Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-24 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Sun, 2020-05-24 at 17:36 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2020, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > The draft says 'The pseudo DNSKEY record MUST NOT be present in the > > zone.' What can we add to the text to make it clear that no query is > > sent to the zone's name servers -until- their TLS

Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-24 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 24 May 2020, Peter van Dijk wrote: On Sun, 2020-05-24 at 13:43 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: But I also don't see the gains of abusing DNSKEY, because you already need to query the DNSKEY of the domain to get the pesudeo-DNSKEY key, and then you already lost your privacy. The draft says

Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-24 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Sun, 2020-05-24 at 13:43 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > But I also don't see the gains of abusing DNSKEY, because you already > need to query the DNSKEY of the domain to get the pesudeo-DNSKEY key, > and then you already lost your privacy. The draft says 'The pseudo DNSKEY record MUST NOT be

Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-24 Thread Christian Huitema
On 5/24/2020 10:43 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: > Let's assume we can connect to the .ca nameservers securely and > privately. We query for nohats.ca. If there is no DS, all bets > are off as the child cannot signal anything to us securely. If > there is a DS, we also got NS records, and possibly

Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-24 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sat, 23 May 2020, Peter van Dijk wrote: As I remarked in my reply to Jeremy, I spent quite some time thinking about how to do the signalling with actual TLSA records, but I never ended up with a satisfactory solution. But I don't think your current solution is satisfactory either. It is