Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 27 May 2020, Peter van Dijk wrote: DoT authoritatives would need to keep both the old and new certificates on hand during the transition keys, not certificates I would not rule out that people want to run this using a CA chain. Limiting the signaling to EE-certs or pubkeys is

Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 27 May 2020, Petr Špaček wrote: - I don't see any traction for draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension. Do you see any evidence it is going to change? The draft has been resubmitted for the ISE stream (not TLS WG) as draft-dukhovni-tls-dnssec-chain Stubby already implements it. We

Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 27 May 2020, Ben Schwartz wrote: I agree that the TLS DNSSEC chain extension isn't substantially deployed today, but I don't think that should stop us from using it if it would help.  This use case is important enough to drive deployment. If people really want to avoid doing an extra

Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-27 Thread Tony Finch
Peter van Dijk wrote: > On Tue, 2020-05-26 at 09:10 +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > > > > 1. Bit 7 of the Flags fields needs to be 0. > > Definitely [...] I noted earlier that whatever flags we might need, it's > definitely *not* ZONE and SEP. > > > 2. This needs a new Protocol number > > I

Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-27 Thread Ben Schwartz
Thanks for the explanations. Having multiple TLS-DS records during TLS key rolls does seem like a pretty good solution. There are still some potential operational rough edges here. For example, an "emergency" certificate replacement (e.g. in event of compromise) is difficult, because the old

Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-27 Thread Peter van Dijk
Hello Ben, On Tue, 2020-05-26 at 21:27 -0400, Ben Schwartz wrote: > I like the idea of signalling DoT support in the DS record, but I worry a bit > about putting the SPKI fingerprint in the DS as well. Having to update the > parent zone whenever the TLSA key needs to be rotated seems

Re: [dns-privacy] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin-00.txt]

2020-05-27 Thread Petr Špaček
On 27. 05. 20 3:27, Ben Schwartz wrote: > I like the idea of signalling DoT support in the DS record, but I worry a bit > about putting the SPKI fingerprint in the DS as well.  Having to update the > parent zone whenever the TLSA key needs to be rotated seems cumbersome and > fragile,