Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:13:20 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > > 2) that people generally remember what a thread is about when based on > > the subject > > Arnt, let's be consistent. You assume the author doesn't expect the > reader to need the citation. This means that the

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

Le 13/12/2015 19:26, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : 2) that people generally remember what a thread is about when based on the subject Arnt, let's be consistent. You assume the author doesn't expect the reader to need the citation. This means that the citation is left only because the

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

caveman, simply bother to *manually* delete the unrelated content every single time I reply to an email, and to quote only those bits that I consider necessary to set the context. I have no problem trying this out. I believe there it is also a question of what the mind is used to. For me

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

Le 14/12/2015 13:00, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 13/12/2015 19:26, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : 2) that people generally remember what a thread is about when based on the subject Arnt, let's be consistent. You assume the author doesn't expect the reader to need the

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:00:35PM +, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: [cut] > > >Hence top-post, should be replaced by no citation at all. And > >when citation is usefull, please use bottom-post. > > I do. And I think Katolaz is disingenious and intellecually lazy in > his arguments against

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:33:17 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Actually it takes more effort to *every* reader to read it > than it would take to the *single* writer to bottom-post. The preceding is the crux of the situation. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book:

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:33:17 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Actually it takes more effort to *every* reader to read it > than it would take to the *single* writer to bottom-post. The preceding is the crux of the situation. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book:

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

shraptor wrote: > I must admit I am really clueless to what is considered good practice in > mailing-lists. ... > I am not rude on purpose but I truly don't know mailing-list style of > interaction. > Should I delete this or keep this? Write here or write there? In "days

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 09:30:47AM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > shraptor wrote: > > > I must admit I am really clueless to what is considered good practice in > > mailing-lists. > ... > > I am not rude on purpose but I truly don't know mailing-list style of > >

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

Dear Katola, Would you please refrain from writing insults as these truly prove '"indifference" and "selfishness"'? Why would anyone resort to bullying tactics to psychologically manipulate those who see an issue differently? Edward On 13/12/2015, KatolaZ wrote: > On

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 01:40:30PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Hendrik, > > Then, what is wrong with my writing style? Be aware that more often > than not, after many hours struggling with code and compilers, I am > usually too tired to write highly logical and appealing emails. >

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

Hi Hendrik, Then, what is wrong with my writing style? Be aware that more often than not, after many hours struggling with code and compilers, I am usually too tired to write highly logical and appealing emails. Furthermore, if I leave writing an email for the next day, I will have forgotten what

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 07:10:42AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 12:57:29PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Dear Katola, > > > > Would you please refrain from writing insults as these truly prove > > '"indifference" and "selfishness"'? Why would anyone resort to > >

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Sun, 13 Dec 2015 07:10:42 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > But if I try (hard) to be charitable, what he actually says is that > certain styles of writing *shout* indifference and selfishness. > He could merely warning nice, attentive people that theit writing > styles

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 21:28:06 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > On gmail threads text is automatically quoted: I have no option about > that, other than selectively quoting parts. Selectively quoting parts is precisely what should be done by every poster, whether

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

kato...@freaknet.org writes: my nickname is actually KatolaZ, as written at the bottom of all my emails :) On top of that, if you would have bottom-quoted my message, you would have noted that my personal rant was followed by "IMHO", which is short for "In My Humble Opinion". It was labelled

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 12:57:29PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Dear Katola, > > Would you please refrain from writing insults as these truly prove > '"indifference" and "selfishness"'? Why would anyone resort to > bullying tactics to psychologically manipulate those who see an issue >

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 11:33:37PM +, dan pridgeon wrote: > Its unfortunate that one cannot highlight the portion that one wishes to > respond to, right click on the selected portion, and click "Respond" and have > the editor do the rest of the work. My email client (mutt) does not have

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

ecember 13, 2015 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman. On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 21:28:06 +0100 Edward Bartolo <edb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > On gmail threads text is automatically quoted: I have no option about > th

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015, Gregory Nowak wrote: > I have to throw in my $0.01 here. First, like Edward, I too prefer top > posting. I have noticed also that top posting seems to be an > overwhelming convention on blindness-related lists. I have seen > instances of bottom posters getting flamed on a

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > This suggests that another 'default behaviour' is "client can't do > threading based on References" I think this is (together with non-text-only-mails) the main reason also for sensible people to top-post and fully quote in typical

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:40:08AM +0100, Rainer H. Rauschenberg wrote: > On Fri, 11 Dec 2015, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > This suggests that another 'default behaviour' is "client can't do > > threading based on References" > > I think this is (together with non-text-only-mails) the main

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

Jaromil writes: > On Fri, 11 Dec 2015, Gregory Nowak wrote: >> I have to throw in my $0.01 here. First, like Edward, I too prefer top >> posting. I have noticed also that top posting seems to be an >> overwhelming convention on blindness-related lists. I have seen >> instances

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

> > Short of moderating the list and rejecting every message that top-posts, > I see no hope of stamping it out. But the moderation overhead would > take valuale manpower, and would likely slow down important discussions. > > I rarely top-post, even when replying to deeply-nested top-posted

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

>> Maybe the VUA's aren't the ones doing the top-posting, and maybe they >> are tired of the issue, which comes up over and over again on the web >> without much effect. >> Short of moderating the list and rejecting every message that top-posts, >> I see no hope of stamping it out. But the

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

Hi All, On gmail threads text is automatically quoted: I have no option about that, other than selectively quoting parts. I always make an effort to write clearly, but more often than not, I am exhausted. I am making a huge effort to complete netman, notwithstanding I never earned a penny working

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

I must admit I am really clueless to what is considered good practice in mailing-lists. I started coding on abc-80 but I only really know bulletin board style interaction(same as git, right?) or personal email. Not everybody was there at the start. I am lost in mailing-lists but feel like I

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 12:07:49PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > this sounds strange. since its very inception we have struggled to keep > Dyne.org infrastructure and practices as friendly as possible for people > with low or even no vision, since some of our funding members had such > conditions.

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded, version of netman.

Dear Rainer, The code of Herbert Schildt is more understandable :) Aitor. El 11/12/15 20:13, Rainer Weikusat escribió: It's the default behaviour of certain e-mail clients and was already (at that time) directly opposed to established conventions for

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

Gregory Nowak writes: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 07:26:50PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> I think, it is irritating to first having to scroll down text others >> have written rather than the text the latest poster has written. If >> the latest poster wants his readers to refer to