Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-27 Thread Simon Josefsson
Ilari Liusvaara ilari.liusva...@elisanet.fi writes: I'll update my position on WG adoption a bit: I support adopting DNS-over-TLS but urges the WG to adopt DNS-over-DTLS at the same time, and make consistency between them a requirement. Having both with different TLS-related security

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-27 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 05:15:32PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: Ilari Liusvaara ilari.liusva...@elisanet.fi writes: - Does DNS-over-DTLS need some sort of channel identifier in queries (taking place of the 5-tuple)? To deal with things like client IP address/portrange changes or

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-23 Thread Watson Ladd
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Watson Ladd watsonbl...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that DNSCurve is the best solution. ... which a: was not one of the options, b: is recursive to auth and c: has not been written up in a

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-23 Thread Warren Kumari
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Watson Ladd watsonbl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Watson Ladd watsonbl...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that DNSCurve is the best solution. ... which a: was not one of

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-23 Thread Simon Josefsson
I agree that DNSCurve is the best solution. I didn't say that. I believe DNSCurve and DNS-over-(D)TLS are somewhat different, and which is best depends on what you appreciate. DNS-over-(D)TLS is to me clearly the best answer for stub resolvers talking to an iterative resolver, which appears to

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-23 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Watson Ladd watsonbl...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that DNSCurve is the best solution. ... which a: was not one of the options, b: is recursive to auth and c: has not been written up in a draft and brought to the WG. Please see the threads from October 2014 on

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-23 Thread Tim Wicinski
On 4/23/15 7:11 AM, Ilari Liusvaara wrote: Also, it occurs to me that if there is NAT with non-sticky behaviour with UDP DNS (UDP DNS might very well be special-cased), things are not going to work at all without channel identifier (because the ports change constantly). Dunno if such

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-23 Thread Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy)
-Original Message- From: Ilari Liusvaara [mailto:ilari.liusva...@elisanet.fi] Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:41 PM To: Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy) Cc: Simon Josefsson; Watson Ladd; dns-privacy@ietf.org; Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-22 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 09:08:44AM -0400, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote a message of 35 lines which said: 3) TLS for DNS: Initiation and Performance Considerations: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hzhwm-dprive-start-tls-for-dns/ I think it should be adopted because: * It

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-22 Thread Tom Pusateri
I didn’t mention this before but since you ask… I wrote a DNS server from scratch as a DNS Hybrid Proxy (DNS-SD). It was UDP only. I wanted to add TLS support so I first added TCP on the Thursday of IETF in about 7 hours (no meetings I was interested in). Then I added TLS support on top of TCP

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-22 Thread Watson Ladd
I agree that DNSCurve is the best solution. Many of the proponents of TLS based solution haven't adequately considered how this affects anycast, DOS resistance, etc. Confidential-DNS can only be fixed by essentially becoming DNSCurve. It's clear that deployed, working solutions need to be

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-21 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
There are two sets of issues: 1) Discovery 2) Presentation I suggest dividing the drafts into two parts and considering these separately. DNS currently has two transports. The idea that all uses can be addressed over TCP is currently unproven as far as the majority of the stakeholders whose

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-21 Thread Warren Kumari
[ Top-post ] A reminder to please send over views. We'd really really like a bunch more feedback - we have had many discussions, and I *know* folk have views -- please express them! W On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: Hi all, So, the big day has finally

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-21 Thread Tom Pusateri
On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: Hi all, So, the big day has finally arrived -- we are initiating calls for adoption on the three documents. http://i.imgur.com/SKX3P8J.gif For *each* of the below documents, please **clearly** state if you would

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-20 Thread Ralf Weber
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 07:38:18AM -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote: [BJust to clarify: draft-hzhwm-dprive-start-tls-for-dns does not propose to switch 100% of DNS to TCP. It only proposes switching the traffic between stubs and recursives that agree to the new TCP-based protocol. Even that at

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-20 Thread 神明達哉
At Wed, 15 Apr 2015 09:08:44 -0400, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: For *each* of the below documents, please **clearly** state if you would like DPRIVE to adopt it, or if you think that it will be a distraction / not helpful. 1) Confidential DNS:

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-19 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Apr 19, 2015, at 5:19 AM, Ralf Weber d...@fl1ger.de wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 03:48:59PM -0700, manning wrote: exercising line item veto… I think #3 is ready to proceed. The other two suggest fundamental changes to the DNS which need more thought. I disagree. Switching DNS

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

2015-04-17 Thread manning
exercising line item veto… I think #3 is ready to proceed. The other two suggest fundamental changes to the DNS which need more thought. manning bmann...@karoshi.com PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102 On 15April2015Wednesday, at 6:08, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net