Re: [dns-privacy] [DNSOP] DNS over DTLS (DNSoD)

2014-04-25 Thread Tony Finch
Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy) tire...@cisco.com wrote: Any specific reason for the firewalls to permit TCP/53 other than for zone transfer ? RFC 5966 Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch d...@dotat.at http://dotat.at/ South Utsire, Northeast Forties: Easterly 4 or 5, increasing 6 or 7. Slight or

Re: [dns-privacy] [DNSOP] DNS over DTLS (DNSoD)

2014-04-25 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Ralf Weber d...@fl1ger.de wrote: Moin! On 25 Apr 2014, at 16:22, Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy) tire...@cisco.com wrote: Any specific reason for the firewalls to permit TCP/53 other than for zone transfer ? Wat? Because it is defined in the RFC. RFC1035 may

Re: [dns-privacy] [DNSOP] DNS over DTLS (DNSoD)

2014-04-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25 Apr 2014, at 11:14, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: The existing DNS works as far as the people running their firewalls are concerned. The failure of TCP fallback in practice has been an understood problem for 20+ years. Understood, perhaps; measured and understood, not so

Re: [dns-privacy] [DNSOP] DNS over DTLS (DNSoD)

2014-04-24 Thread Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy)
-Original Message- From: Paul Vixie [mailto:p...@redbarn.org] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:11 AM To: Dan Wing Cc: dn...@ietf.org; dns-privacy@ietf.org; Prashanth Patil (praspati); Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy) Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNS over DTLS (DNSoD) for reasons well-spoken

Re: [dns-privacy] [DNSOP] DNS over DTLS (DNSoD)

2014-04-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24 Apr 2014, at 10:53, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to use TLS with DNS then use port 443. One of the effects of firewalls is that we now only have three ports for all protocols: Port 80/UDP: Non SSL traffic Port 443/TCP: SSL traffic Port 53/UDP: DNS I

Re: [dns-privacy] [DNSOP] DNS over DTLS (DNSoD)

2014-04-24 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: On 24 Apr 2014, at 10:53, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to use TLS with DNS then use port 443. One of the effects of firewalls is that we now only have three ports for all protocols: Port

Re: [dns-privacy] [DNSOP] DNS over DTLS (DNSoD)

2014-04-24 Thread John Heidemann
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:32:12 -0400, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: ... For me the idea of putting TLS traffic over the same port as non TLS traffic without careful attention to how the upgrade is achieved would be 'butchering the protocol'. Changing the port number to one that is known to work is a