-31 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 05:35:21PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

[cut]

> 
> 
> Hi Nate!  alienbob is a workaholic, every group needs one. I've parted with
> Patrick, he's a fun guy to hang with and I love Slack and I have installed
> Slack a few times and Patrick has installed it for me too while at kde4
> release at google.  I wish I was using it, but I have disabilities that keep
> me from being much of a keyboarder and I'm very thankful for point-n-click
> linux and Debian apt.
> 
> Nate do you know if kde from Slackware can be ported to Debian or Devuan?
> Something like that would be a blessing for a kde user.
>


What do you need that is not already present in the KDE shipped with
Devuan ASCII? There is no systemd running in there, and KDE is
reported to work just fine.

HTH

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-05-30 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 05/26/2018 04:57 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:

* On 2018 26 May 00:24 -0500, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

I'm looking at it this way, Devuan is an alternative to systemd and Trinity
is an alternative to plasma and I strongly feel systemd and plasma are
married to each other



I am running Slackware Current (similar to Debian Unstable) on a laptop
with Plasma5 packaged by alienbob and no systemd in sight.  Plasma5 is
quite clearly capable of full functionality on a system completely
lacking a systemd installation.

- Nate



Hi Nate!  alienbob is a workaholic, every group needs one. I've parted 
with Patrick, he's a fun guy to hang with and I love Slack and I have 
installed Slack a few times and Patrick has installed it for me too 
while at kde4 release at google.  I wish I was using it, but I have 
disabilities that keep me from being much of a keyboarder and I'm very 
thankful for point-n-click linux and Debian apt.


Nate do you know if kde from Slackware can be ported to Debian or 
Devuan?  Something like that would be a blessing for a kde user.


Plasma has packages who's names end with D and all are related to 
systemd and do systemd service even when systemd is not there and they 
are being started with any init system you are using, they can be 
removed, but you have to find the buggers first. Life today is a 
struggle to be without systemd.


Like other people I have been playing with removing systemd for a long 
time, but only the last month did I get serous about leaving systemd 
completely, as a linux tester it was a hard choice to make and now I see 
there is a real war going on to keep systemd out of your OS.


You should spend a week with Trinity and see all the things that you are 
missing in Plasma.  KDE3 is a award winning desktop both Unix and 
Groupware compliant and very configurable. I've added a snapshot of my 
Ceres system, enjoy. https://paste.pics/36KUG


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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-05-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2018 26 May 00:24 -0500, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> I'm looking at it this way, Devuan is an alternative to systemd and Trinity
> is an alternative to plasma and I strongly feel systemd and plasma are
> married to each other

I am running Slackware Current (similar to Debian Unstable) on a laptop
with Plasma5 packaged by alienbob and no systemd in sight.  Plasma5 is
quite clearly capable of full functionality on a system completely
lacking a systemd installation.

- Nate

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-05-25 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 04/09/2018 11:49 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:

jaromil . . . I'm pretty sure that Timothy Pearson is the one doing TDE. 
  Some threads here: 
http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0:201712::d:t


There was discussion last year about adding TDE but it never went anywhere.



I'm looking at it this way, Devuan is an alternative to systemd and 
Trinity is an alternative to plasma and I strongly feel systemd and 
plasma are married to each other and I feel Devuan and Trinity are made 
for each other and should be working together.  Upstream is pushing to 
sew systemd into every piece of desktop software and operating system it 
can and will only make Devuans work harder and the more real estate and 
partners Devuan can make now the easier it's going to be upstream and 
the time is now not later.


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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-14 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 04/14/2018 08:38 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 04/14/2018 08:34 AM, KatolaZ wrote:

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 08:22:56AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:






Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8

   ^^

I really don't know what you mean. *You* mentioned Devuan Beowulf, and
I told you that Beowulf is currently unusable. There is little point
into reporting problems about Beowulf at this stage: we need to build
several packages there before you can do much with it.




Apparently you're mistaken, I'm using it now. :)


I don't test stable, I use stable, no fun testing stable. :)
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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 08:38:35AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

[cut]

> >
> >I really don't know what you mean. *You* mentioned Devuan Beowulf, and
> >I told you that Beowulf is currently unusable. There is little point
> >into reporting problems about Beowulf at this stage: we need to build
> >several packages there before you can do much with it.
> 
> 
> Apparently you're mistaken, I'm using it now. :)

Great! Have fun.

HND

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-14 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 04/14/2018 08:34 AM, KatolaZ wrote:

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 08:22:56AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

[cut]




Hello, nice to meet you!  I'm the Linux Tester.

TDE-Trinity on ASCII is a clean install.



[cut]



Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8

   ^^

I really don't know what you mean. *You* mentioned Devuan Beowulf, and
I told you that Beowulf is currently unusable. There is little point
into reporting problems about Beowulf at this stage: we need to build
several packages there before you can do much with it.



Apparently you're mistaken, I'm using it now. :)

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 08:22:56AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

[cut]

> 
> 
> Hello, nice to meet you!  I'm the Linux Tester.
> 
> TDE-Trinity on ASCII is a clean install.
> 

[cut]

> 
> Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8
  ^^

I really don't know what you mean. *You* mentioned Devuan Beowulf, and
I told you that Beowulf is currently unusable. There is little point
into reporting problems about Beowulf at this stage: we need to build
several packages there before you can do much with it. 

HTH

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-14 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 04/14/2018 08:14 AM, KatolaZ wrote:

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 07:49:35AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 04/10/2018 02:37 PM, chillfan wrote:

What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than KDE/Plasma?



Sorry, I don't know what TLDR means?
A required package in Beowulf is synaptic and it's not installable. Using
aptitude I'm able to install without synaptic, but Trinity has kpackage to
help making package installing a little easy.  To do a proper install
policykit-1 needs to install.


beowulf has not been released, and not even announced. There is some
work to be done on beowulf's repos before you can install any
desktop. It could become usable on server environments relatively
soon.



Hello, nice to meet you!  I'm the Linux Tester.

TDE-Trinity on ASCII is a clean install.

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-14 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 14 April 2018 at 16:49:35, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> On 04/10/2018 02:37 PM, chillfan wrote:
> > What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than
> > KDE/Plasma?
> 
> Sorry, I don't know what TLDR means?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tldr

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 07:49:35AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 04/10/2018 02:37 PM, chillfan wrote:
> >What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than KDE/Plasma?
> 
> 
> Sorry, I don't know what TLDR means?
> A required package in Beowulf is synaptic and it's not installable. Using
> aptitude I'm able to install without synaptic, but Trinity has kpackage to
> help making package installing a little easy.  To do a proper install
> policykit-1 needs to install.

beowulf has not been released, and not even announced. There is some
work to be done on beowulf's repos before you can install any
desktop. It could become usable on server environments relatively
soon.

HND

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-14 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 04/10/2018 04:22 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:

* On 2018 10 Apr 16:38 -0500, chillfan wrote:

What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than
KDE/Plasma?


I've not looked lately, but it started life after the KDE devs stopped
supporting KDE 3.5.x and focused on KDE4.  What it has acquired in the
meantime, I don't know.

Answers may be available at:

 https://www.trinitydesktop.org/




root@jimmy-1:/home/jimmy# aptitude install tde-trinity
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 policykit-1 : Depends: libpam-systemd which is a virtual package and 
is not provided by any available package


The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

 Keep the following packages at their current version:
1) policykit-1 [Not Installed]
2) synaptic [Not Installed]
3) synaptic-trinity [Not Installed]
4) tde-core-trinity [Not Installed]
5) tde-trinity [Not Installed]

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-14 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 04/10/2018 04:22 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:

* On 2018 10 Apr 16:38 -0500, chillfan wrote:

What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than
KDE/Plasma?


I've not looked lately, but it started life after the KDE devs stopped
supporting KDE 3.5.x and focused on KDE4.  What it has acquired in the
meantime, I don't know.

Answers may be available at:

 https://www.trinitydesktop.org/



KDE4 would be great, the version in Jessie is a favorite, best install.
I just don't want systemd or plasma and I do want a spectre patched 
system to use, but Jessie is not patched while Sid, Buster and Stretch 
are patched.


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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-14 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 04/10/2018 02:37 PM, chillfan wrote:

What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than KDE/Plasma?



Sorry, I don't know what TLDR means?
A required package in Beowulf is synaptic and it's not installable. 
Using aptitude I'm able to install without synaptic, but Trinity has 
kpackage to help making package installing a little easy.  To do a 
proper install policykit-1 needs to install.


jimmy@jimmy-1
 ..,,;;;::;,..   OS: Devuan testing/unstable
 `':ddd;:,.  Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.15.0-2-amd64
   `'dPPd:,. Uptime: 2h 55m
   `:b$$b`.  Packages: 1224
  'P$$$d`Shell: bash 4.4.19
   .$`   Resolution: 2960x900
   ;$P   DE: Trinity R14.0.5
.:P$$`   WM: TWin
.,:b$$$;'CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 
Compute Cores 4C+6G @ 4x 1.791GHz [2.5°C]

   .,:dPb:'  GPU: GeForce GT 610
.,:;db$$Pd'` RAM: 853MiB / 15969MiB
   ,db$$b:'`
  :b:'`
   `$bd:''`
 `'''`

jimmy@jimmy-1:~$ su
Password:
root@jimmy-1:/home/jimmy# aptitude install synaptic
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  docbook-xml{a} libept1.5.0{a} libpcre2-8-0{a} libpolkit-agent-1-0{a} 
libpolkit-backend-1-0{a}
  libpolkit-gobject-1-0{a} librarian0{a} libvte-2.91-0{a} 
libvte-2.91-common{a} policykit-1{ab}

  rarian-compat{a} sgml-base{a} sgml-data{a} synaptic xml-core{a}
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  sudo-trinity{u}
0 packages upgraded, 15 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 4,196 kB of archives. After unpacking 15.6 MB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 policykit-1 : Depends: libpam-systemd which is a virtual package and 
is not provided by any available package


The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

 Keep the following packages at their current version:
1) policykit-1 [Not Installed]
2) synaptic [Not Installed]


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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 18:22:30 -0500, Nate wrote in message 
<20180410232230.ryizb5udaqllp...@n0nb.us>:

> * On 2018 10 Apr 16:38 -0500, chillfan wrote:
> > What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than
> > KDE/Plasma?  
> 
> I've not looked lately, but it started life after the KDE devs stopped
> supporting KDE 3.5.x and focused on KDE4.  What it has acquired in the
> meantime, I don't know.

..one part of the reason TDE was started, was the KDE devs ditched 
KDE 3.5.x user locale etc environment setup customizability, in favor 
of GNOME-style "smart" KDE4 user setup.

..I'm totally okay with a recommended localised environment setup
_suggetion_ for newbies and totally fed up with dictatorship.


..and AFAICT, TDE hasn't recovered what I had in KDE-3.5.14.


> Answers may be available at:
> 
> https://www.trinitydesktop.org/
> 
> - Nate
> 


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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2018 10 Apr 16:38 -0500, chillfan wrote:
> What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than
> KDE/Plasma?

I've not looked lately, but it started life after the KDE devs stopped
supporting KDE 3.5.x and focused on KDE4.  What it has acquired in the
meantime, I don't know.

Answers may be available at:

https://www.trinitydesktop.org/

- Nate

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread chillfan
What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than KDE/Plasma?

​Thanks,

chillfan

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On April 10, 2018 6:24 AM, Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

> Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start this
> 
> project and stay with it. Timothy Pearson you rock!
> 
> I test Debian and Ubuntu KDE for more than 20yrs, but no more I'm
> 
> leaving Plasma and Systemd, they take the Happy out of Camping and
> 
> computing too.
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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 04/09/2018 11:45 PM, spiralofhope wrote:

I had never heard of Trinity until now, and I've done a bit of
searching through distributions without systemd:



Thanks for the reply,

Trinity is not a distro without systemd and probably why you did not 
find it, but there are a distro or two with no-systemd that use Trinity.


Personally I like clean base installs and then add the desktop and 
Trinity is a KDE Desktop based on the award winning KDE3 desktop that 
was abandoned by KDE about 9-10 yrs ago, adapted and updated by Timothy 
Pearson, who used to develop Kubuntu, since KDE3 was abandoned.



   
https://blog.spiralofhope.com/tag/linux-distributions-which-do-not-use-systemd

It might still be available for one of them, but I suspect that when I
looked, it wasn't the main desktop environment for any of them.

Unless there's a packager behind the scenes working on it (fingers
crossed for you), Devuan itself doesn't have it packaged, so it's
unsurprising that (at a glance) no distribution based on Devuan
features Trinity.



I was still curious..

I tried to find the developers' reasoning in building it, as
philosophies are a fascinating read for me.  I had no luck. It appears
to be a continuation that matured into its own desktop environment.

May I ask your reasoning for wanting Trinity?

   [ I wonder if you can be convinced of another environment (or none at
   all) enough to migrate and use Devuan. ]



Simple, I'm a point and click user and KDE in my opinion is the best.

Cheers!
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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 04/09/2018 11:49 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
jaromil . . . I'm pretty sure that Timothy Pearson is the one doing TDE. 
  Some threads here: 
http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0:201712::d:t


There was discussion last year about adding TDE but it never went anywhere.


Currently tde-trinity is a clean install on a ASCII base install but 
needs work on Ceres & Beowulf, hopefully will be a clean install after 
Beowulf becomes final and testing I am doing.


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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 04/09/2018 11:38 PM, Jaromil wrote:


hey Jimmy,

On Mon, 09 Apr 2018, Jimmy Johnson wrote:


Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start
this project and stay with it.  Timothy Pearson you rock!


ehrm, who is Timothy? I am not sure what project are you talking
about. this is Devuan. we can surely use a hand but never saw Timothy


I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity



do you know about this?

https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Devuan_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions



Yes, I'm using it now thanks.


however this is the wrong place to ask about Ubuntu. In the eyes of
many that is a distro that managed to bloat Debian even more than it
is bloated already. we are a bit like at the opposite end of the
spectrum if you like.


If you are packaging I understand your dilemma. :)

Cheers!
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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 04/09/2018 11:18 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:24:23 -0700, Jimmy wrote in message
<33140363-b094-a601-c3ce-2f834a6ef...@gmail.com>:


Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start
this project and stay with it.  Timothy Pearson you rock!

I test Debian and Ubuntu KDE for more than 20yrs, but no more I'm
leaving Plasma and Systemd, they take the Happy out of Camping and
computing too.

I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity, based on Ubuntu
with No-Systemd, or better yet something similar to Devuan where you
can do a base install and add TDE-Trinity, anybody working on this?




..I have tried TDE-Trinity on Devuan Jessie, but found it flakier
than KDE and Plasma.
I simply added TDE-Trinity's builddep-r14.0.0 and trinity-14.0.0
debian deb 'n deb-src lines to my /etc/apt/sources.list.
Once you comment those lines out, TDE-Trinity becomes "obsolete"
and are easily purged.



Thanks for the reply.

I have no problem with KDE4 on Jessie, the only problem I have with 
Jessie is that it's not spectre variant 1&2 patched, only meltdown 
patched.  So I run day to day ASCII with TDE-Trinity for Stretch and 
it's a clean install with no problems.


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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread Jaromil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, goli...@dyne.org wrote:

> jaromil . . . I'm pretty sure that Timothy Pearson is the one doing
> TDE.

oh, ok, thanks. didn't knew. cheers to Timothy!

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread chillfan
If you like that sort of thing.. 

http://exegnulinux.net/

Is a Devuan based distro using Trinity DE out of the box.

So I think that would be your go to easy option for that. Looks updated as of 
December just gone.

Other than that you can use KDE or MATE on Devuan ascii beta, if you're looking 
for something bigger. Depends on your requirements.

​Thanks,

chillfan

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On April 10, 2018 6:24 AM, Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

> Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start this
> 
> project and stay with it. Timothy Pearson you rock!
> 
> I test Debian and Ubuntu KDE for more than 20yrs, but no more I'm
> 
> leaving Plasma and Systemd, they take the Happy out of Camping and
> 
> computing too.
> 
> I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity, based on Ubuntu with
> 
> No-Systemd, or better yet something similar to Devuan where you can do a
> 
> base install and add TDE-Trinity, anybody working on this? I'm willing
> 
> to test .iso's.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Jimmy Johnson
> 
> Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6
> 
> Registered Linux User #380263
> 
> Dng mailing list
> 
> Dng@lists.dyne.org
> 
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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread golinux

On 2018-04-10 01:45, spiralofhope wrote:


Unless there's a packager behind the scenes working on it (fingers
crossed for you), Devuan itself doesn't have it packaged, so it's
unsurprising that (at a glance) no distribution based on Devuan
features Trinity.



Not quite true.  There is a Devuan derivative that uses TDE.  It was one 
of the first!


https://sourceforge.net/projects/exegnulinux/

And yes, TDE won't get into the Devuan repos unless someone steps up to 
package AND maintain it from release to release.  That being said, there 
are several Devuan users who have TDE installed from other sources.


golinux

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread golinux
jaromil . . . I'm pretty sure that Timothy Pearson is the one doing TDE. 
 Some threads here:  
http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0:201712::d:t


There was discussion last year about adding TDE but it never went 
anywhere.



On 2018-04-10 01:38, Jaromil wrote:

hey Jimmy,

On Mon, 09 Apr 2018, Jimmy Johnson wrote:


Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start
this project and stay with it.  Timothy Pearson you rock!


ehrm, who is Timothy? I am not sure what project are you talking
about. this is Devuan. we can surely use a hand but never saw Timothy


I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity


do you know about this?

https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Devuan_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions

however this is the wrong place to ask about Ubuntu. In the eyes of
many that is a distro that managed to bloat Debian even more than it
is bloated already. we are a bit like at the opposite end of the
spectrum if you like.


ciao

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread spiralofhope
I had never heard of Trinity until now, and I've done a bit of
searching through distributions without systemd:

  https://blog.spiralofhope.com/tag/linux-distributions-which-do-not-use-systemd

It might still be available for one of them, but I suspect that when I
looked, it wasn't the main desktop environment for any of them.

Unless there's a packager behind the scenes working on it (fingers
crossed for you), Devuan itself doesn't have it packaged, so it's
unsurprising that (at a glance) no distribution based on Devuan
features Trinity.


I was still curious..

I tried to find the developers' reasoning in building it, as
philosophies are a fascinating read for me.  I had no luck. It appears
to be a continuation that matured into its own desktop environment.

May I ask your reasoning for wanting Trinity?

  [ I wonder if you can be convinced of another environment (or none at
  all) enough to migrate and use Devuan. ]



On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:24:23 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

> I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity
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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread Jaromil

hey Jimmy,

On Mon, 09 Apr 2018, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start
> this project and stay with it.  Timothy Pearson you rock!

ehrm, who is Timothy? I am not sure what project are you talking
about. this is Devuan. we can surely use a hand but never saw Timothy

> I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity

do you know about this?

https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Devuan_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions

however this is the wrong place to ask about Ubuntu. In the eyes of
many that is a distro that managed to bloat Debian even more than it
is bloated already. we are a bit like at the opposite end of the
spectrum if you like.


ciao

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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:24:23 -0700, Jimmy wrote in message 
<33140363-b094-a601-c3ce-2f834a6ef...@gmail.com>:

> Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start
> this project and stay with it.  Timothy Pearson you rock!
> 
> I test Debian and Ubuntu KDE for more than 20yrs, but no more I'm 
> leaving Plasma and Systemd, they take the Happy out of Camping and 
> computing too.
> 
> I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity, based on Ubuntu
> with No-Systemd, or better yet something similar to Devuan where you
> can do a base install and add TDE-Trinity, anybody working on this?


..I have tried TDE-Trinity on Devuan Jessie, but found it flakier 
than KDE and Plasma.  
I simply added TDE-Trinity's builddep-r14.0.0 and trinity-14.0.0 
debian deb 'n deb-src lines to my /etc/apt/sources.list.  
Once you comment those lines out, TDE-Trinity becomes "obsolete" 
and are easily purged.


> I'm willing to test .iso's.
> 
> Cheers,


-- 
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...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.
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