Re: [dns-operations] Filtering policy: false positive rate

2024-02-08 Thread Paul Vixie via dns-operations
--- Begin Message --- I think the examples being used in this thread are too narrow. In RPZ a firewall rule might trigger on something other than the QNAME. For example the trigger could be one of the NSDNAMEs in the resolution path, or on the address (A or ) associated with some NSDNAME in

Re: [dns-operations] [Ext] Re: .RU zone failed ZSK rotation

2024-02-08 Thread Edward Lewis
On 2/8/24, 10:40, "dns-operations on behalf of Viktor Dukhovni" wrote: The chances of a remotely possibly event happening is 100% once it happens. __ So long as a hash is shorter than the data it covers, there's a chance there will be a collision. Just a general statement. >There is no

Re: [dns-operations] [Ext] Re: .RU zone failed ZSK rotation

2024-02-08 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 12:24:08PM +, Edward Lewis wrote: > Between non-unique key tags and the possibility of hash collisions, > it's possible two DS resource records could share either a key tag or > a hash representing different keys. From this, I wish we hadn't > defined the key tag

[dns-operations] A follow upRe: [Ext] Re: .RU zone failed ZSK rotation

2024-02-08 Thread Edward Lewis
In my data, I don't see the colliding key tags involved, but historically, RU had two other keys share a key tag value - but not at the same time. Here are parts of the data I have - the last shown field is the start of the public key's bits (which show these are different keys).

Re: [dns-operations] [Ext] Re: .RU zone failed ZSK rotation

2024-02-08 Thread Edward Lewis
Very interesting. There have been two cases since 2011 of a TLD having two published DNSKEY resource records sharing the same key_tag. The first in 2018/2019 involved a TLD having a KSK and ZSK share. I didn't notice while it was happening, but found it when testing some code I have to

Re: [dns-operations] Filtering policy: false positive rate

2024-02-08 Thread Vladimír Čunát via dns-operations
--- Begin Message --- On 06/02/2024 17.06, Peter Thomassen wrote: Then, how to define a false positive rate? Look at all blocked queries, and do a post-hoc investigation? How about popularity -- should one factor in that blocking *.ddns.net is more severe than blocking *.blank.page? I.e., is

Re: [dns-operations] .RU zone failed ZSK rotation

2024-02-08 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 04:37:02PM +0200, Phil Kulin wrote a message of 56 lines which said: > Done. New serial number 4058860. New active ZSK > https://dnsviz.net/d/ru/ZbpWZg/dnssec/ There is now a detailed technical post-mortem. These official explanations fit the facts that we observed.