Re: [dns-privacy] DNS over TLS for zone transfers?

2017-01-17 Thread John Heidemann
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:22:29 +0800, Shane Kerr wrote: >Hello, > >I'm sorry if it has already been discussed, but has there been any work >done on using TLS for AXFR/IXFR? > >It seems like it should be relatively straightforward, compared to the >stub-to-resolver and resolver-to-authority links. Wh

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS over TLS for zone transfers?

2017-01-17 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
I'll not continue with the charter topic, because you're right that it's offtopic on a privacy list. However the point was made because it was an opportunity as a protocol change would be introduced when introducing encryption. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 09:49:09PM -0500, Robert Edmonds wrote: > What

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS over TLS for zone transfers?

2017-01-17 Thread Robert Edmonds
Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > Maybe it was not clear from the original mail: when a different > mechanism (port and related protocol change) is being introduced for > encrypted traffic which current implementations cannot use without > changes to them, it would be good to consider revisiting the DNS me

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS over TLS for zone transfers?

2017-01-17 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
> On Jan 17, 2017, at 02:22, Shane Kerr wrote: > > Does this seem like something worth working on? I'd use it if it was available. Internally one can use any of many methods to add encryption (IPSec, stunnel, etc), but working with external parties it'd be very nice to have a standard method.

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS over TLS for zone transfers?

2017-01-17 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 06:53:44AM +0530, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 07:54:45AM -0800, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > > On a side note, because any encryption will require a change to the DNS > > > protocol (i.e., putting things into a crypto box which isn't backwards > > > compatib

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS over TLS for zone transfers?

2017-01-17 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 07:54:45AM -0800, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > On a side note, because any encryption will require a change to the DNS > > protocol (i.e., putting things into a crypto box which isn't backwards > > compatible) IMO it would be worthwhile to consider revisiting the DNS > > message

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS over TLS for zone transfers?

2017-01-17 Thread Robert Edmonds
Hi, Shane: Shane Kerr wrote: > I'm sorry if it has already been discussed, but has there been any work > done on using TLS for AXFR/IXFR? There was a mini-thread back in June 2016, but I think that was it: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dns-privacy/eNHQx5KT3MzqjFObqgDRswCpxi4 > It seems

[dns-privacy] Document Action: 'Specification for DNS over Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS)' to Experimental RFC (draft-ietf-dprive-dnsodtls-15.txt)

2017-01-17 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Specification for DNS over Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS)' (draft-ietf-dprive-dnsodtls-15.txt) as Experimental RFC This document is the product of the DNS PRIVate Exchange Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Suresh Krishnan and

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS over TLS for zone transfers?

2017-01-17 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 17 Jan 2017, at 2:47, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 06:22:29PM +0800, Shane Kerr wrote: Note also that it might be worthwhile building a new zone transfer protocol that can perform better in areas where AXFR and IXFR don't work well today (unnecessary data in IXFR of signed

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS over TLS for zone transfers?

2017-01-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20170117182229.73eff...@pallas.home.time-travellers.org>, Shane Kerr writes: > Hello, > > I'm sorry if it has already been discussed, but has there been any work > done on using TLS for AXFR/IXFR? > > It seems like it should be relatively straightforward, compared to the > stub-to-res

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS over TLS for zone transfers?

2017-01-17 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 06:22:29PM +0800, Shane Kerr wrote: > Note also that it might be worthwhile building a new zone transfer > protocol that can perform better in areas where AXFR and IXFR don't > work well today (unnecessary data in IXFR of signed zones, inefficiency > for synchronizing lots o

[dns-privacy] DNS over TLS for zone transfers?

2017-01-17 Thread Shane Kerr
Hello, I'm sorry if it has already been discussed, but has there been any work done on using TLS for AXFR/IXFR? It seems like it should be relatively straightforward, compared to the stub-to-resolver and resolver-to-authority links. While it does not seem as big of a problem either, obviously som