Re: [dns-privacy] New draft on encrypting the stub-to-resolver link: draft-hoffman-dns-tls-stub-00.txt

2014-08-29 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 12:56 AM, John Heidemann wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:46:41 -0700, Wes Hardaker wrote: >>Carsten Strotmann writes: >>But then, stepping back, you have to ask yourself: what's the likely >>threat model of everyone in 100 feet trying to attack you? If we really >>... >>

Re: [dns-privacy] New draft on encrypting the stub-to-resolver link: draft-hoffman-dns-tls-stub-00.txt

2014-08-29 Thread John Heidemann
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:46:41 -0700, Wes Hardaker wrote: >Carsten Strotmann writes: > >>> Ok then I am an attacker, since you cannot authenticate me, I sign the >>> data myself. This has data integrity. But it is the modified data and >>> not what you expected to receive... >> >> How can you sign

Re: [dns-privacy] Authenticating the resolver

2014-08-29 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 29, 2014, at 5:30 AM, Wes Hardaker wrote: > Paul Hoffman writes: > >> On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Wes Hardaker wrote: >> >>> But what's the solution? How do we authenticate that resolver? PKIX >>> won't help us, as there is no name. >> >> Say what? That draft clearly says that the

Re: [dns-privacy] Authenticating the resolver

2014-08-29 Thread Wes Hardaker
Paul Hoffman writes: > On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Wes Hardaker wrote: > >> But what's the solution? How do we authenticate that resolver? PKIX >> won't help us, as there is no name. > > Say what? That draft clearly says that the resolver can have a PKIX > certificate with its IP address as

Re: [dns-privacy] New draft on encrypting the stub-to-resolver link: draft-hoffman-dns-tls-stub-00.txt

2014-08-29 Thread Wes Hardaker
Mark Andrews writes: > Actually DNSSEC could give you the key of the resolver securely > provided it has a public address. Publish a KEY record signed in > the DNS under in-addr.arpa or ip6.arpa. If need to we define flag > bits to say it is for this purpose. For private addresses you need > t

Re: [dns-privacy] Summary of the thoughts about DNS privacy

2014-08-29 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
> Ok, you obviously don't believe DNS traffic needs privacy on the sole > basis, that there's a bigger fish in the pond. I have seen X-Files and > I choose to believe, let's leave it at that and move to the technical > side of things. I am telling from my first message! And I am telling that your

Re: [dns-privacy] Summary of the thoughts about DNS privacy

2014-08-29 Thread Marek VavruĊĦa
On 29 August 2014 11:41, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: > >> > Do you have any statistics or any references that prove TU 2,3 tried >> analyzing resolver traffics? >> >> No, I do not belong in TU 2/3 and I do not participate in any data >> misuse project. However, the collected data is provably valuable fo

Re: [dns-privacy] Summary of the thoughts about DNS privacy

2014-08-29 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
> > Do you have any statistics or any references that prove TU 2,3 tried > analyzing resolver traffics? > > No, I do not belong in TU 2/3 and I do not participate in any data > misuse project. However, the collected data is provably valuable for > some people (otherwise services like following wo