Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-23 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 10:15:54PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] > > > Ignore the above post. It was a fluke, I've tested two more systems with no > problem running anything after I su to root and that's a good thing. :) > > Thanks, Thanks a lot Jimmy. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-23 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 11/22/18 11:36 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 11/19/18 3:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi All, in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into choosing if you

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-23 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 2018-11-19 10:08 a.m., KatolaZ wrote: We are not saying we will ask the question to all the users. The "knob" will be probably available only in expert install, once we are sure that there are no major issues there, and the default will most probably be non-merged-usr. For testing purposes it

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-22 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 11/19/18 3:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi All, in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-22 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 03:16:07PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > But you wanted us to test the installer. The installer must have a > working tasksel to not bomb out on that one step, right? Steve, the mini.iso is a netinst. It downloads almost everything from the net, including tasksel,

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 21:07:57 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 02:46:43PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:40:49 +0100 > > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > > > > Note: the

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-22 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 02:46:43PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:40:49 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not > > > currently work (I

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:40:49 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not > > currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will > > fail. Just skip it, continue

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-21 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not > currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will > fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install > stuff with apt-get after

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-20 Thread etech3
On 11/19/2018 06:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi All, in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:17:45 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > Hi All, > > in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with > the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great > discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into > choosing if you want merged-usr

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-20 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 04:28:42PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > KatoloZ wrote: "We have put together a solution that consists into > choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the > current unstable installer:" > > Ooooh, not even Einstein could have arrived at that!

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 10:34:49AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:08:19PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > P.S.: I am not so sure about the "unmerge" being so difficult, to be > > honest, but I might be wrong... > > For unmerging you'd just have to know which files belong

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:08:19PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > P.S.: I am not so sure about the "unmerge" being so difficult, to be > honest, but I might be wrong... For unmerging you'd just have to know which files belong where in the unmerged system. That information is should be in the

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:02:09PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with > > the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great > > discussion. We

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-19 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > Hi All, > > in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with > the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great > discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into > choosing if you want

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 03:16:29PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:17:45 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > <20181119111745.jykbsqvt6gdpw...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > > > Hi All, > > > > in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with > > the pros and cons

Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete

2018-11-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:17:45 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20181119111745.jykbsqvt6gdpw...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > Hi All, > > in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with > the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great > discussion. We have put